We're about to go on a title run, stop with the negativity

Well if we are closer to the title, maybe we can buy somebody in December.. somebody as good as Bruno ??

However, I do not believe we are in the title race.. This team has too many holes for them to win consistently, our performance wavers from amazing to flat each game. Spurs were in the title race 3 games before and a couple of losses later they are struggling for Top 4. This season has been weird.

Are you saying this based on what you've seen or what you've seen and heard elsewhere? Because for the last 11/12 months we've been consistent, we've more points in the league in that period than any other team and that's not bad going at all.

Whilst I do feel it's too early to declare it a title race, we can only look at where we are and where we want to be and the fact is we're a pretty good team. We've been in very good form since January when you consider the year as a whole. Note that this doesn't mean I don't think we're capable of being in the race come April/May. I do. I just don't see how you can call things this early other than exceptional cases. Arsenal are not and have never been in a 'relegation dogfight' this season, but you don't have to try hard to find people who have said they are. The title race simply hasn't started yet, in my opinion.

For years I've told over excited Liverpool and Arsenal fans that they are getting too wet, top quickly. Get to 30 or so games and be in a similar position and that then is a title race.

We're in the best position since SAF left, I'm genuinely loving the direction the team is going in and felt next year is probably when we should be looking at a title challenge. This year I was hoping for progression again and a comfortable top 4 finish. We're well on course for that and what we've seen throughout Ole's time here is steady progression.

This is far and away the most we've looked like a Manchester United team since Fergie left. If you're anything other than at least intrigued as a United fan now then that sucks for you. I've personally really enjoyed our journey this last couple of years. It's been interesting, we've had some great results and we're moving in a much more positive and measured direction.

Our squad is a very good age, 2 or 3 more good signings can really take us up a level and I think we could have a really exciting team in the next year or so.
 
If we are still in this position after 25 games, then I'll start to believe we can challenge for the title. Our inconsistent form and as another poster has pointed out with what happened to Spurs just 3 game weeks before means this league has become too unpredictable now to predict anything. This is not just us but every team in the league. Leicester can lose to Fulham at home but beat Tottenham away. Aston Villa beat Liverpool 7-2 in October. Arsenal was on a wretched form losing to every team and they just are starting to pick up form. Even Liverpool doesn't seem like the team they were for the past two seasons and City has become very beatable these days. I refused to have any title winning thoughts until with 3/4 of the season played. And we should definitely add a core player in January. If we can add a player like Bruno, it will make a big statement.
 
I want to believe we can do it, but can't bring myself to (yet). The football simply isn't of a very high quality imo. It feels more like LVG getting us to the top or thereabouts around the winter break rather than us being brilliant. If Liverpool get 5 points in their next 3 (a win and two draws) it takes them to 38 points which is the equivalent of 76 over the course of the season which has shades of the Leicester year (shit year at the top ) But fingers crossed, and hopefully this is less of a false position/dawn than that. Would be absolutely incredible if we beat Liverpool at Anfield in a few week's time.
 
I want to believe we can do it, but can't bring myself to (yet). The football simply isn't of a very high quality imo. It feels more like LVG getting us to the top or thereabouts around the winter break rather than us being brilliant. If Liverpool get 5 points in their next 3 (a win and two draws) it takes them to 38 points which is the equivalent of 76 over the course of the season which has shades of the Leicester year (shit year at the top ) But fingers crossed, and hopefully this is less of a false position/dawn than that. Would be absolutely incredible if we beat Liverpool at Anfield in a few week's time.
If that happens that would be when I start to believe we can seriously challenge for the title this season.

They're unbeaten in the league since 2017 and I would love for us to end that streak. Feels like we are due a win against them too.
 
If that happens that would be when I start to believe we can seriously challenge for the title this season.

They're unbeaten in the league since 2017 and I would love for us to end that streak. Feels like we are due a win against them too.
To be honest I'll take a draw to maintain the gap. But we need to perform and show our progress
 
I want to believe we can do it, but can't bring myself to (yet). The football simply isn't of a very high quality imo. It feels more like LVG getting us to the top or thereabouts around the winter break rather than us being brilliant. If Liverpool get 5 points in their next 3 (a win and two draws) it takes them to 38 points which is the equivalent of 76 over the course of the season which has shades of the Leicester year (shit year at the top ) But fingers crossed, and hopefully this is less of a false position/dawn than that. Would be absolutely incredible if we beat Liverpool at Anfield in a few week's time.
what is bizarre is that beating Liverpool is far more in our repertoire than beating Wolves :lol:

As champions and league leaders they will come at us with everything they have. So long as Maguire and Fred can stay resolute, we will just pick them off on the counter at will, especially as they have so many centre backs now unavailable. The adrenaline will ensure our strikers are lethal on that day.

Really hope we can fit in this game before the circuit break.
 
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Looking at it. This is really our golden chance to win the league.

All big teams are struggling this season and dropping points left, right and center. Liverpool dropped 4 points against the likes of Fulham and West Brom. City are having a bang average season. Chelsea have won one of their last 5 matches. Spurs have won one in their last 6 as well.

Even with our terrible start, we are currently the team in form in the league. It's a golden chance for us if we manage to keep Bruno fit and keep grinding wins, we can either win it all or at least have a pretty close title race.

Win the next and avoid any loss against Liverpool and I will be pleased. This season can be a lot of fun from here going forward (well, as long as they don't postpone due to COVID outbreak or something).
 
Looking at it. This is really our golden chance to win the league.

All big teams are struggling this season and dropping points left, right and center. Liverpool dropped 4 points against the likes of Fulham and West Brom. City are having a bang average season. Chelsea have won one of their last 5 matches. Spurs have won one in their last 6 as well.

Even with our terrible start, we are currently the team in form in the league. It's a golden chance for us if we manage to keep Bruno fit and keep grinding wins, we can either win it all or at least have a pretty close title race.

Win the next and avoid any loss against Liverpool and I will be pleased. This season can be a lot of fun from here going forward (well, as long as they don't postpone due to COVID outbreak or something).
Really hope Ole rests all key players for the Europa. Good tournament for our very talented youth and bench players to get game time
 
what is bizarre is that beating Liverpool is far more in our repertoire than beating Wolves :lol:

As champions and league leaders they will come at us with everything they have. So long as Maguire and Fred can stay resolute, we will just pick them off on the counter at will, especially as they have so many centre backs now unavailable. Ghe adrenaline will ensure our strikers are lethal on that day.

Really hope we can fit in this game before the circuit break.
It's the first time in 30 years they'll play us as Champions. Wish fans could be there for that, it would be an electric atmosphere!
 
Looking at it. This is really our golden chance to win the league.

All big teams are struggling this season and dropping points left, right and center. Liverpool dropped 4 points against the likes of Fulham and West Brom. City are having a bang average season. Chelsea have won one of their last 5 matches. Spurs have won one in their last 6 as well.

Even with our terrible start, we are currently the team in form in the league. It's a golden chance for us if we manage to keep Bruno fit and keep grinding wins, we can either win it all or at least have a pretty close title race.

Win the next and avoid any loss against Liverpool and I will be pleased. This season can be a lot of fun from here going forward (well, as long as they don't postpone due to COVID outbreak or something).

Grinding wins is really the key. We arent the finished article at all but we have shown mental determination and flashes of class. Some fans are looking for perfection at the expense of success in the interim, even begrudging it. But this imperfect team needs to show guts and then good things will happen for us.

Thats why Fernandes is our spirit animal. He has class, is not perfect, but he fights his heart out to win.
 
I've been saying consistently that:

1. Our PPG under Ole is pretty close to the top since Ole joined. Even when you account for the period where we were super inconsistent in 2019. If you just look at 2020 (basically since bruno joined), we're the best team in the league results wise.

2. With some luck with injuries (no long term layoffs for either bruno or rashford), we will put together a decent title bid.

3. I don't expect us to actually win the title this year. As long as we don't finish >10 points behind Liverpool come end of season, it counts as progress. Have a proper RW next season and we'll challenge in 21/22.

4. I expect us to win _something_ this year. Don't care if it's the league cup / fa cup / euros but we need some silverware.

So Caf, please don't meltdown as soon as we have 1-2 poor results because they will come eventually.
 
I still think Liverpool will win the league but United will run them close.

I also don’t think any team is getting anywhere near 100 points this season. The league will probably be won by 85 points or something.
 
what is bizarre is that beating Liverpool is far more in our repertoire than beating Wolves :lol:

As champions and league leaders they will come at us with everything they have. So long as Maguire and Fred can stay resolute, we will just pick them off on the counter at will, especially as they have so many centre backs now unavailable. The adrenaline will ensure our strikers are lethal on that day.

Really hope we can fit in this game before the circuit break.
The result of the Liverpool vs United game will depend on whether Thiago is fit by then.

If he’s not, United will pick off Liverpool on the counter attack.

If he is fit, United’s counters will become significantly less dangerous because Thiago will simply dribble through the press.
 
Are you saying this based on what you've seen or what you've seen and heard elsewhere? Because for the last 11/12 months we've been consistent, we've more points in the league in that period than any other team and that's not bad going at all.

Whilst I do feel it's too early to declare it a title race, we can only look at where we are and where we want to be and the fact is we're a pretty good team. We've been in very good form since January when you consider the year as a whole. Note that this doesn't mean I don't think we're capable of being in the race come April/May. I do. I just don't see how you can call things this early other than exceptional cases. Arsenal are not and have never been in a 'relegation dogfight' this season, but you don't have to try hard to find people who have said they are. The title race simply hasn't started yet, in my opinion.

For years I've told over excited Liverpool and Arsenal fans that they are getting too wet, top quickly. Get to 30 or so games and be in a similar position and that then is a title race.

We're in the best position since SAF left, I'm genuinely loving the direction the team is going in and felt next year is probably when we should be looking at a title challenge. This year I was hoping for progression again and a comfortable top 4 finish. We're well on course for that and what we've seen throughout Ole's time here is steady progression.

This is far and away the most we've looked like a Manchester United team since Fergie left. If you're anything other than at least intrigued as a United fan now then that sucks for you. I've personally really enjoyed our journey this last couple of years. It's been interesting, we've had some great results and we're moving in a much more positive and measured direction.

Our squad is a very good age, 2 or 3 more good signings can really take us up a level and I think we could have a really exciting team in the next year or so.
I so much agree with this part in bold. What this team has to do now is just continue what they've been doing for 11 months now, but for another 6 months or so. Then, the title race could become a reality. At match day 30, I believe we will see where we stand and what our chances are.
 
I've been saying consistently that:

1. Our PPG under Ole is pretty close to the top since Ole joined. Even when you account for the period where we were super inconsistent in 2019. If you just look at 2020 (basically since bruno joined), we're the best team in the league results wise.

2. With some luck with injuries (no long term layoffs for either bruno or rashford), we will put together a decent title bid.

3. I don't expect us to actually win the title this year. As long as we don't finish >10 points behind Liverpool come end of season, it counts as progress. Have a proper RW next season and we'll challenge in 21/22.

4. I expect us to win _something_ this year. Don't care if it's the league cup / fa cup / euros but we need some silverware.

So Caf, please don't meltdown as soon as we have 1-2 poor results because they will come eventually.

Agree with your sentiment but I think the best way to quantify progress is to beat our points from last year. Personally think we should aim for minimum 75.
 
Some might think I am overly pessimistic but I think talk of a title fight is fantasy.
Liverpool haven't lost a home game in nearly 70. They have shown capacity to.go on these long winning streaks time and time again.
Until we show that kind of consistency and back it up with performances, people should relax.
 
Our PPG under Ole is pretty close to the top since Ole joined.
Our PPG under Ole is 1.8378, which over the course of a league season amounts to 70 points. That has never been enough to win a 38-game PL season.

It's better in 2020 but even this season it's only 2 points per game. That's 76 points, a total I'd be reasonably pleased with but we'll be nowhere near the title.
 
It’s a shame we don’t have the confidence of old.

With Fergie in charge, the hunting of Liverpool would be a beautiful formality from this position.
We actually have a guy in charge who openly discussed with the team at the beginning of the season that the team needs to pick up more pts even at the late stage of matches... maybe he will instill a thing or two in term of mentality?
 
Our PPG under Ole is 1.8378, which over the course of a league season amounts to 70 points. That has never been enough to win a 38-game PL season.

It's better in 2020 but even this season it's only 2 points per game. That's 76 points, a total I'd be reasonably pleased with but we'll be nowhere near the title.
That's fair, but I think it can be higher from now on. As long as the team believes they can win no matter what, it's alright.
 
If Ole keeps winning matches then I don't care how he wins them.
I would rather we score in the last minute and win rather score in the first minute and draw or lose.
That's it, that's the mentality we want from our team, that's always been the way we play, and why the other teams always feared us.
 
Our PPG under Ole is 1.8378, which over the course of a league season amounts to 70 points. That has never been enough to win a 38-game PL season.

It's better in 2020 but even this season it's only 2 points per game. That's 76 points, a total I'd be reasonably pleased with but we'll be nowhere near the title.
Stats like that don’t always tell the full picture. What was Klopps PPG in his first two years at Liverpool compared to the last two seasons? I’m guessing there’s a marked difference.
 
Stats like that don’t always tell the full picture. What was Klopps PPG in his first two years at Liverpool compared to the last two seasons? I’m guessing there’s a marked difference.
They don't tell a full picture but predicting a huge jump in our PPG on average just because Klopp did the same is fanciful imo.
That's why I said we have to wait for performances to improve (significantly imo) before talking about a title race.
 
Our PPG under Ole is 1.8378, which over the course of a league season amounts to 70 points. That has never been enough to win a 38-game PL season.

It's better in 2020 but even this season it's only 2 points per game. That's 76 points, a total I'd be reasonably pleased with but we'll be nowhere near the title.

This season 76 may be enough to win it this season, its a weird one.
 
I still think Liverpool will win the league but United will run them close.

I also don’t think any team is getting anywhere near 100 points this season. The league will probably be won by 85 points or something.
The second is not a tough call. Liverpool have only 32 points with nearly half the season gone. At best it'll be 41 at that point.
 
United will finish second quite comfortably. I think the winning total will be extremely low this year. Maybe even as low as 96/97. There will be a lot of draws this year. A lot of 0-0s for all top 6 teams, especially when playing each other.
 
If we can keep Bruno fit and generally in top form we have a chance. We rely on him too much though and we really could do with Pogbas replacement in January or give VDB the trust to play regularly, although in the cameos he has played he hasn't shown much. As said if Bruno is out for any length of time our chance will be gone.
 
Win against Villa and Liverpool, then we can talk. To win those two in the circumstances would show the sort of grit and consistency we've massively lacked for years.

In reality I don't think its on, but if we can run Liverpool close, it's a big improvement on basically any season we've had in the league since Fergie.

Also if Bruno gets injured it's over.
 
United will finish second quite comfortably. I think the winning total will be extremely low this year. Maybe even as low as 96/97. There will be a lot of draws this year. A lot of 0-0s for all top 6 teams, especially when playing each other.

I assume you mean 86/87? In which case I agree
 
No this isn't a wumming thread. Last season this squad showed their mettle through getting top 4. People overreact to a few games. We are about to show everyone who the feck we are.
We are fecking Manchester United and we are going to win the league this year and we will show everyone who we are vs Chelsea later today.
Ole has already shown that true great management spirit by dropping Green wood and Pogba for valid reasons. All you opposing fans get ready to really hate us again and all you "so called" United fans unhappy with management get ready to feel unhappy because we are about to be successful again.

Like your positivity! I'm not going to start crowing just yet though. We're always just one defeat away from the next "crisis".
 
Can't see us winning it. We're not performing as well as we could but its truly great to be in the race. I'd love for us to maintain this consistency till the end. Moreover, if we could show more of the form we showed post lockdown last season, it'd be a great end to this season.
 
Look, the fact that we're talking about it is a positive. The fact that we're in this position without fully hitting our stride is a positive. The fact that we're regularly recovering from losing positions us a positive. The manner of that win ladt night was a huge positive. Who knows if we've got it in us to give it a rattle this season but I'll take all the above at face value, signs of progress. Title challenges rarely appear out of a blue sky. I'm sure Liverpool fans can plot their victory last season back through various signs of progression over the previous 3 seasons. Let's just keep plugging away.
 
I think at this point i would accept a draw against Pool and Villa.
I would rather accept that than lose to pool and win Villa
 
We have the best away form in the league and Liverpool Will dominate possession. If we hit them pace, we can smash and grab all 3 points. After that, I pray and hope the team can play with more confidence but I doubt we can be champion. We will trip ourselves up losing to City and Liverpool at home. I still see 3rd place but the much closer to those 2.
 
I want to believe we can do it, but can't bring myself to (yet). The football simply isn't of a very high quality imo. It feels more like LVG getting us to the top or thereabouts around the winter break rather than us being brilliant. If Liverpool get 5 points in their next 3 (a win and two draws) it takes them to 38 points which is the equivalent of 76 over the course of the season which has shades of the Leicester year (shit year at the top ) But fingers crossed, and hopefully this is less of a false position/dawn than that. Would be absolutely incredible if we beat Liverpool at Anfield in a few week's time.

Dipperland will go into lockdown, rawk would explode and they might actually have a mental breakdown :lol:
 
Can you imagine if we had won at Leicester? This is why I was so disappointed in losing that match. We would have been equal with Liverpool and even drawing with them would be still on equal points if we win against Villa.
Rio has pointed out what is going wrong with our defence. The players and the coaching staff has to fine tune it he says. I do not think the players think for themselves and talk among themselves. Why do we not have a good defensive coach in the set up? Someone who has played top level football as a defender?
 
Can you imagine if we had won at Leicester?

Can you imagine if we had (deservedly) won at Leicester and then (deservedly) drawn against Wolves? We're right where we should be - can't win every game.
 
We've had a horrible defense record because 1) AWB cant mark the far post to save his life. 2) Pogba refused to defend and trackback in a 2 man midfield for half the season - he's looking more willing now.

We'll be fine. Cavani will continue chipping in goals in between Rashford/Martial and Greenwood's youth inconsistencies.