Westminster Politics 2024-2029

Eplel said:
You can like someone and not feel sympathy for them when they complain for financial matters, when they're well off, while most people in this country struggle.
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I understand, I don't work like that.

I don't know if its a good thing or bad. I've never judged people by money - couldn't careless if you was rich or poor.

I think its because I was poor, I walked past this place every day on the way to school.

I had NOTHING back then.

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The Purley King said:
The above is showing the knock on effect of people from disadvantaged backgrounds who might get bursaries and scholarships to a private school and now won’t be getting them as they’ll be probably be of the first things on the chopping block to reduce or get rid of entirely in order to swallow the vat rise.
Not the same thing, although caused by the same policy.
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The Charity Commission could take a stronger line. A school must give out bursaries and scholarships of a certain value, otherwise their charitable status is at risk. Currently such schools only have to do more than de minimise, the bare minimum.
 
Eplel said:
Imagine if British people cared more about making sure public education is good enough that you don't need these exception scholarships.
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I agree completely.
I’m fortunate enough to send my kids to private school (they are 9 and 10) and the opportunities they have are way beyond what I had in primary school.
The hike in fees to senior school and the vat increase is pushing us to a decision about whether we can afford it any more. We probably won’t be able to, which is fine I’ve no gripes about that it’s just the situation and unless something unexpected happens they will go to the local state school for secondary education.
Having toured that school whilst the teachers seem enthusiastic, the facilities are way worse, the class sizes are much higher, kids aren’t streamed until year 9, meaning teaching is held back by the worst performing kids and the opportunities will be worse as well. Such is life and I’m not angling for a pity party.
This is the reality though, private schools are clearly ahead in terms of opportunity to try things , not necessarily educational standards in all cases. If I had enough money I’d opt for private every time.
I just can’t see that a vat increase is going to move the dial enough to make a material difference to state education and that’s even assuming the funds raised by this will go towards schooling or whether they’ll be funnelled elsewhere. They can’t hire enough teachers as it is. I also believe (anecdotally) that government have underestimated how many private school kids will be moved to state schools. I know of 6 kids in my year 6 child’s class (out of 21 kids) that won’t be going to the senior school meaning they will take the place of someone in the local state school, or add to already large class sizes.
Apologies the post isn’t really cogent, more of a brain dump, but I don’t think it’s as easy as £1bn or whatever it is fixing state education when the problems run far deeper than that and there doesn’t seem much appetite for actually fixing anything. Don’t think it’s a “people don’t care” issue more that successive governments don’t really care.
 
M16Red said:
Do you not like them?

Just don't understand it, I think other people in my family compare us young members of the family, we call each other all the time to help out - we don't compete, we work together to get better.

if my cuz called me to pick them up from anywhere i'd do it, or give them money i would. (i wouldn't even loan it). I take my family members out for meals all the time and i pay for it, i wouldn't ask them for anything and it works both ways.
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I like them, I just don't understand their decision making, which is very different to mine. I don't believe that private education should be legal and that kids should have equal opportunities regardless of how much cash their parents have.
 
M16Red said:
I understand, I don't work like that.

I don't know if its a good thing or bad. I've never judged people by money - couldn't careless if you was rich or poor.

I think its because I was poor, I walked past this place every day on the way to school.

I had NOTHING back then.

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You walked past Hulme Crescents, I walked past grotty flats 7 miles east of the on my way to school too.

That doesn't change my view that education should be free and choosing to spend tens of thousands on a service that is provided for free is a personal choice. If it suddenly increases in cost, then tough luck, you'll just have to buy a smaller car next time or forgo two holidays out of four. It's not a real hardship for the people who are in that financial position. And should you genuinely not be able to afford it, luckily there are places that will actually teach your kids for free.
 
decorativeed said:
I like them, I just don't understand their decision making, which is very different to mine. I don't believe that private education should be legal and that kids should have equal opportunities regardless of how much cash their parents have.
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So universities are out of the question then for you?

If I had the money I wouldn't send the kids to private secondary school, I'd send them to a private prep schools much more important in my view. Partly because I've got really bad dyslexia and support I got in primary was crap, I was just called thick ha ha. I think it's hereditary, so if I spotted it with one of my children 100% I'd pay, because its frankly a nightmare.

Reading in public took me 10 years to fix.
 
M16Red said:
So universities are out of the question then for you?

If I had the money I wouldn't send the kids to private secondary school, I'd send them to a private prep schools much more important in my view. Partly because I've got really bad dyslexia and support I got in primary was crap, I was just called thick ha ha. I think it's hereditary, so if I spotted it with one of my children 100% I'd pay, because its frankly a nightmare.

Reading in public took me 10 years to fix.
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Tbf I think understanding of things like dyslexia is generally streets ahead of where it used to be when we were kids. I'm sure it's still better in private schools but it would be unlikely to be as bad as you experienced in any school nowadays I think.
 
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M16Red said:
So universities are out of the question then for you?

If I had the money I wouldn't send the kids to private secondary school, I'd send them to a private prep schools much more important in my view. Partly because I've got really bad dyslexia and support I got in primary was crap, I was just called thick ha ha. I think it's hereditary, so if I spotted it with one of my children 100% I'd pay, because its frankly a nightmare.

Reading in public took me 10 years to fix.
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When me and you were wailing past ugly blocks of flats, University education was free, wasn't it?
 
TwoSheds said:
Tbf I think understanding of things like dyslexia is generally streets ahead of where it used to be when we were kids. I'm sure it's still better in private schools but it would be unlikely to be as bad as you experienced in any school nowadays I think.
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My friend is the head of Senco for the council, they are stretched beyond belief - they struggle because, her words not mine kids are messed-up and parents just don't give feck. One kid could take up two teachers resources and another friend is the head of English (she did her thesis on dyslexia) she said that teaching is dangerous now and lots are off in her school with stress.

For me it's not about the quality it's about the environment and the retention of staff private schools tend to have there pick, IMO
decorativeed said:
When me and you were wailing past ugly blocks of flats, University education was free, wasn't it?
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Never went couldn't afford it or/and wasn't academically clever. Collage was, but I couldn't afford to move somewhere. if i could, think i would have gone to Bournemouth as far away as possible from home
 
Sick freak Starmer made it clear his "number one item" was the release of Israeli hostages. Again putting on full display his racist supremacist views.

Hierarchies of suffering.

He is vermin.
 
dumbo said:
Sick freak Starmer made it clear his "number one item" was the release of Israeli hostages. Again putting on full display his racist supremacist views.

Hierarchies of suffering.

He is vermin.
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Victoria Alexander (Starmer) Her father Bernard, an economics lecturer and observant Jew, was born to a Polish-Jewish family that emigrated to the United Kingdom prior to World War II
 
M16Red said:
Victoria Alexander (Starmer) Her father Bernard, an economics lecturer and observant Jew, was born to a Polish-Jewish family that emigrated to the United Kingdom prior to World War II
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Thanks for providing that context. It often helps to understand why someone is a racist scumbag.
 
Pexbo said:
Thanks for providing that context. It often helps to understand why someone is a racist scumbag.
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I don't think he is a racist, I think people don't realise that his wife and children are brought up within the Jewish faith.

I also think his far right labeling comments are very dangerous after all his wife's feather fled Germany to come to England. To make a sweeping statement labelling all anti migrant protesters (not rioters) as such sets division within the country IMO.
 
M16Red said:
I don't think he is a racist, I think people don't realise that his wife and children are brought up within the Jewish faith.

I also think his far right labeling comments are very dangerous after all his wife's feather fled Germany to come to England. To make a sweeping statement labelling all anti migrant protesters (not rioters) as such sets division within the country IMO.
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He recently went out of his way to cross the floor and shake hands with farage.

He hasn't spoken to apsana begum, an mp in his own party subject to horrific abuse by her ex husband and his mates, all party members I might add, in the 4 years hes been leader.

If he isn't a racist, he does a very good impression of one.
 
M16Red said:
I also think his far right labeling comments are very dangerous after all his wife's feather fled Germany to come to England. To make a sweeping statement labelling all anti migrant protesters (not rioters) as such sets division within the country IMO.
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I dunno man, people clutch pearls over the strangest stuff. I re-read what he said and he was clearly talking about the people participating in the violence.I would have more sympathy if so many of these anti migrant protesters were working a bit harder not to be far right adjacent. These are their bedfellows, like it or not.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
He recently went out of his way to cross the floor and shake hands with farage.

He hasn't spoken to apsana begum, an mp in his own party subject to horrific abuse by her ex husband and his mates, all party members I might add, in the 4 years hes been leader.

If he isn't a racist, he does a very good impression of one.
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Wonder what Lord Ali thinks, i mean he's his "mate" :smirk:....
 
The Purley King said:
Don’t think it’s a “people don’t care” issue more that successive governments don’t really care.
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Vat on private education fees, removal of pensioner winter fuel allowance, keeping child benefit at 2 children only, inheritance tax on land, increases in national insurance, etc., these are all examples of Labour demonstrating that everyone has to contribute to filling in the hole in our finances.

'Hard choices', are they really that hard compared with some of the austerity, in particular the poorer elements of society, has been faced with in this country in recent times?
 
Maticmaker said:
Vat on private education fees, removal of pensioner winter fuel allowance, keeping child benefit at 2 children only, inheritance tax on land, increases in national insurance, etc., these are all examples of Labour demonstrating that everyone has to contribute to filling in the hole in our finances.

'Hard choices', are they really that hard compared with some of the austerity, in particular the poorer elements of society, has been faced with in this country in recent times?
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Sorry I was meaning education specifically. There doesn’t appear to be much appetite to try and drag state education up to nearer where private schools are.
 
Maticmaker said:
Vat on private education fees, removal of pensioner winter fuel allowance, keeping child benefit at 2 children only, inheritance tax on land, increases in national insurance, etc., these are all examples of Labour demonstrating that everyone has to contribute to filling in the hole in our finances.

'Hard choices', are they really that hard compared with some of the austerity, in particular the poorer elements of society, has been faced with in this country in recent times?
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Everyone?

I think there's one segment of society that's doing quite well out of the new government.
 
Pexbo said:
I wonder if Luke Akehurst’s best friends in Israel are the ones we’d have to purchase the “iron dome” from?
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Before Luke became director of We beleive in israel, and was essentially a state funded lobbyist for a foriegn country, he worked as a PR man for weapons manufacturers.
 
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