what constitutes a banning offense in the c.e. forum?

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MThomas said:
It's the average Americans way of thinking, violence can only be solved by more violence.

But by all means, let the Americans kill each other, the sooner the better
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MThomas said:
It's only fair that every American carries a weapon.
That way, they can kill each other and make the world a safer place.
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as if starting a thread with a reprehensible title in the wake of a tragedy weren't enough, now mthomas has called for americans to be murdered.

twice.

i'm not asking for him to be banned. i'm just wondering what someone has to say to be banned as people have clearly gotten it for much less. can one of the mods give me clarification on this? i'd just like to know where the line is and which nationalities it's okay to rejoice in their murder.

it seems especially troubling after the whole vic "blood thirsty americans" thread, who also was not banned and actually had his bigotry and anti-semitism covered up for him when the thread was deleted.
 
The problem with the CE forum is trying to seperate nasty bigotry from ignorance and stupidity. They're more or less the same thing.

I just wonder whether it's better to ban someone, or let them have their say. Even if it is blatant and possibly offensive, a banning is less likely to change a persons views, than an argument in which they have to back up their point of view.

On the other hand, MThomas is also an admirer of Hitler
 
Free speech is free speech, either you have it or you don't. IMO, anyone is free to say what they like. We can agree or disagree and respond in any manner that's required, it's up to us, ourselves, and nobody else. The second you interfere with this, you're going down a very dangerous road. Govts. will choose to restrict free speech and opinions but, then, they're after votes.
 
i agree with you, noodle. i generally don't advocate banning anyone in the c.e. forum, even the most ignorant. i've never asked for anyone to get banned, ever.

but the fact is, people have been banned for much less than what mthomas has done in this thread, so i would like to know why some of those other posters were banned but mthomas (despite being warned by a mod earlier in this very thread), is allowed to rejoice in, even advocate, the mass murder of a nationality.

is it because he said it about americans and this is allowed? similar comments made of other nationalities have gotten posters banned. if so, that is something i would like be made aware of.
 
fjred said:
Free speech is free speech, either you have it or you don't. IMO, anyone is free to say what they like. We can agree or disagree and respond in any manner that's required, it's up to us, ourselves, and nobody else. The second you interfere with this, you're going down a very dangerous road. Govts. will choose to restrict free speech and opinions but, then, they're after votes.
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I think that is complete bollocks. I am not a yank but imagine if a similar thing was posted after 7/7, they would surely be banned for that?

Noods, IMO, ignorance and stupidity is not an excuse for these ridiculous statements. He is either an attention seeker who spouts shite on an internet forum to gain popularity with the other Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime or has a very dangerous view on life......

Tosser either way...
 
Kevrockcity said:
i agree with you, noodle. i generally don't advocate banning anyone in the c.e. forum, even the most ignorant. i've never asked for anyone to get banned, ever.

but the fact is, people have been banned for much less than what mthomas has done in this thread, so i would like to know why some of those other posters were banned but mthomas (despite being warned by a mod earlier in this very thread), is allowed to rejoice in, even advocate, the mass murder of a nationality.

is it because he said it about americans and this is allowed? similar comments made of other nationalities have gotten posters banned. if so, that is something i would like be made aware of.
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Can't really answer that, as I mostly stay clear of the CE forum

There was one lad who got banned for being very anti-Muslim and quite provocative, but that was only after he kept at it repeatedly for several months.

Any others I can't say I'm fully aware of
 
fjred said:
Free speech is free speech, either you have it or you don't. IMO, anyone is free to say what they like. We can agree or disagree and respond in any manner that's required, it's up to us, ourselves, and nobody else. The second you interfere with this, you're going down a very dangerous road. Govts. will choose to restrict free speech and opinions but, then, they're after votes.
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This is not a free speech issue. Everyone is entitled to free speech. Although don't forget the members on this site are guests. It is up to the powers to be that run this site to make that call about banning members. I agree with Noodles that these types of topics just shows certain members objectives or ignorant views. I find it silly to converse with someone who cannot form a reasonable point of view or start a serious thread with such disregard in the title.
 
It's only fair that every American carries a weapon.
That way, they can kill each other and make the world a safer place.
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Thats 2 sentences explaining everything thats wrong with USA. Brilliant I say.
 
You can also take comfort in the fact that Thomas has been wrong about every single thing he's said, ever
 
Kevrockcity said:
i agree with you, noodle. i generally don't advocate banning anyone in the c.e. forum, even the most ignorant. i've never asked for anyone to get banned, ever.

but the fact is, people have been banned for much less than what mthomas has done in this thread, so i would like to know why some of those other posters were banned but mthomas (despite being warned by a mod earlier in this very thread), is allowed to rejoice in, even advocate, the mass murder of a nationality.

is it because he said it about americans and this is allowed? similar comments made of other nationalities have gotten posters banned. if so, that is something i would like be made aware of.
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As I said in the thread:

Ignorance and madness should be outed and not hidden away. It's kind of what led to this awful event in the first place.

It's true what you say though, but that's a symptom of our country at the moment. Anything against the asians/blacks/muslims/etc... is racist, while anything else goes. It's wrong, it's clearly stupid, but at the same time it's a hard line to draw. If you take offence to something, especially on an internet forum, engage in debate.
 
When The Clash went to America, they were doing a press conference, and some sarcy cnut asked, "What does 'sell-out' mean to you?"

Mick Jones, ever the wit, sort of, goes, "Well, when you have a certain number of tickets on sale, and they all get bought, that constitutes a sell-out"

hehe
 
You have to balance between free speech and and racism, homophobism etc

In general I think the Caff and Mods have the balance about right - some time back - there were some really unpleasant topics brought up by certain posters. God and the Mods introduced new rules which have remarkably been adhered to by most posters and made the Caff - IMO - a far pleasanter place to visit

Thanks to all the Mods er and God for this
 
Last time I looked, MThomas wasn't actively seeking any sort of genocide. Correct me if i'm wrong though.
 
MThomas is deliberately being provocative, he's not engaging in serious debate...

I have excluded him from the CE forum, until such time he is ready to engage in serious debate.

Sorry M Thomas.
 
I bet if the tables were reversed and English people were insulted in the wake of a shooting spree in England, the offender would be banned in a heartbeat. What bothers me is not what the fool is saying, but when and where he is saying his foolishness. There are certain times/threads when saying certain things is morally and humanly wrong. You don't tell someone who's dog just died how happy you are that 15,000 dogs are going to be poisoned in Athens ahead of the Olympics, even if otherwise that opinion would be easily tolerated under the cloak of free speech. Just my opinion of course.
 
I think Kevrockcity touches an interesting point here. Though a lot of negative things can be said about the country, it`s not really fair that people are let go when going over the line towards USA. The rules have to be equal for all, whether you`re having a go at Muslims, Jews, Americans or Germans. Anything else is unfair. Good call from Sultan here.
 
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Making fun of retarded people is so super cool. I have also never seen that picture before, is it something you created on your pictureshop?
 
MThomas said:
Yes, i like it very much so.

I didn't try to be tactful.

For some reason America has a problem with school shootings, other countries with more guns per person doesn't seem to have that problem.
They just don't like the truth
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I was watching CNN last night. One of the things said was that killers choose schools becasue they are often declared gun free zones, ie, no guns allowed.

They go to schools and kill because they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I was watching CNN last night. One of the things said was that killers choose schools becasue they are often declared gun free zones, ie, no guns allowed.

They go to schools and kill because they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them.
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Most of the school shootings have been because they are students at that school and lost the plot.

That some find the thought of "supplying students with weapons to stop future shootings" logic, is quite scary.
 
I think you're just trying to bait people into argument's - not debating MT.

Quite a few posters have suggested gun laws are the problem (including myself) in a perfectly reasonalble manner.
 
MThomas said:
Most of the school shootings have been because they are students at that school and lost the plot.

That some find the thought of "supplying students with weapons to stop future shootings" logic, is quite scary.
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it is scary logic, but the fact remains that one incident was stopped becasue two students went to their cars, retrieved their guns and drew down the shooter (I think that means with two guns pointed at him, he gave up) I can't remember the particulars but it was well documented.

The generalization about whack-job students doesn't always apply. there was a shooting at an Amish School last year perpetrated by a 30 something, he killed little kids and then himself.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5400570.stm

not everyone should own a gun, but if you do, you should at least spend some money and learn to use it properly, that includes when to use deadly force.
 
Sultan said:
I think you're just trying to bait people into argument's - not debating MT.

Quite a few posters have suggested gun laws are the problem (including myself) in a perfectly reasonalble manner.
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Gun laws is just a part of the problem.
The health care situation is a part of the problem as well, the shooter was at a mental institution in 2005 and several students were concerned about his state of mind.

Not to mention the "violence solves violence" mentality that some in here are big fans of
 
In fairness, hearing so many Yanks bang on about their "gunrights", it's hard not to be flippant when this sort of thing happens.....which it seems to do on a pretty regular basis
 
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