What about Martial's past, future or present makes people suddenly trust him?

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I really don't understand this.

The guy didn't get a single goal for Sevilla and was hardly integral to their team.

He has had one season with 23 goals preceded by a 12 goal season and succeed by seven.

He is injury prone. Predictable movements. Weak mentality player.

I realize the Ronaldo drama leaves us with nothing upfront but at his 7th year at Manchester United, why do I suddenly see people naming him in their starting squads and ideal 11?

Not only that, how are people turning their nose up at the idea of Depay? He's no world beater but look at what we have
 
Because our fanbase looks at one moment of quality and think in their heads the said player can replicate it consistently

We simply need a new striker if we are moving on from Ronaldo, neither Martial nor Rashford are good enough nor fit enough for the purpose
 
I wouldn't say I trust him exactly but what other choice do we have? A sulking Ronaldo? Rashford ffs?
I sincerely hope we buy another striker but it seems increasingly unlikely. If that's the case I'll go with Martial as the least worst option.
 
Pure hopium. Any other club would've given up on him years ago.
 
For me it's because I never doubted his abilities. He has clear strengths to make it as a striker/wide forward - something I wouldn't say about Rashford.
I think the problem with Martial is attitude, confidence, discipline or whatever.
Also, I hope ETH can get the best of him because, well, he's the last hope I have for having a decent striker for the season (as I don't believe we can get rid of Ronaldo, and in that case we're definitely not adding another big money striker at this point).
 
A not-totally-shit pre season, combined with the fact he seems to mope about less if he’s the main man. That’s basically it. None of that matters if he’s still injury prone though.
 
shamans said:
I really don't understand this.

The guy didn't get a single goal for Sevilla and was hardly integral to their team.

He has had one season with 23 goals preceded by a 12 goal season and succeed by seven.

He is injury prone. Predictable movements. Weak mentality player.

I realize the Ronaldo drama leaves us with nothing upfront but at his 7th year at Manchester United, why do I suddenly see people naming him in their starting squads and ideal 11?

Not only that, how are people turning their nose up at the idea of Depay? He's no world beater but look at what we have
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I am genuinely baffled. The revisionism on him is a sight to behold. I can only assume it’s because he’s not English
 
He's the best CF we currently have, which isnt saying a great deal but it is what it is. Another striker is a must to replace Ronaldo. I'm content with it being a cheap option like Depay and giving Martial a good run, because I think he will suit ETH's style.
 
His past is that pretty much every spell of decent football we've had in the last few years had him involved as a starter.

The present is that he's far too injury prone to be trusted as a key man unfortunately.
 
Trust him in general or thinking that he's a better option than the current version of Ronaldo and Rashford up front?
Ronaldo doesn't run at all (Martial isn't astonishingly brilliant at this aspect but he's decent when he turns on) and his hold-up play in general is horrific.
Rashford isn't suited to the number 9 role at all unless it's a purely counter-attacking set up like Ole loved so much (and ten Hag masterfully appropriated in the game against Liverpool).

Is Martial good enough (considering both his injury issues and general lack of fighting spirit) to be a starting striker for a team with top-4 aspirations? No. Is he the best option for United at the moment, future transfers excluded? Probably.
 
I'm not trusting him at all. I'm recognizing he's the best option on the team to play that role.
 
Reiver said:
I wouldn't say I trust him exactly but what other choice do we have? A sulking Ronaldo? Rashford ffs?
I sincerely hope we buy another striker but it seems increasingly unlikely. If that's the case I'll go with Martial as the least worst option.
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I'm one of the biggest toxic rashford critics out there but that kid has busted his ass for the club way more than Martial. He's also better.
 
Borys said:
For me it's because I never doubted his abilities. He has clear strengths to make it as a striker/wide forward - something I wouldn't say about Rashford.
I think the problem with Martial is attitude, confidence, discipline or whatever.
Also, I hope ETH can get the best of him because, well, he's the last hope I have for having a decent striker for the season (as I don't believe we can get rid of Ronaldo, and in that case we're definitely not adding another big money striker at this point).
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Yes, Martials attitude is the problem entirely and I dont see his attitude improving. Since he joined us in 2015 LVG, Mourinho and OGS, each tried and failed to get decent, consistent performances out of him, as did Julen Lopetegul at Sevilla. How many more managers will he see off? No, Martial cannot be trusted to perform at a consistent level and should be off loaded asap.
 
shamans said:
I'm one of the biggest toxic rashford critics out there but that kid has busted his ass for the club way more than Martial. He's also better.
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I agree with your first point.
As our main CF? I'm not sure.
Out of the two of them, I'd much rather see Rashford come good for the club though.
 
When we signed him, I was really excited and honestly thought he would be a great player. Over the years it's become apparent that he certainly will not. He just isn't very good, but we don't have much choice at present. Yeah he's come back and done ok in preseason and didn't look completely useless when he played one game before being crocked... Again. But yeah he's not ever going to be a good striker, just the best of a very, very bad bunch.

Depay would be a huge improvement.

Edit: just saw the Rashford comparisons and while Martial is only ok at best, these days Rashford is a far interior player. The current version of Rashford would comfortably be in the bottom handful of premier League strikers in my opinion.
 
Because he's the only CF that fits what ETH wants to do and we have no other options.

Depay failed at United and there's a good reason for that. He doesn't have the agility, pace/explosiveness to play the WF role in a physical league that also have teams negating the space and shutting down lanes and time on the ball.

He would be yet again an awful past it signing that we need to flock in 2 years time.

Do we need CF? Yes. But we do need a right one not yet another low quality stop gap.
 
I haven't seen a massive amount of trust. Just people rightly thinking that Martial is the best option we currently have at CF, which is a pretty low bar.
 
In terms of ability, I think he can quite easily be an ETH player. In terms of motivation I think ETH has started really well with how he makes it very clear what he demands and if you're not delivering, theoretically, you should be out. But it's still a question with Martial. Unfortunately, in terms of staying fit he can't really be relied upon as a main striker, which is the only position he's shown so far that motivates him.

We need Ronnie out, and another striker in.
 
While his cameo against Liverpool has been exaggerated, he showed elements of his game that none of the rest of our attackers possess.

I think he suits ETH's style with his ability to hold up the ball and be creative. If he can coach Martial to have more of a killer instinct in the box, it would be a huge boost for us.

So I think a lot of it is hope, not trust. But Martial does have ability in abundance.
 
I don't think it's a case of trusting him exactly, but Martial right now looks to be the best bet for us in a position we're short in. Ideally we would've signed another striker and he would be one of a few options, but we are where we are.

His fitness is a bit of a concern but his pre-season form was encouraging and he looked good against Liverpool too. There are elements of his game he can improve on for sure but Martial has undoubted talent and is a very good technical footballer. If ten Hag can extract that from him and get him pressing well, he still has a role to play for us here.
 
Kush said:
Because our fanbase looks at one moment of quality and think in their heads the said player can replicate it consistently
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Some of us do that a lot. Nani and Anderson were good examples. Every year some fans thought they'd become world beaters. Fred is the main current example of this. When Ragnick arrived, many were convinced he'd become brilliant.
 
The bar is incredibly low but he has also shown quality in spurts
 
Martial has a attitude problem, that won't change, he'll start sulking the second something goes against him. He'll be gone by next season.
 
redmanx said:
Yes, Martials attitude is the problem entirely and I dont see his attitude improving. Since he joined us in 2015 LVG, Mourinho and OGS, each tried and failed to get decent, consistent performances out of him, as did Julen Lopetegul at Sevilla. How many more managers will he see off? No, Martial cannot be trusted to perform at a consistent level and should be off loaded asap.
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How did LVG fail to get decent, consistent performances out of him? He had something like 17 goals and 10 assists in the only season he played under LVG, mostly from the wing. He was excellent that season and would’ve carried us to top 4 of the defence didn’t shit the bed at West Ham. Posts like this are why it’s impossible to have a decent debate about Martial, his detractors love to make up lies about him. Even the OP says he scored no goals for Sevilla which is untrue.
 
Just look at his actions off the pitch. The mother's of his children even can't trust him.
But people who don't even know him think he's all of a sudden going to change his attitude and general demeanour on the pitch.

Best of luck with that, just like several others I can't wait til he's gone.
 
Because despite the stupid narratives he’s actually had a decent career here and been one of our better players. I’d agree he’s been poor the last couple of seasons but he’s clearly a very talented player and I’d say has pretty much been our best attacker since signing for the club. He’s just never been particularly well liked by a portion of the fanbase.

All that said I have no idea if he will actually kick on and become the played he should do because he does clearly face some mental issues. I think if any managed can get the best out of him though, it’s someone like Ten Hag. Just a massive shame hes not been fit to prove it this campaign so far though.
 
I trashed Martial a lot but cannot deny his hold up play is levels above Rashford
 
We have no other option but to rely on him this year, but he should be earmarked for an exit like Shaw, Maguire, Mctom etc in the coming windows.
 
You live out of hope. And all that we've seen from him under ten hag has been class on the pitch. So of course, you have hope that he'll go back to his best form and it's pretty reasonable to expect. Fitness expectations are a different matter, and we'll see in time.

But considering how much we've spent, and who is in our squad, we have the time this season to be patient with him and hope he comes good because he is absolutely the best striker/central forward in our squad by a country mile.
 
Oranges038 said:
Just look at his actions off the pitch. The mother's of his children even can't trust him.
But people who don't even know him think he's all of a sudden going to change his attitude and general demeanour on the pitch.

Best of luck with that, just like several others I can't wait til he's gone.
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What a weird thing to bring up.
 
Oranges038 said:
Just look at his actions off the pitch. The mother's of his children even can't trust him.
But people who don't even know him think he's all of a sudden going to change his attitude and general demeanour on the pitch.

Best of luck with that, just like several others I can't wait til he's gone.
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Did you also lose your trust in Rooney when he cheated on his wife (multiple times)? Or in any of the many other Manchester United players that cheated on their wives or girlfriend?

Or do you just dont like Martial and drag something which isnt relevant at all into this?
 
Just because human being is like that, when they finally matured, they can change into a completely different person.

Have some faith.. :nervous:
 
I don't think anybody "trusts" him. He's simply our only striker that can actually hold up the ball and bring others into play.

We need somebody else desperately, but for now he's the only thing we have. Current Ronaldo is a poacher who can do nothing else, and Rashford wasn't a centre forward on his best day, let alone the player he's been for the last 18 months or so.
 
I had big hopes for the guy... two seasons ago.

Currently, he's literally the only recognised striker that can play the role in our manager's system
 
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