Westminster Politics 2024-2029

“Fair dos” Kier for getting over £30,000 in free tickets



Poorly handled. I’m 100% fine with a PM having a box at his club. It’s a justifiable perk and does make sense from a security perspective.

Had he levered it better it would have been a celebration. All he had to do was link up with a poor school in his constituency and take several different families along for an afternoon at the football with the PM. Half the games maybe.
 
Poorly handled. I’m 100% fine with a PM having a box at his club. It’s a justifiable perk and does make sense from a security perspective.

Had he levered it better it would have been a celebration. All he had to do was link up with a poor school in his constituency and take several different families along for an afternoon at the football with the PM. Half the games maybe.
It’s not his box though and school kids can’t give the owner of the box juicy government contracts.
The “fair do’s” comment is obviously going to wind people up but there are going to be some perks of the job and I don’t think he should have to stop going to the footy, but could have handled it a lot better than he did.
 
It’s not his box though and school kids can’t give the owner of the box juicy government contracts.
The “fair do’s” comment is obviously going to wind people up but there are going to be some perks of the job and I don’t think he should have to stop going to the footy, but could have handled it a lot better than he did.

Under no set of circumstances is he going to be hosting meetings there to hand out contracts. He’s in full view of everyone and he really is there to watch the footy.

He’s an exceptional constituency MP, he’s lived 20-30 minutes walk from The Emirates for almost 20 years. His constituency contains London’s poorest neighbourhood and one of the poorest in the country. (It also contains the richest)

It would have been a slam dunk to reach out to these schools and get them involved. Not some trumped up ‘Meet the PM’ thing, but share the space with someone less fortunate. No suit and glad handing. Just football.

It’s the ‘I’m having all this for me’ that grates on me. He works for us. He’s entitled to down time and enjoy the football, but extending your zero cost privilege to someone who may never experience it… feels dirty not to.
 
Under no set of circumstances is he going to be hosting meetings there to hand out contracts. He’s in full view of everyone and he really is there to watch the footy.

He’s an exceptional constituency MP, he’s lived 20-30 minutes walk from The Emirates for almost 20 years. His constituency contains London’s poorest neighbourhood and one of the poorest in the country. (It also contains the richest)

It would have been a slam dunk to reach out to these schools and get them involved. Not some trumped up ‘Meet the PM’ thing, but share the space with someone less fortunate. No suit and glad handing. Just football.

It’s the ‘I’m having all this for me’ that grates on me. He works for us. He’s entitled to down time and enjoy the football, but extending your zero cost privilege to someone who may never experience it… feels dirty not to.
I’m not saying he’ll be picking up brown envelopes at the ground, but nobody gives away a £5k box to someone without wanting something in return, there will be a reason for it.
 
I’m not saying he’ll be picking up brown envelopes at the ground, but nobody gives away a £5k box to someone without wanting something in return, there will be a reason for it.

Nah. Arsenal are solid mate. Huge community focus there. It’s a real source of pride for the club to have the PM nearby, and as a fan, and he’s been a match goer for years. The area is super lefty. The ‘Tofu eating north London wokerati’ thing, is actually a thing.

I know all clubs have community outreach projects, but Arsenal are on a different planet. I’m sure it helps that they’ve been based in an area that was poor and has become quite rich. Some of their schemes have been running decades.

I don’t think it’s naivety to suggest it’s just a straight up offer. Of course there’s a case to be had that they have more chance to talk about community matters, but that doesn’t feel nefarious. Corbyn did lots of work with them too as the ground is actually in his constituency.

It’s also a little easier to be publicly friendly with Starmer than Corbyn as he doesn’t wade into club politics and ownership.

Also worth saying that it’s far easier for the club to accomodate his attendance in a box than his old seat. They’d have to move people from seats to accomodate security personnel, which is a far worse look.
 
“Fair dos” Kier for getting over £30,000 in free tickets



I'm more than happy to call Keir a wanker but the principles of this are a bit of a non story for me. The explanation of it makes sense, it's not some random perk for no reason - he was a season ticket holder.
 
Got no issue with Arsenal giving him a box for security reasons. It's the private donors buying clothes and other stuff for him that shouldn't be happening.
 
Got no issue with Arsenal giving him a box for security reasons. It's the private donors buying clothes and other stuff for him that shouldn't be happening.
Ah I’ve misunderstood. It was the club giving him the box? Not some other individual/company?
If that is the case then “fair do’s”
 
Given he's trying to institute a football regulator I'd offer him a hospitality box if I were Arsenal too...
 
Got no issue with Arsenal giving him a box for security reasons. It's the private donors buying clothes and other stuff for him that shouldn't be happening.
This - but there should be an allowance that is centrally funded for official duties.
 
This - but there should be an allowance that is centrally funded for official duties.
Short money should be expanded and private donations limited if not made illegal in terms of donations direct to MPs, not parties. The current structure gives the strong odour of corruption.

We also need to beef up the Electoral Commission's oversight and powers to clamp down on any abuses or go arounds.
 
This - but there should be an allowance that is centrally funded for official duties.
Yeah. I mean, America's much more blatant with its use of legalised bribery (sorry, lobbying), but I've never heard of a private individual or corporate entity buying the President's suits for him. Maybe it happens and I've just been oblivious to it?
 
I think Declassified can be problematic in some of its work, but on military stuff they really are the best out there. This tweet pretty much sums up starmer's party.

 
Imagine being an Arsenal season ticket holder

Disgusting weird and frankly worrying behaviour from our so-called Prime Minister.
 


Hence why they're getting the focus onto this rather than all the other donations which are a major issue. Find an agreeable part of the issue and focus on it is Tory politics 101.

To be honest in comparison to the donations from the Israeli lobby this is a small story. The likes of Hodge and others took an obscene amount of money from Israeli lobby groups and it's hard not to judge that they were influenced by it.

Wes Streeting being another suspect individual for cash for influence.

I've always been for paying MPs more but the culture needs to change first.
 
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Got no issue with Arsenal giving him a box for security reasons. It's the private donors buying clothes and other stuff for him that shouldn't be happening.

Yep.

As per something I read on twitter, under the Tories the money for this sort of expenditure would come from a central Tory fund, with the fund itself being financed by donors. So while the PM would still getting money for things like clothes, it wouldn't be coming directly from individual donors.

Leaving aside anything else, it seems bizarre to me that Labour wouldn't have thought to have that pretty basic control on donations in place.
 
£100k in 5 years. Utter non story.

£20k a year is tiny money. It was all declared and approved.

We’re doing a lot of the Right Wing press bidding here.

Whataboutism is a cancer. But Johnson took £150k in a single payment for a flat renovation.

Get some perspective folks.
 
£100k in 5 years. Utter non story.

£20k a year is tiny money. It was all declared and approved.

We’re doing a lot of the Right Wing press bidding here.

Whataboutism is a cancer. But Johnson took £150k in a single payment for a flat renovation.

Get some perspective folks.
This is bollocks quite frankly. What we are doing is holding Labour to the same standards we held the Tories.

It’s important to be objective rather than tribal. If you were complaining about Tory embellishment, cronyism, corruption and political prostitution and are now making excuses for Labour for the same offences, regardless of scale, then you are not a serious person.
 
This is bollocks quite frankly. What we are doing is holding Labour to the same standards we held the Tories.

It’s important to be objective rather than tribal. If you were complaining about Tory embellishment, cronyism, corruption and political prostitution and are now making excuses for Labour for the same offences, regardless of scale, then you are not a serious person.

It’s really not. £20k a year of declared gifts and hospitality.

Where’s the fire?
 
£100k in 5 years. Utter non story.

£20k a year is tiny money. It was all declared and approved.

We’re doing a lot of the Right Wing press bidding here.

Whataboutism is a cancer. But Johnson took £150k in a single payment for a flat renovation.

Get some perspective folks.

The man who bought starmer his clothes has been givenan all access security pass for 10 downing street. He holds no governmental position of any kind.

Its not a non-story. Its corruption, what we used to call cash for access.
 
The man who bought starmer his clothes has been givenan all access security pass for 10 downing street. He holds no governmental position of any kind.

Its not a non-story. Its corruption, what we used to call cash for access.

He was given a temporary pass that had been returned after it was no longer necessary. He organised an event and was advising Keir on external applicants to cabinet positions. As far as I understand at least.

Plenty of temporary passes are handed out. Strictly controlled, but not some nefarious process. It just gets you through security faster.
 


Tories lost the election by leaning diving into BS populist Culture Wars nonsense, so what do all of the leadership candidate do to 'turn the ship around'? Double down on it!

Absolutely mental!
 


Tories lost the election by leaning diving into BS populist Culture Wars nonsense, so what do all of the leadership candidate do to 'turn the ship around'? Double down on it!

Absolutely mental!


Fascism never runs. It walks slowly forward, but never takes a backwards step.

All Tory Leadership candidates are marching in the same direction. Jenrick and Badenoch do it with loud hailers and a tiki torch in their garage. Cleverly does it with handshakes, nods and winks to the right people. Tugenhat seems to get cross, but they all keep walking.

They’re now a Nationalist Party. There’s no point suggesting that they’re not. Their policies and messages are now in a very dark place. It’s genuinely horrifying that the vast majority of our media are not just banging drums, but a marching beat to keep them all in step.
 
I genuinely did not expect him to show how much of a wanker he is this quickly into the job. The mask is well and truly off

I didn't expect the party to turn on him quite so quickly. I didn't think he'd see out a term before he was stabbed in the back, he might not even make a year.
 


Tories lost the election by leaning diving into BS populist Culture Wars nonsense, so what do all of the leadership candidate do to 'turn the ship around'? Double down on it!

Absolutely mental!


They are extremely limited people promoted way beyond their abilities, all of them. Hence this simplistic nonsense is all they can manage.

This began when johnson expelled all the people opposed to brexit, then reshaped the party by hand choosing the 2019 candidates. Like all authoritarians, his first thought was to bring in people who were weaker and less able than him, because they are not a threat to his position. Thats what is left of the tory party today.

Starmer did the exact same thing this time around, it will have the same consequences.
 
I didn't expect the party to turn on him quite so quickly. I didn't think he'd see out a term before he was stabbed in the back, he might not even make a year.
I suspect this is all wishful thinking in the land of the....' I hate Starmer, have never liked him and if I cross my fingers and wish hard enough he will disappear'.... 'lefty' dreamers brigade!
 
I suspect this is all wishful thinking in the land of the....' I hate Starmer, have never liked him and if I cross my fingers and wish hard enough he will disappear'.... 'lefty' dreamers brigade!
I dislike starmer, and think Corbyn was a midly left fella, so you probably think I'm marx reincarnated.

I also think he'll be gone by winter 2025, and its not wishful thinking. Because the replacement will be reeves or streeting. And both are far worse.
 
He was given a temporary pass that had been returned after it was no longer necessary. He organised an event and was advising Keir on external applicants to cabinet positions. As far as I understand at least.

Plenty of temporary passes are handed out. Strictly controlled, but not some nefarious process. It just gets you through security faster.

Labour called exactly that scenario corruption when a Tory donor got a pass. Rightly as well because it is, cash for access is corruption.

You must have a strong sense of cognitive dissonance and backache from how far you're bending over for Labour here.

The public won't stand for hypocrisy it's the one thing that tends to be universally disliked. A minority like yourself might cling to Labour only needing to be less bad than the Tories but ultimately Labour will be held to the standard they demanded of the Tories.

You know Starmer would have hounded Boris or Sunak at PMQ for this behaviour.
 
Labour called exactly that scenario corruption when a Tory donor got a pass. Rightly as well because it is, cash for access is corruption.

You must have a strong sense of cognitive dissonance and backache from how far you're bending over for Labour here.

The public won't stand for hypocrisy it's the one thing that tends to be universally disliked. A minority like yourself might cling to Labour only needing to be less bad than the Tories but ultimately Labour will be held to the standard they demanded of the Tories.

You know Starmer would have hounded Boris or Sunak at PMQ for this behaviour.

Fair go if you can’t be fcuked to, but have you got a link to the Tory in question?

I honestly don’t see why it’s cash for access when it’s on record that this person did work for the Labour team.

By comparison, My mate had an access pass for a few weeks. Granted, he was an electrician and was also working across British embassies across the world, so had additional clearances, but it really is just a pass that sees you skip full security and not check in and out through the main process.

The right wing press calling it an ‘all access pass’ is mad. It’s not that at all. He’ll have still been radioed in and checked at the door. It’s not like he had a key to the place.

Unless I’ve got it completely wrong.
 
I didn't expect the party to turn on him quite so quickly. I didn't think he'd see out a term before he was stabbed in the back, he might not even make a year.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Starmer has embraced this sort of politics to get to where he is, he can hardly complain when it's his turn to get stabbed in the back.
 
Fair go if you can’t be fcuked to, but have you got a link to the Tory in question?

I honestly don’t see why it’s cash for access when it’s on record that this person did work for the Labour team.

By comparison, My mate had an access pass for a few weeks. Granted, he was an electrician and was also working across British embassies across the world, so had additional clearances, but it really is just a pass that sees you skip full security and not check in and out through the main process.

The right wing press calling it an ‘all access pass’ is mad. It’s not that at all. He’ll have still been radioed in and checked at the door. It’s not like he had a key to the place.

Unless I’ve got it completely wrong.

It was probably the JCB Owner since he was the most high profile.

He didn't work for the Labour government in any official capacity which is the key. It goes without saying that these people are consulted for their views and industry expertise, it's those views they've paid to have heard. That's always the governments line as it was under the Tories, speaking to industry (who happened to have paid us).

I think some in here have a fundamental misunderstanding of how bribes work. There's a good reason in my industry (financial services) that gifts have been stripped back to nothing from the loads money era. Those gifts didn't put investor's interests first, in the same way government donations don't put public interest first.

It isn't that someone is paid directly to say or do something, it's access and it's the implication of how that gravy train can be maintained. They become a client that needs to be kept sweet and suddenly everything is viewed from that angle.

If people want to donate tens of thousands to a party then fine but they shouldn't get anything for that money. It should be treated the same as a small blind donation, support for what the party is doing not for what it can do for me.