Westminster Politics 2024-2029

Sweet Square said:
“Fair dos” Kier for getting over £30,000 in free tickets

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This is your fault. Why didn't you try and warn people that Starmer was a cnut before the election?

This is like that time I voted for Brexit, or shaved my testicles with a ferret.
 
Enough politics talk for today, let's talk about something nice!

It's that time of year when all of the woodland creatures are starting to stash away things for the winter. I got a great photo of a cheeky little chappy stashing his donations from right wing donors!

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Thinking that Countryfile will send me a free calendar for that one.
 
After spending all week getting MP’s on tv to look like idiots defending this….Starmer has finally seen some polling data

 
Smores said:
It was probably the JCB Owner since he was the most high profile.

He didn't work for the Labour government in any official capacity which is the key. It goes without saying that these people are consulted for their views and industry expertise, it's those views they've paid to have heard. That's always the governments line as it was under the Tories, speaking to industry (who happened to have paid us).

I think some in here have a fundamental misunderstanding of how bribes work. There's a good reason in my industry (financial services) that gifts have been stripped back to nothing from the loads money era. Those gifts didn't put investor's interests first, in the same way government donations don't put public interest first.

It isn't that someone is paid directly to say or do something, it's access and it's the implication of how that gravy train can be maintained. They become a client that needs to be kept sweet and suddenly everything is viewed from that angle.

If people want to donate tens of thousands to a party then fine but they shouldn't get anything for that money. It should be treated the same as a small blind donation, support for what the party is doing not for what it can do for me.
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I worked inside financial services for ages. I genuinely don’t believe that the bold is what happened.

You believe he was paying to have his voice heard. It doesn’t have to be that way around. Plenty of the time it’s not. Certainly not outside of Financial Services. Sometimes people want to do good.

I’ve criticised Starmer plenty. But I give him a lot of rope on ethics as he has a history of playing to the rules.

The numbers aren’t astronomical either. Maybe Alli is a cnut. Maybe Starmer gets his head turned by a few donations. I don’t believe either of those are true though.
 
TheGame said:
God they are pathetic.

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Kinda feel sorry for this guy. He’s got all these racist, little Englander views.

He has zero concept of the reasons behind the right wing push to defund the BBC.

He’s the most useless of useful idiots.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
I dislike starmer, and think Corbyn was a midly left fella, so you probably think I'm marx reincarnated.

I also think he'll be gone by winter 2025, and its not wishful thinking. Because the replacement will be reeves or streeting. And both are far worse.
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Maybe so, however, I personally feel that if Starmer can weather storms from outside, he may well turn out to be a kind of Labour's (male) version of Maggie Thatcher. Different 'cover' of course will be used, but every bit as resolute.

However, he has to be prepared because 'events' outside his control can reek havoc with his plans.

I also feel he needs Reeves and Streeting to be seen as 'worse than him' for many within the party and they will become his 'attack -dogs', inside and out of government ( a bit like Maggie had Norman Tebbit!!)

He will however, still also have to 'look over his shoulder', once all the bad news is out of the way.
 
Maticmaker said:
Maybe so, however, I personally feel that if Starmer can weather storms from outside, he may well turn out to be a kind of Labour's (male) version of Maggie Thatcher. Different 'cover' of course will be used, but every bit as resolute.

However, he has to be prepared because 'events' outside his control can reek havoc with his plans.

I also feel he needs Reeves and Streeting to be seen as 'worse than him' for many within the party and they will become his 'attack -dogs', inside and out of government ( a bit like Maggie had Norman Tebbit!!)

He will however, still also have to 'look over his shoulder', once all the bad news is out of the way.
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Or of course this is all "utterly make believe" and you should consider whether the"facts of the matter" are different to what's in your "head".
 
TwoSheds said:
Or of course this is all "utterly make believe" and you should consider whether the"facts of the matter" are different to what's in your "head".
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That's quite possible, but in the words of 'Boyzone' ... no matter what they tell us... what we believe is true!
 
Lammy also attended Bilderburg twice in the last 12 months before taking office.

I'd also point out that while I think sue gray was a horrific choice for having any influence within a supposedly democratic government, because she is almost certainly an MI5 agent, getting rid of her is about isolating starmer and the first step in installing reeves (or less likely streeting).

The constant briefings is exactly how they undermined corbyn, and it is very likely to be the exact same people doing it this time. Mcsweeney and his band of utter cnuts.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Lammy also attended Bilderburg twice in the last 12 months before taking office.

I'd also point out that while I think sue gray was a horrific choice for having any influence within a supposedly democratic government, because she is almost certainly an MI5 agent, getting rid of her is about isolating starmer and the first step in installing reeves (or less likely streeting).

The constant briefings is exactly how they undermined corbyn, and it is very likely to be the exact same people doing it this time. Mcsweeney and his band of utter cnuts.
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MI5 agent? How do you figure that one?
 
Jippy said:
A Saudi national or a Saudi UK passport holder. Aren't donations from foreigners banned?
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Turns out it’s might be someone who just had links to Saudi Arabia

From the express -

David Lammy took £10,000 from a PR executive with links to Saudi Arabia just months before becoming Foreign Secretary, it has been revealed

Muddassar Ahmed provided the funds to support Mr Lammy's office via Silk Road Consultancy, a company which has no employees and where Mr Ahmed serves as the sole director.

Mr Ahmed, 41, who is also the managing partner of PR firm Unitas Communications, has previously voiced support for Saudi Arabia in blogs and articles.

In an article published in the Daily Express in 2016,, he criticised Boris Johnson, who had accused Saudi Arabia of “puppeteering” in the Middle East.

Mr Ahmed wrote: "What does he expect – a parliamentary democracy with a secular constitution ruling over the Muslim holy sites in Mecca and Medina?"

In July, Mr Ahmed addressed at the London Stock Exchange on a panel discussing “Saudi Arabia and religious pilgrimage”, focusing on enhancing the pilgrim experience.

Mr Ahmed has also lavished praised on Mr Lammy, commending him for seeking to “break free from the delusions of grandeur of yesteryear” and for embracing partnerships over "traditional, hypocritical lectures".

He has also called for Sir Keir Starmer to reset Labour’s relationship with the Middle East, calling for Labour to should build bridges domestically and internationally with the input of high-profile Muslim politicians, businessmen, academics, and community leaders.

Unitas Communications’ website lists clients such as the Islamic Development Bank, majority-owned by the Saudi government. However, Mr Ahmed told the Daily Telegraph this is was an error, stating: “The Islamic Development Bank is not, and has never been, a client of Unitas, nor has the Saudi government."

He clarified that donations to Mr Lammy and Ms Mahmood were made personally, rather than through Unitas funds.

He added: “I have indeed criticised British foreign policy in the Middle East, as you noted, and spoke at an event at the London Stock Exchange on Hajj.

"We collaborated with the Bank on an event some years ago, but it is not currently or has ever been a client.”

Asked if he was planning to make further donations to Labour, Mr Ahmed replied: “Quite possibly.”
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Seems it could be just another businessman trying to buy influence.
 
Sweet Square said:
Turns out it’s might be someone who just had links to Saudi Arabia

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Seems it could be just another businessman trying to buy influence.
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Politics UK going full Telegraph- man with foreign name donates to Labour MP. Reads like the Express couldn't find anything overly concerning.
 
Whatever you think of this government, and let's face it, they are everything I said they'd be and Starmer supporters said they wouldn't.

But put that to one side.

This is amateur shit. Guilty of all the shit they called out, and whilst is arguably not as bad, you can't pontificate from your high horse and then not be anything other than whiter than white.

It's only a couple of months in power FFS. Ludicrous. I've seen toddlers fall over their own shoelaces with more style than this bunch of idiots.

fecks sake. It's like an episode of Brass Eye.
 
Herman Toothrot said:
Whatever you think of this government, and let's face it, they are everything I said they'd be and Starmer supporters said they wouldn't.

But put that to one side.

This is amateur shit. Guilty of all the shit they called out, and whilst is arguably not as bad, you can't pontificate from your high horse and then not be anything other than whiter than white.

It's only a couple of months in power FFS. Ludicrous. I've seen toddlers fall over their own shoelaces with more style than this bunch of idiots.

fecks sake. It's like an episode of Brass Eye.
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Yup. They’re straight up the Tories but with different coloured ties.
 
It's been a couple of months and Starmer's approval rate is already hitting rock bottom?
 
Outside of personal holidays and clothes, there's a point about campaigning money. That's totally open to bribes the way we do it, and probably should come from a paid-for fund for all parties.
 
Im not saying we should have a violent revolution but I will say that not all the ideas the French have are bad
 
Balljy said:
Outside of personal holidays and clothes, there's a point about campaigning money. That's totally open to bribes the way we do it, and probably should come from a paid-for fund for all parties.
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These are personal donations to indivisual MPs, none of them are using it for campaigning.

Party donations fund campaining, and they have more oversight.

This is only the tip of the iceburg too. Streeting has been getting 15 grand payments every few months from john armitage since he became shadow health minister.

Armitage controls a hedge fund with around $800 million invested in United Health.
 
They need a crash course in optics, It's like this shower have learnt nothing from all their years in oppostion. Change, my arse.
 
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