So today I found out that the Caf considers European cup ONLY the Champions league, go figure
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The European cup is/was the Champions League.
European competitions are all of them: Europa League/UEFA Cup
Cup Winners Cup
UEFA Conference league
Champions League/ European Cup
The European Cup was what the Champions League is before it became the Champions League. This is not difficult.
The European cup is/was the Champions League.
European competitions are all of them: Europa League/UEFA Cup
Cup Winners Cup
UEFA Conference league
Champions League/ European Cup
The European Cup was what the Champions League is before it became the Champions League. This is not difficult.
Harry Redknapp was sacked by Spurs for finishing 4th.
Yeah, maybe in the UK, for the rest of the world European Cup means literary every European Cup Competition, which includes Ch.league, Europa League, Cup Winners Cup etc.
It's really not that difficult to think that football is played and watched all over the globe and not only in England.
It was called the European Cup everywhere else too...
I'd see your point if we were talking about 'a European cup'.
But the premier competition was literally called The European Cup before it changed name to Champions League. The post you questioned referred to: "Champions League/European Cup final ".
I don't think this is down to them being from the UK.
In German it was called (translated) Cup of the Champions and Cup winners cup, so I was confused as well.
I'll just leave it here as I don't want to derail the conversation.
All in all in Greece it was as @stefan92 called it cup of Champions etc
- No Italian team has won the UCL in the last 15 years.
- Only two different LA Liga teams have won UCL/European Cups
- The last La Liga team (other than Real Madrid) to reach the finals of the UCL was Atletico Madrid 9 years ago.
- Hamburg, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forrest, Steaua Bucharest and Red Star Belgrade have European Cups. Arsenal and Atletico Madrid don't.
- 2004 was a year of underdogs. Porto won the UCL, Greece won Euros and Valencia won La Liga
- No team outside of big 5 leagues will ever win the UCL again
- Only two different LA Liga teams have won UCL/European Cups
- The last La Liga team (other than Real Madrid) to reach the finals of the UCL was Atletico Madrid 9 years ago.
- Hamburg, Aston Villa, Nottingham Forrest, Steaua Bucharest and Red Star Belgrade have European Cups. Arsenal and Atletico Madrid don't.
- 2004 was a year of underdogs. Porto won the UCL, Greece won Euros and Valencia won La Liga
- No team outside of big 5 leagues will ever win the UCL again
Perhaps you're thinking of the Cup Winner's Cup rather than the European Cup? Maybe not but it seems an awfully.large coincidence if not.
I'm thinking of both. That's the point, one was the Cup Winner's Cup, the other was the European Champion's Cup.
It was never just called the "European Cup" in Germany, which means that "European Cup" for us refers to all those competitions, not to a specific one.
Peter Schmeichel played for City.
Barcelona have lost to Dundee United in the four times they met in Europe. No other British team has this 100% win record.
You're getting worked up over something so trivial
Man have you seen the responses I got over something so trivial as you say?
I mean, all of the European competitions at least up until now,are basically just cup competitions.
Reece James played youth football for man utd
Well it's official title is Coupe des Clubs Champions Europeens, which is what is says on the trophy. In English that would be European Champion Clubs' Cup, so that make sense.
Seen the full translated title in English before from the past, but mostly in more formal settings. The cover of matchday programmes, or on a list of club honours etc.
I'd guess we started calling it the European Cup in England at a time when it was the only European trophy, and to save us saying the extra words. It then just stuck around when the invention of the other European trophies came later. It stayed as the European Cup in popular vernacular and the others got their proper titles.
With it being the major one that everyone wants to win it sort of adds to importance of it to call it the European Cup too. It's a bit like how United won the treble in 99 but Liverpool only won a treble of sorts in 2001 as they were made up of less important trophies. In the same way "the double" was always winning the league and the FA Cup, if it was the league and what is now the Carabao Cup it might be called a double, but would be seen as lesser, and if it was the FA and Carabao Cup it might be a cup double but never the double.
If I heard someone British talking about the European Cup or even saying that a team won a European Cup, I'd think they meant the big one as a result. It would mostly be older people saying it though as it's been called the Champions League for long enough for most to switch over to saying that instead. Or they might be talking about the competition before it was renamed the Champions League and don't necessarily have to be older. If they were talking about the full range of competitions they'd often say a European trophy, or a European competition instead of a European cup and most of us understand that distininction.
Example from Bob Pailsey's wikipedia managerial record:
Already labeled up as European Cup for the most important one, and the other one with it's more official title. Nobody here would really say he won 4 European Cups, it would be 4 European trophies/competitions or 3 European Cups and a UEFA Cup.
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Peter Beardsley played for Liverpool and Everton, plus Manchester United and City. That has to be a rarity.
And his sibling
The "Europapokal" and the "Pokal der Pokalsieger" are not the same thing, neither were they back then. The distinction doesn't translate 100% but the gist is/was the same.
It was "Europapokal der Landesmeister" and "Europapokal der Pokalsieger". It never really was just "Europapokal" as it wouldn't have been clear to which of those two one refers.
All this talk of the how we commonly refer to things made me think how complicated it must be to explain that Oldham Athletic (for example) play in a league but are currently a non-league team to someone who doesn't understand our strange ways.
"What do you mean, 'non-league', they play in a league?"
"Yeah, but they're not in The Football League"
"Yeah they are, it's not basketball or something else"
"What do you mean, 'non-league', they play in a league?"
"Yeah, but they're not in The Football League"
"Yeah they are, it's not basketball or something else"
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Simple really, It used to be called the European Cup when only champions from each European country competed. Then they decided you don’t need to be champions to compete but called it “Champions” league anyway. Now you can finish 5th and compete and take it easy in your domestic competition the following season and finish around 8th, win it, and then be declared European Champions. Stand up Liverpool and Chelsea,
It absolutely is
Even weirder: Technically in that sense the Premier League also is non-league. And the Championship isn't the best league in England. It's complete bollocks.
If Forest or Villa win the FA Cup they'll be the first team to have won it in 3 centuries since it started.
League 1 is actually the third tier. Which isn’t to be confused with the old division 1, which used to be the second tier, which before that used to be the first tier. Everybody got that? Good.It absolutely is
Even weirder: Technically in that sense the Premier League also is non-league. And the Championship isn't the best league in England. It's complete bollocks.
We will have to agree to disagree. Europapokal on it's own always referred to just the former, while the second referred to the cup winners cup.
It's a slight distinction but essentially the same as the difference between winning "The European Cup" and "A european cup".