Westminster Politics 2024-2029

Surprised it took this long given how she behaved at the last election. It was shameless how she tried milk the Tory and Reform teets simultaneously.
She was waiting to see how the 'mop-flopped' in the leadership race. Once the 'pit-bull' Kemi won, Andrea has bet the lot on Reform. If Starmer slips up in 2029 it will be a Reform/Tory coalition that takes over, with Nigel in the PM position.

Then God help us, the new state benefit system will be the 'workhouse' ....or the street.
 
She was waiting to see how the 'mop-flopped' in the leadership race. Once the 'pit-bull' Kemi won, Andrea has bet the lot on Reform. If Starmer slips up in 2029 it will be a Reform/Tory coalition that takes over, with Nigel in the PM position.

Then God help us, the new state benefit system will be the 'workhouse' ....or the street.
They aren't gonna fund workhouses, best get your tent before stocks run out
 
She was waiting to see how the 'mop-flopped' in the leadership race. Once the 'pit-bull' Kemi won, Andrea has bet the lot on Reform. If Starmer slips up in 2029 it will be a Reform/Tory coalition that takes over, with Nigel in the PM position.

Then God help us, the new state benefit system will be the 'workhouse' ....or the street.
Yup. I’ll be fecked
 
An unbelievable cretin.
Except when he said that, net migration had been 200k or so in the years prior, high by historic standards but largely manageable. Since then it has exploded to 3-4 times that level. Of course the govt approach is going to be different. It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
 
Except when he said that, net migration had been 200k or so in the years prior, high by historic standards but largely manageable. Since then it has exploded to 3-4 times that level. Of course the govt approach is going to be different. It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

I guess he'll be making the positive case for migration at a lower level then? Can you point me to that in his speech?

I have no idea why some of you lot are such sycophants, just waiting for the next thing to diligently defend as if you're his press officer. We all know his speech is just political theatre bullshit, if they need to do that fine but random people don't need to excuse it.

A massive portion of those figures are student visas which weren't even previously counted by the ONS. Student migrants are a net plus to our economy.

The NHS desperately need migration and again those migrants would be a net benefit to the economy.

There's a reason he refused to go into any detail or define acceptable levels. He's using migrants as a whole as a cheap tool to kick the Tories without any care to what it does to the migrant community and the bullshit narratives.
 
I guess he'll be making the positive case for migration at a lower level then? Can you point me to that in his speech?

I have no idea why some of you lot are such sycophants, just waiting for the next thing to diligently defend as if you're his press officer. We all know his speech is just political theatre bullshit, if they need to do that fine but random people don't need to excuse it.

A massive portion of those figures are student visas which weren't even previously counted by the ONS. Student migrants are a net plus to our economy.

The NHS desperately need migration and again those migrants would be a net benefit to the economy.

There's a reason he refused to go into any detail or define acceptable levels. He's using migrants as a whole as a cheap tool to kick the Tories without any care to what it does to the migrant community and the bullshit narratives.
Immigration is perhaps thr biggest issue in the country and is directly fuelling the rise of the far right. Not far off a million people a year were coming in at one point. You are completely detached from reality if you think a government isn't going to try to address that. Completely mad.
 
Immigration is perhaps thr biggest issue in the country and is directly fuelling the rise of the far right.
Its fuelling the far right indeed, which is why the prime minister shouldn't be legitimising the bullshit. Like you are.

It wasn't a million immigrants, around 50% are students who were not included in statistics, because they go home. Foreign students fund our universities, and the tories began including them in immigration purely so they could fearmonger.

Starmer knows this, and so do you. He keeps doing it because hes a right wing dick, not sure why you are.
 
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Damn this is a pre-requisite for being a Tory based on how hard it was to get those cnuts to resign.

You have to assume there's more to this and she's bailed out now before it gets dug up. Politicians cling to power like limpets. They don't give up in one morning.
 
You have to assume there's more to this and she's bailed out now before it gets dug up. Politicians cling to power like limpets. They don't give up in one morning.
What more is there, the story is not there. the punishment was the lowest posssible that can be given and the conviction is now spent. It’s my hypocrisy from the press whilst the Reform wife beater gets little to no coverage. Not all politicans should be tarred by the same brush.
 

While I don't think it's a big deal, I also think that it's good to see Labour trying to set some form of parliamentary standard. The shit the Tories got away with was abhorrent.

Not that it'll matter of course, the press will continue to see stuff like this as a big deal but forgive Farage and Boris for much worse.
 
Immigration is perhaps thr biggest issue in the country and is directly fuelling the rise of the far right. Not far off a million people a year were coming in at one point. You are completely detached from reality if you think a government isn't going to try to address that. Completely mad.

It's like an AI trained on Labour media lines. It's okay if you don't have an actual answer to the points raised, sadly neither do Labour.
 
While I don't think it's a big deal, I also think that it's good to see Labour trying to set some form of parliamentary standard. The shit the Tories got away with was abhorrent.

Not that it'll matter of course, the press will continue to see stuff like this as a big deal but forgive Farage and Boris for much worse.
I’m all for standards but I don’t think this is a resigning matter. The conviction is spent. It’s ironic the right wing have a problem with the MSM yet it always appear up the right wing’s arse.
 
Its fuelling the far right indeed, which is why the prime minister shouldn't be legitimising the bullshit. Like you are.

It wasn't a million immigrants, around 50% are students who were not included in statistics, because they go home. Foreign students fund our universities, and the tories began including them in immigration purely so they could fearmonger.

Starmer knows this, and so do you. He keeps doing it because hes a right wing dick, not sure why you are.
Oh please. He's doing it because it's a massive political problem that extremists are capitalising on. It isn't "legitimising" it - it is already a legitimate public concern. Of course we need immigration, at a high level too, but if you are seriously saying it's an issue that should not be discussed by anyone, then you have handed the issue to Farage, who is far more dangerous than Starmer is. I mean how disconnected from current political reality do you have to be, to not see this.
 
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What more is there, the story is not there. the punishment was the lowest posssible that can be given and the conviction is now spent. It’s my hypocrisy from the press whilst the Reform wife beater gets little to no coverage. Not all politicans should be tarred by the same brush.

She wouldn't resign so quickly if that were all it was. The press didn't turn on her, they didn't have time. I expect there's something else she's done that she doesn't want people incentivised to go and look for.
 
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She wouldn't resign so quickly if that were all it was. I expect there's something else she's done that she doesn't want people incentivised to go and look for.
That is possibly true, but Starmer is untouchable just now as he has put out all his 'bad news' already, and the issues that may arrive with Trump, are not really 'in-play' as yet, so there is nothing else for the press to do but attack his government by going after his MP's.
Since more than half Labours MP's are 'newbie's and hence relatively unknown, the press will have a field-day, scouring their personal records for, e.g. 'bumped up' CV's (RR), unpaid or cancelled parking tickets (that mates on their local council may have got them 'a good turn' done) and any other run of the mill stuff they can make a story out of that will have some 'legs'.
Wouldn't be surprised if that old chestnut of "man bites dog" headline appears in some form or another connected to a Labour MP.
 
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Yep, people have no idea what is about to happen as soon as these lot sign them 30 year contracts (like they did with PFI).

But look farage, keir or whoever... they are cnuts, I hate them blah blah blah - really we should care about policies, not the daft feckers making them.

I think they are ALL a huge bunch of tw*ts only out for themselves.
 
Yep, people have no idea what is about to happen as soon as these lot sign them 30 year contracts (like they did with PFI).

But look farage, keir or whoever... they are cnuts, I hate them blah blah blah - really we should care about policies, not the daft feckers making them.

I think they are ALL a huge bunch of tw*ts only out for themselves.
You realise those asset managers are being sued by oil states who hate their ESG agenda?
 
You realise those asset managers are being sued by oil states who hate their ESG agenda?
Emails have revealed the high-wire act performed by major banks and the world’s biggest asset manager, BlackRock, as they privately soothe oil industry concerns about their public support for greener investment.
In his annual letter to chief executives, BlackRock boss Larry Fink said that pursuing climate action policies was not about being “woke” but was about pursuing profits on behalf of clients.

After the meeting with BlackRock staff, on 7 January 2022, the chair of the Texas oil regulator, Wayne Christian, wrote to the company expressing his relief.
He said he had been concerned by the asset manager’s promotion of investments governed by environmental and social guidelines (ESG), which typically involve selling out of oil and gas stocks.
He said that it was “nice to hear that BlackRock didn’t mean – or no longer believes – many of the disagreeable things the company and … Mr Fink have said about the oil and gas industry”.
In an attached letter, Christian said BlackRock’s staff had referred to “media misrepresentations” about its environmental stance and had also declared themselves “supportive” of the oil and gas industry.

Replying to Christian, a BlackRock employee did not question his interpretation of the discussion but pointed to comments made by Fink, saying that “traditional” energy companies were “part of the solution” alongside environmental investment policies.

BlackRock said there was no contradiction between its public statements and its private conversations with Christian.

https://theguardian.com/environment...industry-fears-over-its-new-green-credentials
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Oh yeah, I'm well aware that BlackRock remains a significant investor in fossil fuels -I invested in its World Mining trust years back- and Larry Fink's stance, including him stopping using the term ESG. I was just questioning what the hell M16's bizarre PFI rant had to do with red states suing fund firms that run ESG mandates.
 
Oh yeah, I'm well aware that BlackRock remains a significant investor in fossil fuels -I invested in its World Mining trust years back- and Larry Fink's stance, including him stopping using the term ESG. I was just questioning what the hell M16's bizarre PFI rant had to do with red states suing fund firms that run ESG mandates.
Tbf I think MI6 point is we will look back and regret the BlackRock and Labour government relationship in a similar way to PFI.
 
Tbf I think MI6 point is we will look back and regret the BlackRock and Labour government relationship in a similar way to PFI.
Odd way to do it through tacitly supporting the batshit environmental policies -and self interest over oil- of hard right US politicians though.
 
She wouldn't resign so quickly if that were all it was. The press didn't turn on her, they didn't have time. I expect there's something else she's done that she doesn't want people incentivised to go and look for.
The press have gone all out on a spent conviction whilst ignore the wife beating Reform voter. It’s a spent conviction with the lowest level with punishment. Your expectations on something else aren’t based on anything other than what other politicans do.
 
Odd way to do it through tacitly supporting the batshit environmental policies -and self interest over oil- of hard right US politicians though.
It’s not really tacitly support. Just a example showing how shite BlackRock are. To quote comrade Lenin - both are worse.
 
Not about her conviction, which starmer has known about for years.

Its simply another roll of the 'shes too left wing' dice for the mandelsson mafia.

 
Oh please. He's doing it because it's a massive political problem that extremists are capitalising on. It isn't "legitimising" it - it is already a legitimate public concern. Of course we need immigration, at a high level too, but if you are seriously saying it's an issue that should not be discussed by anyone, then you have handed the issue to Farage, who is far more dangerous than Starmer is. I mean how disconnected from current political reality do you have to be, to not see this.

These million a year immigrants.

Over 70% of them come here for two reasons. One is to be students - they are funding our universities and they go home after they finish, the other is work, they already have jobs here. Many of those are doctors, nurses and other essential NHS staff.

Starmer's job is to explain this, not pander to nigel farage, Because when you pander to nigel farage, the only winner is nigel farage.

If you want to have tice or someone like him as PM, keep cheerleading these idiots, but don't complain when it happens. Because if you want to know exactly how it happens, you are looking at it.