what constitutes a banning offense in the c.e. forum?

Dr. Dwayne said:
I was watching CNN last night. One of the things said was that killers choose schools becasue they are often declared gun free zones, ie, no guns allowed.

They go to schools and kill because they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them.
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yeah. add a gun holster to school uniforms, problem solved
 
MThomas said:
Gun laws is just a part of the problem.
The health care situation is a part of the problem as well, the shooter was at a mental institution in 2005 and several students were concerned about his state of mind.

Not to mention the "violence solves violence" mentality that some in here are big fans of
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How is that the fault of the US healthcare system?

The problem is the daft psychiatrists certified him ok, and there was nothing else anyone could do.
 
They had some Yank on some breakfast show, she was dead defensive of her fat, gun-wielding countryman

"In fairness to Americans, we wouldn't have a debate as to whether a prince should marry a middle class girl" She pointed out

A relatively fair point, such discussion would be daft if we really invested any time debating it......not quite as daft as shooting the living feck out of your classmates mind

The stupid bitch, I hope someone shoots her
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
it is scary logic, but the fact remains that one incident was stopped becasue two students went to their cars, retrieved their guns and drew down the shooter (I think that means with two guns pointed at him, he gave up) I can't remember the particulars but it was well documented.
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Link ?


American nutjob that thinks more violence stops violence said:
The generalization about whack-job students doesn't always apply. there was a shooting at an Amish School last year perpetrated by a 30 something, he killed little kids and then himself.*
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He wasnt mentally stable....

American nutjob that thinks more violence stops violence said:
not everyone should own a gun, but if you do, you should at least spend some money and learn to use it properly, that includes when to use deadly force.
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You should be forced to learn how to use a gun in order to be allowed to purchase a weapon....
 
Davo said:
In fairness, hearing so many Yanks bang on about their "gunrights", it's hard not to be flippant when this sort of thing happens.....which it seems to do on a pretty regular basis
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How do you remove hundreds of thousands of weapons from a country overnight?

Even if there was a complete ban, it would take decades to see any appreciable effect. We're not an island either. They can be smuggled in at will.
 
Davo said:
They had some Yank on some breakfast show, she was dead defensive of her fat, gun-wielding countryman

"In fairness to Americans, we wouldn't have a debate as to whether a prince should marry a middle class girl" She pointed out

A relatively fair point, such discussion would be daft if we really invested any time debating it......not quite as daft as shooting the living feck out of your classmates mind

The stupid bitch, I hope someone shoots her
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You're a very pathetic person really.
 
jasonrh said:
How do you remove hundreds of thousands of weapons from a country overnight?

Even if there was a complete ban, it would take decades to see any appreciable effect. We're not an island either. They can be smuggled in at will.
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Don't know

Point being so many of you gimps seem to think that one of your most important rights is to own a gun

I predict events like this will keep happening...
 
Thomas, you scum of a human...

Whenever you bring up gun bans to the gun nuts they throw a very well rehearsed argument back in your face: You want only criminals to have guns??

It's a tough argument to break down because in many ways it makes sense. You're not going to change anyone's mind with your dimwitted drivel. The gun nuts will laugh at you and say you have no right to take their guns, which as loyal taxpaying citizens they use to defend their lives and property. The sensible anti-gunners will call you a fecking twat for saying things like "the more Americans kill Americans, the better." Either way, you're a fecking moron with no argument, just drivel. Go sit down in your most likely shitty apartment or whatever and stfu, thanks.
 
MThomas said:
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He wasnt mentally stable....



You should be forced to learn how to use a gun in order to be allowed to purchase a weapon....
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The story of the students subduing an attempted gunman is true.

And if he had stayed in SK, then nutface would have been trained to use a weapon as a part of his compulsory military service.

What kind of savage backwards nation teaches every man in their country how to kill? Sick depraved fat Americans? No.
 
jasonrh said:
How is that the fault of the US healthcare system?

The problem is the daft psychiatrists certified him ok, and there was nothing else anyone could do.
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He's a part of the healthcare system, isn't he ?

What was the reasons for saying he was ok, was it because they were lacking funds etc etc, could be plenty of reasons.

Norway has had issues with this due to bureaucry stopping them from doing their job.
 
rrarraroon said:
Thomas, you scum of a human...

Whenever you bring up gun bans to the gun nuts they throw a very well rehearsed argument back in your face: You want only criminals to have guns??

It's a tough argument to break down because in many ways it makes sense. You're not going to change anyone's mind with your dimwitted drivel. The gun nuts will laugh at you and say you have no right to take their guns, which as loyal taxpaying citizens they use to defend their lives and property. The sensible anti-gunners will call you a fecking twat for saying things like "the more Americans kill Americans, the better." Either way, you're a fecking moron with no argument, just drivel. Go sit down in your most likely shitty apartment or whatever and stfu, thanks.
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Calm down.

Thomas specifically is pontificating in order to get reactions like this. He gets off on it.
 
jasonrh said:
How do you remove hundreds of thousands of weapons from a country overnight?

Even if there was a complete ban, it would take decades to see any appreciable effect. We're not an island either. They can be smuggled in at will.
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So what you are saying is "There's no point in trying to change the situation as the result of the changes won't be seen for another decade"
 
MThomas said:
He's a part of the healthcare system, isn't he ?

What was the reasons for saying he was ok, was it because they were lacking funds etc etc, could be plenty of reasons.

Norway has had issues with this due to bureaucry stopping them from doing their job.
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In summary, you have no idea what you're talking about.

He was certified OK not because the Evil Americans Don't Have Socialised Medicine.

He was certified OK because the doctors mistakenly bought his representations that he was OK.
 
Davo said:
Oh no

Gun-nuts laughing at you.....that's quite the body blow
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They are the ones you must convince of the idiocy, having them laugh at you really defeats the point of arguing in the first place. If you want to lobby against guns, you must do it in a way that gets to the people who's mind you are trying to change.
 
You just cant get away from the fact that incidents like this has been happening for ages in America. Is it because of the gun laws, is it because of the nutjobs, blablabla, i really dont know.

What i do know is that if you dont make any changes, it will continue to happen.

The more weapons you introduce, the more shootings there will be.
 
Davo said:
Just as a reminder to anyone who doesn't know

You don't leave the house, look like a bear's arse, collect barbie dolls and are a fat American

Good point mind
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Do you actually show such casual bigotry and hatred towards women in your life as you do when you're Big Upping it on the internet?

Every woman is a "bitch" or a "fat cow" or something of the like.

Take a look at yourself, honestly.
 
rrarraroon said:
They are the ones you must convince of the idiocy, having them laugh at you really defeats the point of arguing in the first place. If you want to lobby against guns, you must do it in a way that gets to the people who's mind you are trying to change.
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I can't think of a group of people whose opinions I care less about than Yank gun-nuts....and I hardly care about anyone's opinion

I don't think you can convince such spastics of anything that deprives them of their right to guns. I'm not trying to offer solutions, merely pointing out that events like this are no longer surprising or shocking...and that I can understand a flippant attitude towards them
 
jasonrh said:
Do you actually show such casual bigotry and hatred towards women in your life as you do when you're Big Upping it on the internet?

Every woman is a "bitch" or a "fat cow" or something of the like.

Take a look at yourself, honestly.
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What are you on about you dwarf-faced gimp?

The suggestion that I hate women is bizarre and random, I judge them on their own merits, or lack of

And on this basis, I hope the stupid Yank cow who was on the box is shot soon...

I wouldn't bother taking a look at yourself....
 
MThomas said:
So what you are saying is "There's no point in trying to change the situation as the result of the changes won't be seen for another decade"
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No, I'm saying Davo won't see the situation change in his lifetime even if all weapons were illegalised tomorrow.
 
jasonrh said:
In summary, you have no idea what you're talking about.

He was certified OK not because the Evil Americans Don't Have Socialised Medicine.

He was certified OK because the doctors mistakenly bought his representations that he was OK.
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If he gets through the system because he managed to fool the headshrink, then there's an obvious flaw in the healthcare system.

Even a country like Norway, best country in the world to live in, has problems with the healthcare system
 
Davo said:
What are you on about you dwarf-faced gimp?

The suggestion that I hate women is bizarre and random, I judge them on their own merits, or lack of

And on this basis, I hope the stupid Yank cow who was on the box is shot soon...

I wouldn't bother taking a look at yourself....
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You're always saying hateful and bigoted things about women.

It just struck me above that it might not just be you trying to be 'Ard on the internet, but might actually be the way your brain works.

Which is truly frightening.
 
jasonrh said:
You're always saying hateful and bigoted things about women.

It just struck me above that it might not just be you trying to be 'Ard on the internet, but might actually be the way your brain works.

Which is truly frightening.
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I'm sure I say hateful things about blokes an all, I've got little time for fools regardless of sex

This frightens you apparantly
 
Doesn't really help when the black market is so rife with weapons

The trouble with passing laws banning handguns is that the average Joe's will give them up, but criminals will still get them illegally

It's not enough just to ban the sale of assault weapons/handguns
 
It's a bit like the constant bombings in Iraq.....sad and all that, but when it happens so often it's hard to let it get you down

Mind you, that's the feckin Yanks' fault an all...

Fat tossers
 
MThomas said:
If he gets through the system because he managed to fool the headshrink, then there's an obvious flaw in the healthcare system.

Even a country like Norway, best country in the world to live in, has problems with the healthcare system
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It isn't the system, it is the person.

I know you're just on the WUM, but don't be silly beyond what you have to be.
 
MThomas said:
Surely a step towards a solution is better than not bothering because it will take long to see the changes ?
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First, your worthless mind has to compose an argument that gets through to the gun nuts. Good luck since many smarter men than you haven't been able to do this. Democrats won't even campaign on gun control anymore because it hurts them in swing states.
 
jasonrh said:
It isn't the system, it is the person.

I know you're just on the WUM, but don't be silly beyond what you have to be.
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Ofcourse its the system.

You'd be pretty daft to think otherwise.

If a person that clearly belongs in a mental institution, manages to get through the system by fooling one person, then something is wrong with the healthcare system as well.
 
MThomas said:
You didnt exactly agree, you just made a daft Davo joke
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It wasn't a joke. It was a serious point.

He was talking about being smug because this happens over and over again, and he'll continue to be able to be smug because it will happen again presumably because of our gun laws.

Even if guns were illegalised tomorrow, he would still be able to be smug about US gun deaths for the rest of his life - because it would take decades to see a difference.

That's not a joke, it is the truth.
 
jasonrh said:
It wasn't a joke. It was a serious point.

He was talking about being smug because this happens over and over again, and he'll continue to be able to be smug because it will happen again presumably because of our gun laws.

Even if guns were illegalised tomorrow, he would still be able to be smug about US gun deaths for the rest of his life - because it would take decades to see a difference.

That's not a joke, it is the truth.
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Hardly being smug, merely an explanation of the viewpoint shared by many - that whilst events like this are obviously a tradegy, they're no surprise......and will be followed by further spastic comments from gun-loving cretins who will bang on about their "rights"

If some sort of action was taken against guns, I'd see it as a step forward. Whether it would have some short term impact is debatable....
 
Frosty said:
Doesn't really help when the black market is so rife with weapons

The trouble with passing laws banning handguns is that the average Joe's will give them up, but criminals will still get them illegally

It's not enough just to ban the sale of assault weapons/handguns
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Criminals have weapons here in Norway as well.
Yet we dont have big issues with it.
 
MThomas said:
Ofcourse its the system.

You'd be pretty daft to think otherwise.

If a person that clearly belongs in a mental institution, manages to get through the system by fooling one person, then something is wrong with the healthcare system as well.
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You're not making any sense.

If an individual mistake makes a system flawed, the every system for doing everything everywhere in the history of planet earth is irreparably flawed.

How many different screens does someone in Norway go through if they threaten to commit suicide and stalk someone?

Do you know? Of course you don't. You're just having an anti-American WUM.
 
MThomas said:
Criminals have weapons here in Norway as well.
Yet we dont have big issues with it.
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Different country, different culture, different attitude towards guns

I would like to see strict gun controls everywhere, but its not going to happen

Anyway, the US isn't the only place where illegal weapons are rife - look at Brazil
 
jasonrh said:
You're not making any sense.

If an individual mistake makes a system flawed, the every system for doing everything everywhere in the history of planet earth is irreparably flawed.

How many different screens does someone in Norway go through if they threaten to commit suicide and stalk someone?

Do you know? Of course you don't. You're just having an anti-American WUM.
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As i have been trying to point out for some time, a shrink can't do whatever he wants, bureaucry often gets in the way. In Norway, you cant get admitted into a mental institution against your will unless you pass an insane amount of tests. There has been several crimes involving people they had attempted to have admitted. I'm not blaming the headshrinks that "weren't" convinced that the people belonged in a mental instutiont, i choose to blame the healthcare system that made the rules that makes it so hard to get someone admitted into a mental institution against their will.

Just as the healthcare system in the US is to blame if its to easy to pass their tests.
 
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