Wesley Sneijder

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RedKaos said:
Do we really have any players like that though?

Rooney perhaps but we've already catered to his ego with that lucrative contract we've given him. No one else strikes me as the kind of player who'd be a little upset if we gave Wes a fat wage.

Nani might insist on a better contract, but I wouldn't say no to letting him go :nervous:
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Instantly bothered, no, but it sets a precedent on future contracts and that damages our wage structure.

Sqaud Player: "I think I deserve closer to £90,000 than £75,000 because Sneijder's on £200,000".

That one player then costs another £780,000 a year.... and then another 10 players do the same and you have nearly £8m a year extra on your wage bill. That £8m we can't afford because it is the difference in us keeping inside out £Net Income to Wage Bill Percentage which I think we like to keep below 50% IIRC.
 
Zarlak said:
Nothing's imminent at this moment in time. Obviously we're trying but we've signed three players and we're very comfortable with that," said Sir Alex.


Imminent means like, tomorrow. There is well over a month go to yet. That classes as not imminent. You're saying that we won't, we won't, the media make it all up and then post a quote where SAF says 'obviously we are trying' to sign another.
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I'm not sure that I actually said we won't sign anyone, but quote me on it if you like & I'll stand corrected.

But I do stand by the media making everything up.

He might be talking about Nasri, who we have actually put a bid in for. Why not?
 
Colin129 said:
I'm not sure that I actually said we won't sign anyone, but quote me on it if you like & I'll stand corrected.

But I do stand by the media making everything up.

He might be talking about Nasri, who we have actually put a bid in for. Why not?
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How do you know we put in a bid for Nasri?
 
Colin129 said:
I'm not sure that I actually said we won't sign anyone, but quote me on it if you like & I'll stand corrected.

But I do stand by the media making everything up.

He might be talking about Nasri, who we have actually put a bid in for. Why not?
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You said that SAF said that we were never in for Sneijder. You've then posted post after post of 'the media just make it up, we have no interest in Sneijder' when he's been asked about Sneijder and replied something along the lines of 'we will have to see what happens with that' when he said that we missed out on Nasri it's safe to assume that Sneijder has a higher probability than Nasri due to SAFs quotes.

The media do not make everything up. This seems to be a crusade of yours. They report some made up stuff up, they report some true stuff.
 
Zarlak said:
You said that SAF said that we were never in for Sneijder. You've then posted post after post of 'the media just make it up, we have no interest in Sneijder' when he's been asked about Sneijder and replied something along the lines of 'we will have to see what happens with that' when he said that we missed out on Nasri it's safe to assume that Sneijder has a higher probability than Nasri due to SAFs quotes.

The media do not make everything up. This seems to be a crusade of yours. They report some made up stuff up, they report some true stuff.
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I say its all made up and the law of averages dictates that some of it will be true.

At least you are prepared to admit that they do lie now, but how do you sort the wheat from the chaff?
 
Colin129 said:
So SAF might be bluffing, but this idiot random journalist is telling the gospel truth?

I suggest SAF is saying they are not close to a deal on anyone yet and the idiot journalist is just that, an idiot.
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Fergie also said that he doesn't know what's really going on with that stuff since he's come over to the US. Which I find extremely strange. Fergie, Gill et all try provide as little information or obscure the truth as much as they can when it comes to transfers. So him saying nothing is imminent is like him saying Soandso coming off an injury is definitely not playing on Saturday on a Friday presser and not only does Soandso play but, starts and looks like a beast out there.

Listening to the Agnew guy, his take from normally dealing with these kinds of things is that if they have something to refute, then they will. If they aren't working on a deal of any kind with Sneijder then there wouldn't be any harm in saying no we aren't working on anything at all with them at this time. However, instead when can't really comment on anything, then one can infer that something is going on in the background which can't be talked about as it could affect that work.
 
Colin129 said:
Didn't they admit as much, or was that media bollocks aswell?

There's so many lies going about I can't remember which bits are true & which made up.
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I only ever read media reports about it. Which might be true but the same papers also reported that the Sneijder deal was done.
 
Pexbo said:
Instantly bothered, no, but it sets a precedent on future contracts and that damages our wage structure.

Sqaud Player: "I think I deserve closer to £90,000 than £75,000 because Sneijder's on £200,000".

That one player then costs another £780,000 a year.... and then another 10 players do the same and you have nearly £8m a year extra on your wage bill. That £8m we can't afford because it is the difference in us keeping inside out £Net Income to Wage Bill Percentage which I think we like to keep below 50% IIRC.
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How does that work then? "One of the best players in the world earns x, therfore by extension I deserve y even though I'm nowhere near as good".

What will actually happen is that squad player might ask for 90k a week and the club will probably say "no chance, if you think you can get it elsewhere then best of luck".

While top players earning may be going up, generally other clubs are tightening their belts over the last couple of years. Increasing one players salary wont therefore neccessarily result in every player obtaining parity.

Besides. I´m sure many people get paid sizeable sums to crunch the nuimbers and make it viable.
 
fergie have already stated there is nothing to report on Sneijder, so until he say otherwise, we can forget about him coming.
 
RedRover said:
How does that work then? "One of the best players in the world earns x, therfore by extension I deserve y even though I'm nowhere near as good".

What will actually happen is that squad player might ask for 90k a week and the club will probably say "no chance, if you think you can get it elsewhere then best of luck".

While top players earning may be going up, generally other clubs are tightening their belts over the last couple of years. Increasing one players salary wont therefore neccessarily result in every player obtaining parity.

Besides. I´m sure many people get paid sizeable sums to crucnh the nuimbers and make it viable.
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You think Sneijder is better in his position than Nani and Vidic, for example, are in theirs?

pocco said:
Why do people keep ignoring Fergie when he's saying that we will give the youth a chance. Fergie might think they're ready, scholes definitely does, yet the caf insists that they aren't ready and we need to spunk £30 mill+ on a midfielder.
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Scholes has been quoted as saying he'd love to see a player like Sneijder at the club.
 
pocco said:
Why do people keep ignoring Fergie when he's saying that we will give the youth a chance. Fergie might think they're ready, scholes definitely does, yet the caf insists that they aren't ready and we need to spunk £30 mill+ on a midfielder.
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Because despite his comments he hasn't taken Pogba or Morrison on the tour - while Obertan is there for some inexplicable reason and even played in the first game - and Tunnicliffe has been loaned out. And last season Cleverley was loaned out after SAF had assured us he would stay.
 
cina said:
You think Sneijder is better in his position than Nani and Vidic, for example, are in theirs?
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They're different types of players.

I think he's being valued as 'World class' on the basis of the impact he'll have for his team. More specifically for us we can be certain that he'll add a creative spark we're missing in midfield.
 
pocco said:
Why do people keep ignoring Fergie when he's saying that we will give the youth a chance. Fergie might think they're ready, scholes definitely does, yet the caf insists that they aren't ready and we need to spunk £30 mill+ on a midfielder.
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What SAF seems to say is that he's keeping his options open. If he doesn't get a new player then he will have to rely on the youths. We've lost two quality CM, Giggs is 38 and we look set of losing another CM (Gibson). Despite all we are set to take only 1 young CM at the tour (Cleverley). If SAF thinks that the kids are ready then he would have at least taken them to the tour
 
Colin129 said:
I say its all made up and the law of averages dictates that some of it will be true.

At least you are prepared to admit that they do lie now, but how do you sort the wheat from the chaff?
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I've never denied that they don't make stuff up. My issue is around the assumption that everything is false.

You don't sort the wheat from the chaff, you read the stories and wait and see what happens. You make your own opinions up, talk about how good Wesley will be at United if we sign him, rather than debating whether the article is true or false. Nobody knows the answer to that but SAF and Gill and they won't share it with you or me. So you (not meaning you, talking in general) wait and see and talk about the player himself rather than pointlessly trying to prove every article is false etc.
 
Slightly tangential but what was made of the the Nike.com description that labelled him a United player? I heard someone on twitter call it 'the work of computer nerds' . . .
 
pocco said:
Why do people keep ignoring Fergie when he's saying that we will give the youth a chance. Fergie might think they're ready, scholes definitely does, yet the caf insists that they aren't ready and we need to spunk £30 mill+ on a midfielder.
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It's you that's ignoring Fergie. He said we will give the youth a chance or we will identify someone.
 
Zarlak said:
I've never denied that they don't make stuff up. My issue is around the assumption that everything is false.

You don't sort the wheat from the chaff, you read the stories and wait and see what happens. You make your own opinions up, talk about how good Wesley will be at United if we sign him, rather than debating whether the article is true or false. Nobody knows the answer to that but SAF and Gill and they won't share it with you or me. So you (not meaning you, talking in general) wait and see and talk about the player himself rather than pointlessly trying to prove every article is false etc.
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Yes but the law of transfer muppetry dictates that you take any little titbit bollocks bit of recycled made up news & then parade it as gospel truth...

I work on the assumption that it is all bollocks & wait for something to actually happen.

Is that means I'm not that good at being a transfer muppet, then so be it...

I did get quite excited when I thought we were going to sign Nasri for £20M though...;)
 
Why don't we just tell Nike to increase their endorsement contract with Sneijder by the difference in what we're offering and what he wants or else we'll switch to Adidas? Someone find me David Gill's phone number, I'll ring him and get this sorted.
 
cina said:
Scholes has been quoted as saying he'd love to see a player like Sneijder at the club.
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He also said that he's certain these youth players are ready to go into the first team immediately. If this is the case, and fergie agrees, then it can not be ignored. Those youth players are the priority to our manager and that has always been the case. As a United supporter it is the most exciting aspect of following the club. I'm just surprised that so many others dont seem to give a toss about themand would happily see us bring in lots of players that will reduce their game time.

Siorac said:
Because despite his comments he hasn't taken Pogba or Morrison on the tour - while Obertan is there for some inexplicable reason and even played in the first game - and Tunnicliffe has been loaned out. And last season Cleverley was loaned out after SAF had assured us he would stay.
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devilish said:
What SAF seems to say is that he's keeping his options open. If he doesn't get a new player then he will have to rely on the youths. We've lost two quality CM, Giggs is 38 and we look set of losing another CM (Gibson). Despite all we are set to take only 1 young CM at the tour (Cleverley). If SAF thinks that the kids are ready then he would have at least taken them to the tour
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There is a difference between playing a 40+ game season than a few games in America. There is enough games for all these players plus the youth players if they're deemed ready. The youth players are playing their own preseason games and despite them not beig on the tour, Fergie still thinks that they can stake a claim for first team football. Obviously them not going on tour doesn't matter to him.
 
I don't read any media stuff, this forum is where I get the facts, no bullshit, no speculation, nothing invented, just precise and accurate facts. :wenger:
 
605 viewers all pressing f5 like crazy.There'll be no new developments now.
 
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