Honestly feck these guys. If these were olden times, their heads would be on pikes for being so corrupt and treating their public with contempt. Absolute cnuts. Let’s hope the next GE finishes off the Tory party for good.
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Honestly feck these guys. If these were olden times, their heads would be on pikes for being so corrupt and treating their public with contempt. Absolute cnuts. Let’s hope the next GE finishes off the Tory party for good.
I’d imagine @Maticmaker ‘because Starmer isn’t a real Labour leader’, ‘ Labour can no longer be trusted by workers’ or some such twaddle.
That's all true but they also drop massive clangers, particularly when speaking live or being asked unscreened questions, or totally misjudge public perception, eg the U-turn on school meals after initially rejecting Rashford's campaign.
I think Starmer is 'warming up' to the role and may yet prove his critics wrong, if he can restore the traditional Labour values/faith in the red wall seats, he will be well on his way to winning the next GE. Things are looking slightly better in Scotland, which is the real prize. Labour might just get a small minority without Scotland, but if they can win enough seats from both Unionists and Nationalist, in Scotland then they could finish up with a decent size majority at Westminster.
Some of the Labour hierarchy still have doubtful ideals (in my opinion), "they practice to deceive" where (of course) many Tory politicians don't need to practice deceit, it is part of their DNA. However, Labour has its own set of 'carpet baggers' amongst its elite, who will sell out their heritage, if needs be... look where they send their kids to school, that is a good indicator, of not practicing what they preach.
Doesn't surprise me, they're all at it. These private school boys are all messed up
Why are you bothered about where a Labour leader sends their children to school? Clearly Starmer (for example) is rich and can afford to do that, if he thinks it’s better than a state school that’s been run into the ground after 12 years of Tory leadership, I wouldn’t argue any different.
I’m far more bothered about what they plan to do to improve the education system going forward.
Because it's a perfect example of not practicing what you preach. Labour has been in power, admittedly some time back, but could have made some positive changes to Education, they should have been standing on the shoulders of Giants, who introduced the original Education Act. What makes you think they will make any changes in the future ?
So you’d rather judge labour from years ago than the Tories for the last 12 that they’ve been in power? Bizarre way to look at it
But they did make a number of positive changes to education.
They invested heavily in new and upgraded school buildings.
And they vastly improved attainment standards by improving the national curriculum.
All ugly looking feckers too.
Education education education was their mantra.
The lengths people go to to justify voting tory is hilarious. Pick and choose who these standards apply to.
I think Labour's approach to education is a good microcosm of what they were generally very good at and what they were generally very bad at.
Investing in education (especially in poorer areas) was a great thing to do, it positively impacted a lot of peoples' lives (including mine) and things have gotten immeasurably worse for pupils and teachers since the Tories got their mits on it after 2010. Unfortunately, the limit of New Labour's concept of a good educational outcome for people in poor areas was "some of them will now be able to somewhat compete with richer kids for good jobs in London or Manchester".
They didn't see education as an opportunity to address regional or economic inequality more broadly, just as a way to give the "best and brightest" from poor areas (in practice, generally those who were already better off than average and had stable home lives) a way to escape the drudgery that awaited their less fortunate or less academically gifted peers. The missed opportunity was that they never made any real efforts to address the drudgery, they saw that as a natural and inevitable (if unfortunate) consequence of not being clever.
Ultimately, unless you invest in job creation in poor areas, increased investment in schooling will have next to no impact on the lives of most people living in those areas. The major beneficaries won't even be the kids who get their A Levels and degrees (the majority of whom will struggle to find a job which uses them anyway), it will be rich areas and the employers and landlords based there who benefit enormously from the constant influx of bright young people competing for the best jobs and the worst accomodation.
I was in education myself during Blair’s Labour so I won’t pretend to remember what they did while in power, however researching that now, I can see that there’s plenty of policies aimed at fixing things I would support currently.
EMA - I directly benefitted from this and would have struggled to pay transport to college without it.
Surestart - had one in my area and plenty of under privileged families benefitted from it. Completely gutted of funding by the Tory’s.
Children Act - impacts on education massively and bought in a big switch to more focus on safeguarding and wellbeing.
As always, I don’t agree with everything they did, uni fees for example, however, I don’t really see anything of value that the Tory’s have tried to do in a decade. Ofsted isn’t fit for purpose, British values and Prevent is a joke, wanting to introduce more grammar schools - guess who that will benefit.
I agree, they did do something, but it was equivalent to 'polishing the hood' and 'inflating the tyres', it did nothing about the things that make/should make the Education system an equal playing field. Even ignoring the existence of public schools (with charitable status) only being really available to the rich, or occasionally some extremely talented youngster from a 'sink' estate. The state system was given a 'lick of paint' and a bit of 'academy' type upgrades in achievement levels, by Labour, but no fundamental policies or new laws to demand and ensure every state school has the very best management, staffing and resources wherever it exists in the country.
It's not about judging the Tory Party, their 'leading lights' have no real feeling or time for state education, it's not where most Tory kids go, and they will pay lip service only. Labour should under Blair, and I admit he did make some minor changes (in the overall context), have bridged the chasm between state and private education once and for all in a way that would have changed the education system and the life of millions of ordinary folks for decades to come; and incidentally laid the foundations for economic growth.
This next Labour government needs to rid itself of those who pay lip service to improved State Education systems and buckle down to it, re-organise funding to ensure State Education gets the best. This does not mean closing private schools, it means shifting the balance positively and permanently and this means every Labour MP sending their children to State Schools, to show they mean it.
It never is for you, is it?
Agree completely with this statement. Unfortunately this is the problem with many, many working class places in the UK. People angry at their lot in life want to know that somone else is worse off than them and being punished for it so they feel better about their bad life choices.
I don't waste my time, like a lot of so-called Labour supporters do, in getting hot under the collar about Tories. I have never expected anything from the Tories and hence I've never been disappointed. I was a member of the Labour party for over twenty years and was very disappointed with them... and still am. I just hope to see a Labour Government that makes fundamental changes to the lives of the ordinary people, before I pass on.
Don’t want to have a go and I could be wrong but didn’t you vote for Boris in the last election, when Labour were offering policies that would make fundamental changes to the lives of ordinary people ?
Your post is a good example of doubling down.
it’s full of labour didn’t do this or that, yet the Tories have been in power for over a decade and what have they done?
No, I gave that impression, but the truth is I just didn't vote. (mea culpa, mea culpa..mea maxima culpa) ...
My constituency is rock solid Labour so it wasn't really a 'turn-coating' action. I did 'big up' Boris a bit because he got through with many who have no real interest in politics and he won, something Labour can't bring itself to do, it only wants to talk to people who 'give a sh**'... when it should be addressing everyone.
I was in my own way trying to adopt the Theory X Management style, with Labour, which basically means... when people won't do what you want them to do, then kick them up the backside, everyday! This was I believe the thinking behind many 'red wall' former Labour voter's intentions.
At the last GE some of Labours proposed policies would have pleased me, but they had two big drawbacks, one they tried to introduce too many, promising everything at once, scaring people off and two JC as leader. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, the reality is Labour even with the manifesto written on tablets of stone, would never have got in with Jeremy ... with someone else they may have dinted Boris' massive +80 majority!
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Ah cheers, that fair enough then.No, I gave that impression, but the truth is I just didn't vote. (mea culpa, mea culpa..mea maxima culpa) ...
My constituency is rock solid Labour so it wasn't really a 'turn-coating' action. I did 'big up' Boris a bit because he got through with many who have no real interest in politics and he won, something Labour can't bring itself to do, it only wants to talk to people who 'give a sh**'... when it should be addressing everyone.
I was in my own way trying to adopt the Theory X Management style, with Labour, which basically means... when people won't do what you want them to do, then kick them up the backside, everyday! This was I believe the thinking behind many 'red wall' former Labour voter's intentions.
At the last GE some of Labours proposed policies would have pleased me, but they had two big drawbacks, one they tried to introduce too many, promising everything at once, scaring people off and two JC as leader. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, the reality is Labour even with the manifesto written on tablets of stone, would never have got in with Jeremy ... with someone else they may have dinted Boris' massive +80 majority!
Honestly, Fcuk ALL of them. They deserve the product of their bigotry. They will die sooner, and poorer. So many of those responses were just disgusting.
Framing it as ‘These Tories will now vote elsewhere’ shouldn’t be good. feck them all. I don’t want them on ‘my’ side. I’d rather they couldn’t vote. They are the problem.
As much as I agree with everything you've said, unfortunately the only way out of this mess is to educate these simpletons and get them to listen to someone else who isn't their sparky mate "Dave" about immigration policies and vaccines.
Are you saying that New Labour did not invest in job creation ?
Oh I would say that Labour did quite a bit more than you have described.
In fact I would argue that they did more for education as well as the NHS than any contemporary government has achieved.
Education and Health were definite priorities.
But anyway. That is the past and it is vital that Starmers Labour set similar priorities.
And for me, they also need to focus on increasing UK manufacturing.
She could not know my name any time, if u kno wot eye meen.
Who are you?
No, I'm saying that didn't focus their efforts in the areas which needed it and made regional inequality worse rather than better. New Labour's economic policy focussed on creating jobs in relatively rich areas like London and the bigger regional cities and ignoring the rest of the country on the grounds that by investing in education in those poorer areas they'd be giving people a "fair" chance of getting out. That approach led to all but a couple of the people I was in Sixth Form with leaving for good after school, whilst the folks who didn't make it to Sixth Form, or who had family responsibilities and couldn't leave, were left behind with few prospects.
Statistics show the trend pretty clearly between 1997 and 2006. The beneficiaries of New Labour's economic policies were London, Manchester, Bristol, Cardiff, Leeds, Newcastle and the North London commuter belt. Outside of those cities, almost everywhere got poorer, particularly already deprived areas like County Durham/Teeside, East Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire, and the Welsh valleys.
edit: I would suspect that if you made a map showing all areas which got poorer between 1997 and 2006, you'd have an almost exact map of the areas which everyone was shocked voted for Brexit in 2016.
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No go on?
Understood and thank you for this. I guess living in Bristol, I hadn't noticed the inequality you have mentioned.
Revealed: Second firm pushed by Michelle Mone was secret entity of husband’s office
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...lle-mone-was-secret-entity-of-husbands-office
In the meantime she can have a nice little holiday...
Conservative peer Michelle Mone to take leave of absence from Lords
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63871448
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...lle-mone-was-secret-entity-of-husbands-office
In the meantime she can have a nice little holiday...
Conservative peer Michelle Mone to take leave of absence from Lords
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63871448
Labour invested heavily in education. Every school in my area got a massive overhaul, new buildings, facilities, equipment. Schools that had seen nothing whilst I was there (80s and early 90s).
Your argument is that Labour didn't do enough vs 12 years of Tory rule that has defended and fecked over the state school system? Really?
That is my take as well. The school that my children went to was given a massive upgrade to all departments and was highly impressive.
But since then, very little has been done to it.
On a separate note, the Labour government of the time set in place standards for the NHS such as waiting times, which have never since been equalled.
Michelle Mone(y)
I hope Mone crashes and burns, yes she's literally taken money out of my pocket and taken it offshore, but also she was a fecking self-righteous knob on LinkedIn, and cause a lot of blokes wanted to shag her she was always popping up on my feed.
late forties blonde women with decent hair are kryptonite to a certain type of middle-aged bloke.