Westminster Politics

Melanie Phillips - I put her in the same league as Priti Patel
 
Boris and Priti are going to get away with it, aren't they? It's no longer headline news after 24 hours.

"You stoked the flames of hate and here's the evidence."
"No we didn't and that evidence you're holding in your hands doesn't exist"
End of discussion apparently.
 
Boris and Priti are going to get away with it, aren't they? It's no longer headline news after 24 hours.

"You stoked the flames of hate and here's the evidence."
"No we didn't and that evidence you're holding in your hands doesn't exist"
End of discussion apparently.
Maybe I’m being overly optimistic here but I get the sense that this whole culture war thing that they have been attempting to stoke hasn’t played out exactly as they’d like it to and the England football team have played a big part in that. Hopefully the rhetoric will calm down a bit.
 
It's also easy being in government when you can just talk a load of shite and deflect things.

And know that hardly anyone cares because we have become conditioned to that type of behaviour.
Boris and the Tories are liars. Yawn yawn..
 
Maybe I’m being overly optimistic here but I get the sense that this whole culture war thing that they have been attempting to stoke hasn’t played out exactly as they’d like it to and the England football team have played a big part in that. Hopefully the rhetoric will calm down a bit.

It’s really difficult to say out loud, but if most of the squad came out and openly spoke their mind about politicians, they would move the needle of public perception. I wish they would. I understand why they don’t. But a group that United could really make a difference if they chose to.

Almost without exception these are working class kids that will be richer than the ‘ruling class’ when their career ends. They shouldn’t have to speak up, but they can speak without consequence.

A constant and consistent message along the lines of Southgates pre-tournament letter. It would change England.
 
It’s really difficult to say out loud, but if most of the squad came out and openly spoke their mind about politicians, they would move the needle of public perception. I wish they would. I understand why they don’t. But a group that United could really make a difference if they chose to.

Almost without exception these are working class kids that will be richer than the ‘ruling class’ when their career ends. They shouldn’t have to speak up, but they can speak without consequence.

A constant and consistent message along the lines of Southgates pre-tournament letter. It would change England.
I wish I could get behind this but according to the press Boris cancelled meeting the England player, which I think we all know sounds like bullshit.
 
I wish I could get behind this but according to the press Boris cancelled meeting the England player, which I think we all know sounds like bullshit.

100% they cancelled. Not him.

They don’t need him. At all. They have a bigger audience than he ever will. They just need to use it.

Again, it’s a tough ask. But the support is there.
 
100% they cancelled. Not him.

They don’t need him. At all. They have a bigger audience than he ever will. They just need to use it.

Again, it’s a tough ask. But the support is there.
Absolutely, but they used their popularity to cancel the trip and make a statement, and the media covered for Boris immediately and said that he cancelled the event.

I wish I'm wrong but I just think this is going to be the same shit like it always is. Without media traction everything will be forgotten and we'll move on to the next scandal.
 
Are we beginning to see the odd crack in the government armour.
Racism and the England football players.
And the utter chaos in the requirement to wear or to not wear face masks.
On both issues, the government has completely misjudged the the situation. And both seem to be at odds with public opinion.
 
Maybe I’m being overly optimistic here but I get the sense that this whole culture war thing that they have been attempting to stoke hasn’t played out exactly as they’d like it to and the England football team have played a big part in that. Hopefully the rhetoric will calm down a bit.
I do get that impression as well, but I'm a natural optimist. I would hope that comments from the likes of Rashford and Mings do have cut-through, and show the ridiculous hypocrisy of the likes of Patel.

But then, Rashford's initial campaign, while being an overwhelming success, doesn't appear to have made any dent in the government's lead in the polls...
 
Absolutely, but they used their popularity to cancel the trip and make a statement, and the media covered for Boris immediately and said that he cancelled the event.

I wish I'm wrong but I just think this is going to be the same shit like it always is. Without media traction everything will be forgotten and we'll move on to the next scandal.

If they all broke rank and told the world that Boris cancelled after they told him they wouldn’t attend, he wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. They have bigger platforms. But it would need to be a joint effort. And a sustained one.
 
But then, Rashford's initial campaign, while being an overwhelming success, doesn't appear to have made any dent in the government's lead in the polls...
The thing is though, Rashford never aimed to dent the government’s lead in polls, he just wanted to put meals on the tables of underprivileged young families and he succeeded. It would have been nice if he had but he was very clear about his objective and that it was apolitical.
 
If they all broke rank and told the world that Boris cancelled after they told him they wouldn’t attend, he wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. They have bigger platforms. But it would need to be a joint effort. And a sustained one.
Yeah. Fingers crossed I suppose!
 
The thing is though, Rashford never aimed to dent the government’s lead in polls, he just wanted to put meals on the tables of underprivileged young families and he succeeded. It would have been nice if he had but he was very clear about his objective and that it was apolitical.
That's true but didn't the Government initially oppose his campaign? You'd think opposing feeding hungry children would have some negative political impact on them.
 
That's true but didn't the Government initially oppose his campaign? You'd think opposing feeding hungry children would have some negative political impact on them.
You’d think…. But this is brexit Britain.
 
A few years ago I would have given them the benefit of the doubt and sided on it being a simple mistake but having lived the last decade under this government I can only presume it is because they are either that stupid or they are trolling. Either way, they are evil cnuts.
 
Some responses to this tweet is why the Tories get a majority. Fecking depressing.



That's just incredible. First of all denying all responsibility of government even though it's widely available what they've said and then saying the solution is to get others companies and other individuals to do the work. I'm not sure how anybody can watch that and think they're doing even a slightly adequate job.
 

if it was an MP making a complaint about anti-semitism and she was responded to in that way by a minister, it would be front page news across the board and their would be serious amounts of shit hitting fan. instead this is dismissed as 'woke' 'snowflake' behaviour. Atkins knows exactly what shes doing (ironically enough even scolding corbyn at the same time), and shes playing to her gallery, who via a quick look on social media are lapping it up. lots of comments how she put the MP in her place. although we can all guess what the 'place' is for an opposition MP who happens to be a woman and Asian. Only if there was an Minister, who also happens to be Asian and a woman and has experienced her fair share of racism, that could make a stand, perhaps Atkins might want to find her boss.....
 
I mean it's literally a joke from the film 'Captain Ron' with Kurt Russell and Martin Short so probably yes.
The one where Kurt wears an eye patch? Surely that quote's not a lift directly from that?

I've been trying to find the source of the tweet's content. Seems to have been around for a decade but always linked to the Home Office but I simply can't believe it's true.

It'd be unlike then to be even accidentally humorous rather than just brutally callous.
 
The one where Kurt wears an eye patch? Surely that quote's not a lift directly from that?

I've been trying to find the source of the tweet's content. Seems to have been around for a decade but always linked to the Home Office but I simply can't believe it's true.

It'd be unlike then to be even accidentally humorous rather than just brutally callous.

Yeah that one. No it's not a quote as such but literally the exact same gag in the film which leads me to believe it must be a joke.
 
Two homes raided in the investigation into the leaked Hancock footage.

Never mind that he's having an affair with someone whose family has benefitted financially through dodgy dealings from Hancock's department. No, we only need to investigate how the public found out about it...
 
Two homes raided in the investigation into the leaked Hancock footage.

Never mind that he's having an affair with someone whose family has benefitted financially through dodgy dealings from Hancock's department. No, we only need to investigate how the public found out about it...
Might be a few more in the government worried about tapes coming out.