We'd win the League every year, if only we had

In fact, we have more League Titles than they do, more FA Cups than they do, and more European Cups than they do.

Nice post. Unfortunately, it entirely misses the point.

Surely what's being discussed here is how successful managers (here, Wenger and SAF) are, given the amount of money they have at their disposal. There's clearly a correlation between success in football, and how much money you have to spend on players. More money doesn't guarantee success, but it goes a long way towards ensuring it. Any manager who achieves major success in football with a significantly smaller budget probably has some special talent.

If Wenger does pull off the Double this year, then I think it's going to be easy for Arsenal fans to argue that he's actually a better manager than SAF. And there would be some validity to the argument. Wenger will have shown that, even with a much smaller budget than Man Utd's, he can roll us for major honours.

If Wenger wins the Double this year, virtually every club in the world will be happy to sign him on as manager.
 
Originally posted by Rednose:
<strong>In fact, we have more League Titles than they do, more FA Cups than they do, and more European Cups than they do.

Nice post. Unfortunately, it entirely misses the point.

Surely what's being discussed here is how successful managers (here, Wenger and SAF) are, given the amount of money they have at their disposal. There's clearly a correlation between success in football, and how much money you have to spend on players. More money doesn't guarantee success, but it goes a long way towards ensuring it. Any manager who achieves major success in football with a significantly smaller budget probably has some special talent.

If Wenger does pull off the Double this year, then I think it's going to be easy for Arsenal fans to argue that he's actually a better manager than SAF. And there would be some validity to the argument. Wenger will have shown that, even with a much smaller budget than Man Utd's, he can roll us for major honours.

If Wenger wins the Double this year, virtually every club in the world will be happy to sign him on as manager.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You have to earn the right to be compared to the likes of Stein, Paisley, Shankly, Busby and Ferguson. When Wenger has similar success to those managers, then we'll start comparing.
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Originally posted by Rednose:
<strong>In fact, we have more League Titles than they do, more FA Cups than they do, and more European Cups than they do.

Nice post. Unfortunately, it entirely misses the point.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's not supposed to hit any point! I'd already won the argument by the time I posted that! :p
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The PL counts for NOTHING now, the European CL is the league United compete in. All other matches are practise or exhibition games. Arsenal now are where United were a few years ago, great in the Premier league and f'ing up in Europe. Now Fergie has that sorted, and Wenger is learning just how difficult European football is.
 
Let's not get carried away here. Wenger is a capable manager, but he isn't and will never be spoken about in the same breath as Stein, Paisley, Ferguson etc. You ARSE fans are assuming that Arsenal will win the Premiership this year when it's not wrapped up yet. If you don't then all Wenger will be able to speak of is a league and fa cup in 5 years.
 
Originally posted by Rod:
<strong>The PL counts for NOTHING now, the European CL is the league United compete in. All other matches are practise or exhibition games. Arsenal now are where United were a few years ago, great in the Premier league and f'ing up in Europe. Now Fergie has that sorted, and Wenger is learning just how difficult European football is.</strong><hr></blockquote>

drivel a few years ago united won the european cup and certainly weren't fecking it up and as for saying the PL counts for nothing your talking out of your arse. The PL counts for everything. I would rather win the PL every year. European Cup is a nice bonus but the PL is bread and butter.
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The PL counts for NOTHING now, the European CL is the league United compete in. All other matches are practise or exhibition games. Arsenal now are where United were a few years ago, great in the Premier league and f'ing up in Europe. Now Fergie has that sorted, and Wenger is learning just how difficult European football is.

This is utter bollocks mate.

I'd take the Premiership over the Champions League any year. If Arsenal win the Premiership (and the FA Cup) and we win the CL, then you know as well as I do that Arsenal fans will have bragging rights over us for the next 12 months.

Also, the fact that we'll slipping this year in the Premiership is hardly a sign that Fergie "has that [his priorities?] sorted". If anything, it shows that Fergie is losing it, while Wenger has his act together.
 
Originally posted by Rod:
<strong>The PL counts for NOTHING now, the European CL is the league United compete in. All other matches are practise or exhibition games. Arsenal now are where United were a few years ago, great in the Premier league and f'ing up in Europe. Now Fergie has that sorted, and Wenger is learning just how difficult European football is.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't know where you've been previously, rookie, but for at least the past two seasons the loyal Manchester United fans at the Cafe were telling the rest of us how important the Premier League was and how the ability to emerge the top of all English teams after 38 matches was the true test of a team.

The ability to do well in both the EPL and CL is a tribute to depth of squad, ability to play contrasting styles, and a touch of luck. I doubt seriously many people here, or on the top three teams in the Premiership, have written off the league as a warm-up for Europe.
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Originally posted by Wibble:
<strong>Dipper or Gonner? That is the question.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Gooner, t'was identified long-ago... and the situation is 'pending' ;)
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There are some great postings on this topic!

I would like to add my two cents` worth and say that Arsenal have been underachievers for nearly a decade despite the double one yar, so it is about time they began to make an impact with all the foreign talent Wenger has assembled.

In the recent past they have faded out after December but now have the experience to keep going and to be consistent. Unfortunately I think they will win the title but I don`t think any Red Devil could legitimately say they don`t deserve it.

Arsenal have been consistent all season whereas Manchester United seemed unbalanced by a few factors including the new signings for a while.

Wenger is a very good manager but his tendency to not give credit where it is due to other teams and managers (and don`t give me that bullshit that Sir Alex is like Wenger on this count - Sir Alex has a long record of praising other managers and supporting those under fire)is bad sport, sulky child tactics of the worst kind.

Manchester United does not need Arsene Wenger. We will come back stronger than ever next season and start a new cycle of success!!!!!!! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
I think not my friend

All these things often go in cycles and I'd say your's was ending and ours is starting .

Often you need a bit of luck and you got that when Dennis missed at Villa Park or you'd as likely ended up with nothing for that year and we'd have had a another double .

Still you made it and good luck to yers .

I do feel since then it took us 2 years to get over that incredible dissapointment and we have sometimes faltered on the big day.

This is an area where AW has improved the club.

This year our squad depthis stronger than ever and the perpetual injury situation has proved this.

In this respect we have caught you up and it'll be interesting to see if you can take the pressure now .

Next year we'll make inroads into the CL too so all in all considering our clubs respective financial situations I'm happy with Wenger now.

I think you guys are getting the last drops out of Fergy and if you get past Lever I don' think you'll manage Real . No way , especially if your best player RK is not fit for the full 90.

All great stuff tho innit ?


;) jopub
 
Hi jopub, please enlighten me about Thierry Henry`s preferences! Although I am devoted to Ryan I can`t help but think Henry is a bit of a dish! But I read somewhere that he is gay? Is that true?
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>Hi jopub, please enlighten me about Thierry Henry`s preferences! Although I am devoted to Ryan I can`t help but think Henry is a bit of a dish! But I read somewhere that he is gay? Is that true?</strong><hr></blockquote>

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heh heh ggirl , well I have to say that it would not surprise me to hear that more than one or two of our squad are gay .

It is also strongly rumoured that FredtheRedHair
Lunberg also bats for the other side.

And fair play to them I say , what people do in their private lives is up to them be them superstar footballers or you or me .

At Highbury we have noted with some mirth that celebrations involving TH and FL and SC do get a little 'intimate' shall we say ( tongue in cheek)!! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

Mind you is there truth that RK is coming out of the closet soon ?? :D

Heh heh
 
Originally posted by Jopub the Gooner:
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Mind you is there truth that RK is coming out of the closet soon ?? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Not if it's me he's in there with. :D

(But don't tell Celine).
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You have to be gay to like the Arse??

The reason we have not won the EPL this year is because we have won it so easily for the last 3 years we did not take this year seriosly enough.

Yet we still may win it, so it shows you how poor the opposition are
 
The reason we've lost it this year is because our home form as been so shite.
Losing to Liverpool and Chelsea was obviously unexpected but West Ham, Bolton and Middlesbrough aswell is just giving the league away, its worth noting that in most of these games a certain Roy Keane was missing from the line up and all it would of took is to draw to of them defeats and we'd have it in our hands, if Arsenal win the league then a good team won it and well done but we'll have lost it more than them winning it
 
I too, think somebody`s preferences are their own choice and business but if that dish Thierry Henry is gay I would be thinking, damn, I had little chance before but zilch now!

I must say, however, that one of the Red Devil`s comments about Manchester United not being serious enough this year having won the Premiership 3 years in a row are complete nonsense. The hunger is still there but I think it is obvious that while in the long term Veron willl repay every pound he was signed for, maybe Sir Alex assumed he would fit into the rotation policy etc without thinking too hard about unbalancing the side.

I am a big fan of Veron but it is no secret Paul Scholes was unsettled and probably would have been a better choice in some of the games we lost last year. I don`t believe we would have lost the games that Paul did not play in had he been there to do his usual clinical business.

As for Arsenal, they have many class players and no Manchester United fan needs to make excuses about not taking the Premiership seriously enough. Arsenal have caught up (for now) and I believe they will be Premiership Champions. I have also liked them much better than other teams and to some extent Arsenal is similar to Manchester United in its traditions.

I can tell you, there is only one bloody club in London as far as I am concerned and it is not the miserable lily livered White Hart Laners. I don`t care if Teddy is playing for them or not - I don`t like Spurs, never have, never will and if Arsenal win the Championship their fans will be justified in gloating over Spurs until next season.
 
Originally posted by manxmania:

[Christ only knows how long I'll have to continue battling against the ignorance of my fellow Manchurians. <hr></blockquote>

Fellow Manchurians? Speaking of ignorance, I think you'll find that Manchuria is many degrees of longtitude east of Manchester. I think the word you're looking for is "Mancunians".
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A.Wenger cannot be compared to A.Ferguson as both of them have different styles and preferences in managing the respective teams. Wenger relied on his French connections which currently are in top form wheareas AF uses most of his matured fledgings. Wenger is lucky because he has the likes of Henry, Veira, Wiltord and Pires who are currently at peak of their playing career. They are all in the strong French World Cup team. A few season back, Arsenal have some conflicts amongst the players from different countries. In solving the problem, Wenger opted for more French players. As Arsenal does not have the financial capabilities of United, He has to get his own money for the new players and he did it by selling Anelka, Petit and Overmars so that he can bring in Wiltord and Pires. He has to thank the Anelka Brothers for arranging such a rediculous deal. Do not be surprise that Anelka may end up re-joining Arsenal as the camaraderie that happened may all be a plot.
Bringing Wenger to United will not be suitable as without his French players, he will not be as good a manager as he looked like currently. He can only give advices on new dietery requirement for the players. United needed the pyschological Alex Ferguson who uses his strong influences on all his players. What United also needed is a strong tactical know-how assistant manager to supplement the effective management style of Alex Ferguson.
 
Well said Tono - a great, thoughtful posting, even if you are from Singapore and I am from Australia. What do we know about supporting Manchester United if we are not from the local areas?

Bloody heaps I`d say! Come on the Red Devils - let`s power the lads to victory in the League and Champions` league by our collective positive energy!
 
Originally posted by Tonjo:
<strong>Wenger is lucky because he has the likes of Henry, Veira, Wiltord and Pires who are currently at peak of their playing career.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What, Wenger's lucky that he bought good players and got them playing at their full potential?
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Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>Could the yank twat go by the name of fresnobob by any chance? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

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Sorry, Charlies Devils, I looked at your profile and made a guess about the identity of the yank you wrote about. Okay so it is not fresnobob but it may as well be!
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>Sorry, Charlies Devils, I looked at your profile and made a guess about the identity of the yank you wrote about. Okay so it is not fresnobob but it may as well be!</strong><hr></blockquote>


No, it was some other Yank twat. Can't remember his name, but I do remember he was a twat.
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Just to answer Charlies Devils about Wenger being lucky. If he is not French, do you think the lot French players will come and join him? Especially when Arsenal was not paying top salaries then.
Giggsygirl, thanks for the compliment and I would like to say that I have been a United follower, through bad times and good times since 1969. I think I've gathered enough knowledge about United even though I am not from the area. I've been following them through magazines, news, TV coverages (live and delayed),books and now the internet.
 
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