Originally posted by o'neill:
<strong>it has to be admitted though, as muc h as it pains me, that saf is not as good a manager as aw in so many regards - spotting talent (kidd/mclaren did all the work) , working with budget, success - 2 doubles(maybe*) in 5 yrs to nothing worthwhile in six for saf.
We have to admit it, a monkey could have ran utd in the last 10 yrs.
We need Wenger now. Get him at all costs!!!!!!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> How about 2 European cups in 4 years? SAF could very well pull that off. Or 4 consecutive EPL titles? Still a possibility! Wenger has not won anything other than 1 EPL title and 1 FA Cup! In a year when United fecked up!
Do you get it now?
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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you're going to win the title again by one point, not because you've been the best team, but because United fecked up in the early part of the season. When you play us now, you'll end up in the same situation as your blue brothers down the road - beaten!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Rather arrogant, eh?
Believe it or not, Arsenal won a few matches this year without a permission slip from SAF. In doing so, the Gooners have overcome an appressive array of red cards and injuries. While your team had been down, you say, in the first part of the season, so has mine--much of the season (usually a man down for the last 20 minutes or so of the match). Wasn't Manchester United ahead of Arsenal in the tables sometime since January First? If so, how can you attribute the current standings to pre November form? There must have been a bit of slippage since then.
Considering the injuries to both sides at present, you perhaps shouldn't be quite so sure of victory on May 8. I still think our reserves can beat your reserves, although a draw would suit us fine, methinks.
And anyway, you can't compare the two, as Wenger is nothing more than a coach. SAF is the manager of every aspect of the club. It is he who set up the youth system that produced Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Brown, O'Shea, Chadwick, Gary Neville, Phil Neville, Nicky Butt, etc. If they were sold, SAF's spending record would be phenominal. And we are talking 150 million quid plus!
Our club is in a fantastic financial position, don't have to shell out a load on a new stadium because we have the best and will expand it in the future, has the best training facilities in the country, and a full stadium every week. SAF is the king of all managers over the last 20 years!
Would you like to compare is record at all of the clubs he has been at to that of Wenger! FFS, SAF won the European Cup Winners cup with Aberdeen, and broke the Old Firm dominance of the SPL! Wenger still hasn't wone shit in Europe, and he has had far more money than SAF ever had at Aberdeen!
I wish that you Goooooooooners would count the titles he has won before you even try to compare him to Wenger. There is no competition!
Our club is in a fantastic financial position, don't have to shell out a load on a new stadium because we have the best and will expand it in the future, has the best training facilities in the country, and a full stadium every week. SAF is the king of all managers over the last 20 years!
Would you like to compare is record at all of the clubs he has been at to that of Wenger! FFS, SAF won the European Cup Winners cup with Aberdeen, and broke the Old Firm dominance of the SPL! Wenger still hasn't wone shit in Europe, and he has had far more money than SAF ever had at Aberdeen!
I wish that you Goooooooooners would count the titles he has won before you even try to compare him to Wenger. There is no competition!
Originally posted by FresnoBob:
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Rather arrogant, eh?
Believe it or not, Arsenal won a few matches this year without a permission slip from SAF. In doing so, the Gooners have overcome an appressive array of red cards and injuries. While your team had been down, you say, in the first part of the season, so has mine--much of the season (usually a man down for the last 20 minutes or so of the match). Wasn't Manchester United ahead of Arsenal in the tables sometime since January First? If so, how can you attribute the current standings to pre November form? There must have been a bit of slippage since then.
Considering the injuries to both sides at present, you perhaps shouldn't be quite so sure of victory on May 8. I still think our reserves can beat your reserves, although a draw would suit us fine, methinks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not being arrogant at all, you have a very good team. All I am saying is that we are a better team when you look at it. SAF did make serious changes to the spine on the team in the summer - new central defender everyone said he was crap at the time), a new central midfielder (many still say that he is crap now), and a new striker (many scousers called him an expensive Andy Cole). He tried different tactics that at times didn't work, we've had some horrendous individual mistakes (look at Barthez at Highbury), yet we still have a chance to win the league. You've only lost 3 games all season, yet we have lost at home against Bolton, West Ham, Boro, etc. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> I'ts just not United.
Nobody can dispute that right now we are the team that is totally in form. And if you or the Pool slip up, you will get punished!
Oh, and BTW, we dont play reserves in the EPL, we have a first team squad that can rotate about 20 players!
Anyway, this is getting slightly off track of the original post, that claimed Wenger was a better manager than SAF.
I've already proved that a silly theory, both money wise and on the level of winning trophies. Also the correlation between the two!
I've already proved that a silly theory, both money wise and on the level of winning trophies. Also the correlation between the two!
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Oh, and BTW, we dont play reserves in the EPL, we have a first team squad that can rotate about 20 players!
Apparently, so do the folks at Highbury, since, dispite all the other injuries, they've outscored the opposition in league 10-1 since the player of the year went down.
It's good this isn't it? The United - Arsenal banter I mean. It makes for far better reading than thos dippers who normally haven't got a foot to stand on. At least you Goooooooooooners make good arguments!
Would you Arse supporters like to borrow one of our or Liverpool's European Cups?
It would look nice in your trophy room, especially ours, as it's newer and much more shiny. Especially in one months time, but that wnt be a replica that we have, so you can have it!
I have to As otherwise I'd look a total cnut if we lost! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
It would look nice in your trophy room, especially ours, as it's newer and much more shiny. Especially in one months time, but that wnt be a replica that we have, so you can have it!
I have to
As otherwise I'd look a total cnut if we lost! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Anyway, this is getting slightly off track of the original post, that claimed Wenger was a better manager than SAF.
I've already proved that a silly theory, both money wise and on the level of winning trophies. Also the correlation between the two!
Well of course Fergie has won more trophies, he has been with Mautd for 16 years compared to Wenger's 6 years. But if you look at Fergie's record after 6 years compared to Wenger now, you can see who's the better manager.
Anyway, Fresno and Arsenal - do you agree that Manxmania and the other one with an Irish name are actually Arsenal supporters disguising themselves as United supporters?
That is the worst thing to do on a forum like this, at least you two are up front. That's fine, and I welcome it!
That is the worst thing to do on a forum like this, at least you two are up front. That's fine, and I welcome it!
BTW how many European/CL cups have Arsenal won? <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>BTW how many European/CL cups have Arsenal won? <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
I've got support with me now!
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>BTW how many European/CL cups have Arsenal won? <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
Errrrmmmmmmm, none!
Do they have a Cup Winners or a UEFA? Maybe one! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>I've got support with me now!
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Errrrmmmmmmm, none!
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do you think they'll ever win one?
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>Oh I'm ready to stick my oar in too mate, but, you seem to be doing OK by yourself!
Well, I've got to go to bed soon (it's almost 1am) so you can take over. You're one of the most qualified for such a job! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Originally posted by giggzy:
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do you think they'll ever win one?
Not in my lifetime no! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
In fact, we have more League Titles than they do, more FA Cups than they do, and more European Cups than they do.
At least the Poo can taunt us with the League and European titles - not for much longer though!
But we can taunt them with the fact that we have 4 more FA Cups (the oldest and most prestigious club competition in the world) than they have and that they have never won a European Cup Winners Cup (again, a very prestigious trophy before the CL cam about) or an Intercontinental Cup (after four atempts <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> )! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
At least the Poo can taunt us with the League and European titles - not for much longer though!
But we can taunt them with the fact that we have 4 more FA Cups (the oldest and most prestigious club competition in the world) than they have and that they have never won a European Cup Winners Cup (again, a very prestigious trophy before the CL cam about) or an Intercontinental Cup (after four atempts <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> )! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Nobody can dispute that right now we are the team that is totally in form. And if you or the Pool slip up, you will get punished!
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Nah, you must be.
<a href="http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/curseq.html" target="_blank">Stats always lie, don't they?</a>
Originally posted by Walrus:
<strong>Nah, you must be.
<a href="http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/curseq.html" target="_blank">Stats always lie, don't they?</a>
Well, I was talking about all competitions, and I seem to recall that you got your Arsey Arse whoooped by Juventus B! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
How did you go on against Deportivo La Coruña BTW? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
And you think that those stats say anything? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
What would it have said if Arsenal had lost against Ipswich on Sunday? That's why it means NOTHING!
Shite set of stats!
I'm not sure Manx is a Gooner. He might be one of those less than diehard MU fans who, realizing that this might not be your year, is beginning to make excuses for the shortfall. If so, I prefer the idea of admitting the strengths of the opposition rather than merely claiming one's own failings made it possible for the less deserving to claim the trophy. Besides, sometimes, when he gets down to actual statistics, he's got some good stuff. If he is, indeed, a Gooner, I hope he steps up and says so. Here at the RedCafe even sheep are admitted as long as they confess their allegience.
And, Westy--we didn't lose last Sunday, it was 2-0 to the Arsenal. Don't dwell in the land of make believe and speculation. Not every one of Manchester United's victories this year was spectacular, although a couple of the defeats were really impressive. Statistics, properly used, might indicate what has happened, but they don't guarantee what will. That includes the number of trophies won by a respective club since the time Christ was a corporal.
And, Westy--we didn't lose last Sunday, it was 2-0 to the Arsenal. Don't dwell in the land of make believe and speculation. Not every one of Manchester United's victories this year was spectacular, although a couple of the defeats were really impressive. Statistics, properly used, might indicate what has happened, but they don't guarantee what will. That includes the number of trophies won by a respective club since the time Christ was a corporal.
See manx, just admit it, all will be forgiven
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong> Well, I was talking about all competitions, and I seem to recall that you got your Arsey Arse whoooped by Juventus B! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes they did
<strong>How did you go on against Deportivo La Coruña BTW? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Haven't played'em.
<strong>And you think that those stats say anything? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes. They tell you about the current runs the premiership teams are enjoying. Thus explaining that Arsenal and Liverpool can be claimed to be more of an in-form team than Manchester United.
<strong>What would it have said if Arsenal had lost against Ipswich on Sunday? That's why it means NOTHING!
It would've said that they are not in form
Would one of the scousers put up the Liverpool record over the same period?
Sorry, it has to be over the same period as GH has not been there long enough, so it has to b Liverpool as a whole.
I just fel that the quantity of money will be far less than either Arsenal or United. But by how much?
And don't include those silly UEFA and Worthington Cups either!
EPL, FAC, and EC/CL only please!
Sorry, it has to be over the same period as GH has not been there long enough, so it has to b Liverpool as a whole.
I just fel that the quantity of money will be far less than either Arsenal or United. But by how much?
And don't include those silly UEFA and Worthington Cups either!
EPL, FAC, and EC/CL only please!
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Well, I've got to go to bed soon (it's almost 1am) so you can take over. You're one of the most qualified for such a job! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>I've just realised the Flyers game satrted 1/2 an hour ago, I thought it started at 7:30 so I'm off to watch it.
I'll give 'em grief later though ... if it's warrented of course
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>I've just realised the Flyers game satrted 1/2 an hour ago, I thought it started at 7:30 so I'm off to watch it.
I'll give 'em grief later though ... if it's warrented of course
I'm off too - so it's a gooner topic till you get back. Let them have it, as it just gives us more ammunition!
He's really making you lot work isn't he?
He's got some valid points actually and he's welcome as a fellow fan of entertaining footy ...
You, however, can feck off
You, however, can feck off
Regardind the whole monwy issue:
After we won feckall in 95 we spent almost nothing the following summer/season, the only signing being Tony Coton as a reserve keeper, he was so reserve he never even played and he cost less than half a million. The sqaud itself had just 2 foriengers in it (Eric an Schmeichel) and we did the double, and that was with the profit of around 10-12 million after losing 3 1st team players.
After we won feckall in 95 we spent almost nothing the following summer/season, the only signing being Tony Coton as a reserve keeper, he was so reserve he never even played and he cost less than half a million. The sqaud itself had just 2 foriengers in it (Eric an Schmeichel) and we did the double, and that was with the profit of around 10-12 million after losing 3 1st team players.
look, you can't compare Fergie and Wenger.
At least not yet.
Compare Wenger to Fergie when he's been at Arsenal for 16 years.
Fergie consistency and his hunger for success is what makes him a class above any other managers.
To keep that hunger for 16 years is just unbelievable.
Wenger is a good manager, but he's not in the same class with Fergie.
Maybe not yet.
At least not yet.
Compare Wenger to Fergie when he's been at Arsenal for 16 years.
Fergie consistency and his hunger for success is what makes him a class above any other managers.
To keep that hunger for 16 years is just unbelievable.
Wenger is a good manager, but he's not in the same class with Fergie.
Maybe not yet.
I think it's fairer to say that we'd win the league every year if the arse didn't have Arsene Wenger. He is a top class manager and one a few people on here were tipping for the United job until SAF decided to stay. If that scenario had come about I wouldn't have been crying in my beer but I'm pleased as hell to have SAF at the helm for a while yet. Who knows you gooner twat, your words might come back to haunt you one day <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />