What CDM?

This work?

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Fabinho-Bailly-Smalling-Shaw
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Mk----Rooney/Herrera---Martial
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Matic and Pogba (or Gomes/Ramsey)

Sell Herrera and Schweinsteiger to make room. Imagine these midfield threes...

Matic
Schneiderlin - Pogba

Matic
Pogba - Gomes

Matic
Schneiderlin - Ramsey

We would be sorted for years. Matic is a must buy for me. I think Morgan is better in a B2B role as opposed to a holding midfielder everyone seems to think he is.

Either way, with Mourinho intact, we have the best chance of signing these players if they become available.
 
jesperjaap said:
Kante has been very impressive at Leicester and so far during the Euros.....one season though, bit much to already call him a superior version of Makele, who was excellent at Celta Vigo as a box to box midfielder (offensively as well as defensively), brilliant as an all rounder at Madrid......Galatico mistake to sell him and finally generally a faultless anchor man at Chelsea. He only really got the credit he deserved when at Chelsea.

I have been really impressed with Kante this year, impossible not to be, but to call him a superior version of one of the best defensive central midfielders of a generation, lets at least wait a couple more years. Agree with another poster comparing TFM to a possible Essien type midfielder in the making. Mensah Kante Rooney for a £20m outlay is a far better midfield than what we had most of last season, especially in a 4-2-3-1 you could still have Schneiderlin, Carrick and even Blind as other options for the two holding roles then Schweinsteiger, Perreira, Herrera for the Rooney role and that isnt even mentioning Fellaini who I just dont want to see in our shirt to be blunt. SO we have the numbers, personally I would like to see 2 or 3 of our current midfielders moved on and TWO central midfielders bought in. Same problem as most of our areas within the squad at the moment, no problem numbers wise but quality wise we have a few either past there best, not good enough or have failed to deliver, and you cant fully blame LVG for many of the poor performers in my opinion either as I cant think of one player that was poor last year I am super confident is going to thrive under Mourinho, I still expect it to be the same faces, a couple of the youngsters like Mensah progressing, Shaw of course hopefully getting back to last years early promise and a couple of new signings doing really well.

Of the current line up I would guess at Mensah and (if he stays fit for more than 3 weeks) Jones actually being the surprise big players not expected to be this year. I just hope we get back to being an entertaining side playing positive high tempo football though as it really has been painful to watch us for a whiole now, even Fergies last year, champions or not, the quality of football was very very poor in comparison to virtually all of the years before it under him.
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He is the most elegant tackler I've ever seen and commits very, very few fouls. Makele could not do what he does. They're short and black and are quite fit but Kante can read the game better than anyone else in the league. It's not that he runs that much more than the rest, it's also that his positioning is on a completely different level.

I can only compare him to the Chelsea Makelele to be fair. I did not watch him before then.
 
Harry190 said:
He is the most elegant tackler I've ever seen and commits very, very few fouls. Makele could not do what he does. They're short and black and are quite fit but Kante can read the game better than anyone else in the league. It's not that he runs that much more than the rest, it's also that his positioning is on a completely different level.

I can only compare him to the Chelsea Makelele to be fair. I did not watch him before then.
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Well to even compare him and have that judgement even of the Chelsea Makelele shows just how good he was for Leicester last year. I just personally dont like comparisons after one year to players that have performed at the top for a career. I know Kante is 25 or something like that but most of us probably had never heard of him til last year.
I have been lucky in my lifetime to see the likes of Robson, Ince and Keane playing in central midfield and I have admired players also like Edgar Davids and Viera. Makele is just behind that level of player for me, but not far behind. Kante has been very impressive for Leicester but personally speaking he needs to prove himself over several years to be mentioned in the same breath as any of those players, though I will agree with you on how good he has been as I wouldnt mind him trying to do that over the next few years with us.
 
Freak said:
We don't need a CDM. We already have Schneiderlin, Fosu Mensah, Bastian and Carrick for that role. If we do get one though, I hope it's Kante.
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or this one, Grzegorz Krychowiak.

Rumours is 20 mil for Schneiderlin from Everton. Kante or Krychowiak will cost few more millions.
 
NoLogo said:
I have to say I'm pretty much sold on this guy. Was a bit skeptical at first but even now at the Euro's where he has to play a very defensive role he fully convinced me.

Our midfield isn't exactly Barcelona's so I don't see a reason why we shouldn't add to the setup we already have especially because a lot of them really underperformed or simply don't have the ability or athleticism we need. Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Feallaini and Carrick are all players I have severe doubts about them having the needed quality to bring us forward. So we certainly wouldn't be worse off if we added someone like Kanté to our midfield.

Apart from him we still need a good director of the game, someone like Kroos. Actually that would be my dream pairing in the central midfield area, Kanté and Kroos. Add the pace and defensive power of Kanté to Kroos passing and game controlling ability and you imo have a perfect partnership. Of course Kroos only becomes a possibility if Real is going to buy Pogba.
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Completely agree with this. Ship off Schneiderlin, Herrera, Schweinsteiger and Fellaini then buy those two and promote TFM to play as back up. Kroos - Kante will immediately become one of the best if not the best midfield pairing in the league.
 
I keep forgetting Basti but think he could have a good season next year
 
Kante is the best option but would rather play TFM there otherwise we are just going to buy all the time and not develop youngsters who are quite talented and need chances
 
My first choices are still Kante, Danilo Pereira, Krychowiak, William Carvalho, Matic, Dier. I'd even have Gonalons at a push. Corentin Tolisso would have been a fantastic addition to for the future too but it looks like he's already got a transfer sorted.

I do think we absolutely need a player like those mentioned above, as Carrick and BFS are more about controlling tempo and retaining possession, and Schneiderlin is completely out of sorts to the point where perhaps we shouldn't be relying on him - plus I feel he works better with one of the above type of players beside him, similar to how how he played alongside Wanyama at Southampton.
 
Martial - Ibrahimovic - Mkhitaryan
Rooney - Pogba?
Krychowiak
Shaw - Bailly - Smalling - Valencia
De Gea
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Martial - Ibrahimovic - Mahrez
Rooney - James
Krychowiak/Kante/Matic
Shaw - Bailly - Smalling - Darmian
De Gea

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I'll be happy with that.

Shipped off - Schneiderlin to Everton, Fellaini, Young, Rojo and unfortunately Mata.
 
id love to see TFM played in the CDM role. I think him learning his trade from Carrick would be invaluable. He is still young and raw however i think he could shape up to be a complete CDM. With Kante and Isco ahead of him in a midfield 3
 
Bruno8 said:
Kante is the best option but would rather play TFM there otherwise we are just going to buy all the time and not develop youngsters who are quite talented and need chances
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True, but we are currently trying to become a force again after a pretty miserable few seasons. Sometimes you do need to buy a top quality player to improve the team enough to make that step up. TFM may be great, i haven't seen much more than his few appearances last year tbh, but are we really expecting him to come straight in and make us a better, more effective team, almost straight away? It's too much of a stretch for me to hope TFM could provide the type of stability, consistency and assurance that Kante would bring. Consistency and reliability is what we need, and most inexperienced players tend to lack both while learning their trade.

Saying that, would we not be able to play them play both at times, if Jose's adopts his often favored 4-2-3-1 system?
 
I think this position is not a priority this summer, I prefer a creative midfielder. When Carrick and Bastian leave the club, then I would buy a CDM. For now we potentially have:

LW - ST - RW
CM - CM
Carrick/Schweinsteiger/Blind/Schneiderlin/Fosu-Mensah​
 
TehRed said:
My first choices are still Kante, Danilo Pereira, Krychowiak, William Carvalho, Matic, Dier. I'd even have Gonalons at a push. Corentin Tolisso would have been a fantastic addition to for the future too but it looks like he's already got a transfer sorted.

I do think we absolutely need a player like those mentioned above, as Carrick and BFS are more about controlling tempo and retaining possession, and Schneiderlin is completely out of sorts to the point where perhaps we shouldn't be relying on him - plus I feel he works better with one of the above type of players beside him, similar to how how he played alongside Wanyama at Southampton.
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William Carvalho? Did you see him up against Croatia's mobile midfield? The guy is totally immobile. There's a reason why he's still at sporting....
 
Abdou0230 said:
Kante, just throw a lot of money at him and ship off Schneiderlin.
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Then if Kante is shite next season get the next defensive mid who had a good season in the league and then when he goes shite do the same again and again.
 
Kante and Schneiderlin are ball winners, they are at their best when they can hunt for it and get around the pitch, it's a different role to what we need added IMO. If Rooney is going to be in midfield with either Mklhitaryan, Pogba or James just ahead then a proper disciplined holding midfielder that screens the back 4 and feeds it into midfield is required as Carrick is the only proper one we have.
 
Would really like Krychowiak. He is a complete DM. He has the work rate, tackling ability for the role and he is also good on the ball with surprising range for a hard working DM. I believe the release clause is 45 million euros which is reasonable. Unfortunately it seems that PSG will sign him soon but if there is a chance for us, we should go for him.
 
Abdou0230 said:
Pretty much how football works, yeah.
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It's definitely not how football works. You don't buy one of the best centre mids in the league and then sack him off because he didn't do well under a lunatic of a manager.
Kante would be a good signing but selling Schneiderlin would be utterly pointless.
 
Dec9003 said:
It's definitely not how football works. You don't buy one of the best centre mids in the league and then sack him off because he didn't do well under a lunatic of a manager.
Kante would be a good signing but selling Schneiderlin would be utterly pointless.
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Yes, it is how football work, I don't know what do you think the "Transfere Market" is for, it's for when there is a player available that is better than the one you have. In this case, Morgan had a bad season, Kante is better and cheap, you only need one player for that position, it's a no brainer really.
 
Abdou0230 said:
Yes, it is how football work, I don't know what do you think the "Transfere Market" is for, it's for when there is a player available that is better than the one you have. In this case, Morgan had a bad season, Kante is better and cheap, you only need one player for that position, it's a no brainer really.
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you only need one holding midfielder? Are you Van Gaal?
 
Dec9003 said:
you only need one holding midfielder? Are you Van Gaal?
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What kind of playstyle you think we should be playing with more than one holding midfielder in it? Plus we already have Carrick and Blind for when the main player is unavailable.
 
Abdou0230 said:
What kind of playstyle you think we should be playing with more than one holding midfielder in it? Plus we already have Carrick and Blind for when the main player is unavailable.
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If we go into next season with our holding midfield options as Kante, Carrick and Blind we will be looking for a holding midfielder next summer.
 
Abdou0230 said:
Yes, it is how football work, I don't know what do you think the "Transfere Market" is for, it's for when there is a player available that is better than the one you have. In this case, Morgan had a bad season, Kante is better and cheap, you only need one player for that position, it's a no brainer really.
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This. We can't bring in a load of good, sometimes great players but keep all the current squad. Some fans seem to think the wage bill here is infinite.
 
ehsanul said:
We need a creater like Kroos or Pogba rather then a destroyer.
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Totally agree. We have Carrick, Schweinsteiger, Blind, Schneiderlin and Fosu-Mensah able to play as CDM. We have other priorities this summer, maybe next year if Carrick and Schweinsteiger don't continue in the club we could buy a new defensive midfielder. BUT if Kante is available for 20m (release clause), he would be a good signing.
 
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