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Honestly think this is exactly the result the government were aiming for.
 
Patel will be seething, the great big massive twat.

Though we’re one step closer to withdrawing from the ECHR, which is probably what they were aiming for.
 
Watch her majesty's government launch a massive culture war campaign.
 
The Rwanda policy is so farfetched that I reckon it’s only been designed to pick a fight with the ECHR. This government needs its Brexit or it has feck all.
 
saivet said:
I've not followed this closely but what is meant to happen to those that are successful in their appeal? They are just left in Rwanda and have to arrange travel to the UK themselves?
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This is the most perverse part for me.

If they get denied asylum Rwanda deport them.

If they get granted asylum, they get asylum in Rwanda and not the UK. They never get a right to return here.
 
Frosty said:
This is the most perverse part for me.

If they get denied asylum Rwanda deport them.

If they get granted asylum, they get asylum in Rwanda and not the UK. They never get a right to return here.
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What the feck, so they are effectively just paying Rwanda to take our asylum seekers off our hands then. I thought it was just a shady and dubious way of letting Rwanda handle them on the UK's behalf rather than just moving them on for good.
 
saivet said:
What the feck, so they are effectively just paying Rwanda to take our asylum seekers off our hands then. I thought it was just a shady and dubious way of letting Rwanda handle them on the UK's behalf rather than just moving them on for good.
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Paul the Wolf said:
Priti Patel is a people trafficker employed by the UK government.
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I have a feeling more people than you realise are in support of the Rwanada scheme. Ok I'm in my late 20's, scrolling through Instagram and the vast majority are commenting negatively to a lad bible post about the flight. Makes me sick ti se

There's a post on ladbible promoting a false rhetoric that "less 1 in 6 young Brits support the Rwanda scheme." Whilst I'd love for it to be true, unfortunately the comment section is just riddled with young bigots talking about our fellow humans entering the country illegally. :( Makes me feel sick to be honest.

2011 was my happiest time here. Coincided with the release of LMFAO's sexy and I know it :lol: Good, happy vibes at uni.
 
Adisa said:
Off we go!
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I’ve spent the last week reading Daily Mail sports reporters get all worked up about the Saudi Arabia golf stuff, complaining about the morals of it etc.

The absolute irony of it working for that piece of shit newspaper.
 
Oh, the irony!

Northern Ireland Protocol Bill (Page 1)

EXPLANATORY NOTES Explanatory notes to the Bill, prepared by the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office, are published separately as Bill 12-EN.

EUROPEAN CONVENTION ON HUMAN RIGHTS

Secretary Elizabeth Truss has made the following statement under section 19(1)(a) of the Human Rights Act 1998:

In my view the provisions of the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill are compatible with the Convention rights.
 
It's so transparent. Without a culture war battle, this government cannot win.
 
Frosty said:
No, I appreciate the clarity.

The thread I posted above gave a number of options available to the UK Government, including rejoining the Dublin protocol meaning the asylum seekers could be lawfully returned to France, or even setting up an agreement with the French Government to process asylum claims for the UK on French soil.

But I think it is more accurate to note that Theresa May, when she was Home Secretary, included student numbers within the immigration figures.

In the year ending March 2020, formal study was the most common main reason for immigration (36%), while work was the second most common main reason (32%).

So a third of that immigration figure relates to FE and HE, and is a big economic driver for many cities and towns across the UK. Those students also cannot remain here until they find work (paying over a certain amount) after graduating.

I think it is also sensible to consider net immigration, rather than the headline figure.

In the year ending June 2021 573,000 people migrated into the UK and 334,000 people emigrated from it, leaving net migration figure of 239,000 people.

We also have 1.3 million job vacancies as an economy. That seems to suggest that more migration is needed to fill those skills gaps. But that's a different debate from asylum claims.
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The guy who conflated the terms knows exactly what he is doing.

Its a valid point on migration but if the only solution to excess job vacancies is more immigration then the solution is a bit of a Ponzi scheme. Unless you think there is an infinite number of people wanting to come and an infinite capacity to accept them into the UK. Since neither of these things are true the problem isn't solved but put off and in fact exacerbated.

Unless AI saves the day and then turns us all into grey goo.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
The guy who conflated the terms knows exactly what he is doing.

Its a valid point on migration but if the only solution to excess job vacancies is more immigration then the solution is a bit of a Ponzi scheme. Unless you think there is an infinite number of people wanting to come and an infinite capacity to accept them into the UK. Since neither of these things are true the problem isn't solved but put off and in fact exacerbated.

Unless AI saves the day and then turns us all into grey goo.
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Well we need migrants because of a falling birth rate, a problem nobody wants to tackle because it would actually involve being nice to the population - more housing, better pay, more time off, better healthcare, better childcare, that sort of thing. So being dickheads to immigrants may play well with the old folks but it does absolutely nothing for either British people or the immergants. Immigration is the only way to ensure there'll be someone to wipe their arse when the time comes because of how fecked up our politics is.
 
https://news.sky.com/story/channel-...-highest-daily-figure-for-two-months-12634265

Good to see that the UK government plans to completely disrupt the people traffickers business model by illegally shunting the males to the safe and secure state of Rwanda is working brilliantly.
Our government is an international laughing stock determined to turn the UK into a pariah state. While at the same time trying to sign international trade agreements.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Would this count as a benefit of Brexit if it happens? Which it won't.
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Very much so it's only the presence of churchmen that justifies the house of Lords anyway . Get rid of them and then abolishing the whole ediface could follow...perfect irony really.
 
Despite all the noise on this topic, immigration is not an issue in the British Isles because it's been happening for centuries, a large proportion of today's population are descended from immigrants whether ayslum seekers or people just after a better life.How immigration is managed is important and there has to be rules as well as fairness to avoid queue jumping ( dear to the heart of all true Brits ). This subject has to be taken out of day to day politics, it's too important to those who want to come and to those already here.
 
Maticmaker said:
Despite all the noise on this topic, immigration is not an issue in the British Isles because it's been happening for centuries, a large proportion of today's population are descended from immigrants whether ayslum seekers or people just after a better life.How immigration is managed is important and there has to be rules as well as fairness to avoid queue jumping ( dear to the heart of all true Brits ). This subject has to be taken out of day to day politics, it's too important to those who want to come and to those already here.
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Bit more than a large proportion, I'd go as far to say even if your family line goes back as far as pre-Roman, you probably still are descended from immigrants.

The people who built Stonehenge were in Britain thousands of years before the Celts immigrated over.
 
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