We have a lot of likeable players again, don't we?

top1whoisman said:
Any concrete examples of the bolded ones?
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1: Watch any game of Manchester United when he misplaces a pass, concedes or puts us under pressure. He waives his arms around shouting at teammates as if they were culpable.

2: Hoek on De Gea (there are many more examples if you google)
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3: Watch any post-match interview when we lose and he's trying to save his own skin bringing up how good he was but defense let him down. Always posts pics of his camera saves no matter the result.
 
tentan said:
Not really.
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Fans like anyone who wins. If the team loses, no-one cares if they're hard working team players. If the team wins, no-one cares if they're lazy mercenaries.

Personally I still like many of the players (Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Rashford).
 
Tyrion said:
Fans like anyone who wins. If the team loses, no-one cares if they're hard working team players. If the team wins, no-one cares if they're lazy mercenaries.

Personally I still like many of the players (Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Rashford).
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Do you still?
 
Hannibal
Pellestri
Mainoo
Martinez
Kampala
Hojlund
Malacia
Garnacho

Sell the rest
 
I’ve said it before but the positive hyperbole on here is as bad as the negative. A bit of decent form and it’s “we’re the 2nd team in the league” etc.

It’s just broken attitudes when you follow a team who genuinely did used to win the league every year with an unbelievably fortunate spine of players. People just want to have that back immediately.
 
Maybe the moral of the story is to not conflate likability with competence.

Don't look up to players when the team is doing well, and don't dislike them as people when they're playing like shit.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Maybe the moral of the story is to not conflate likability with competence.

Don't look up to players when the team is doing well, and don't dislike them as people when they're playing like shit.
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Spot on.

If I may add further, they are merely employees whose competencies fluctuate as per the environment surrounding them.

An individuals fondness of a certain player skews perceptions and assists in misconstruing facts (the player being no longer up to standard or not performing well in the team). This is something that Fergie was so good at and why he continued to build successful teams.
 
I don't have strong feelings on them, with a few notable exceptions that have had work rate issues for a long time. Mostly the typical modern player in a nutshell. Fragile, protected. You'd find the same things at lots of clubs until a manager focuses their minds and the culture of the club improves as a result.

The problem really is that they're simply not good enough so it's never going to be a great look. But they didn't sign themselves did they?
 
Fortitude said:
Folk giving @Mr Pigeon pelters on Christmas Day for a positive thread written when things were looking up! For shame!
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If I cared about any of them, or even respected these plebs in the slightest, then I imagine that I would be hurt in some way.
 
Mctominay is likeable in a relatable way. fecking useless at his job, but hanging on in there anyway. I’ve got time for that
 
Imagine deciding to bump this thread on Christmas. You'd want to be an awful joyless gowl.
 
cpresc said:
this didn't age well
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cpresc said:
I think he's f**king brilliant

He's what, 18? 19 max?

Already at this age he's scored goal of the season and is the catalyst for our comebacks

He has technique in abundance, courage in abundance

On top of that, his post-match interview just showed maturity where he was aware enough to big up Rashford and highlight being pleased for Rasmus.

In 7 years, he'll only 25.

I think he'll become one of our greatest ever players. We just need more like him - like we had Rooney and Ronaldo
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Jeppers7 said:
No
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Jeppers7 said:
He’s outstanding….his composure and game iq are out of this world for an 18 year old. I just love watching him.
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Mr Pigeon said:
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Just to clarify my stance here... I think Garnacho is awesome but our squad remains full of unlikeable characters:

Sancho (timid and lazy)
Martial (timid and lazy)
Donny (useless and hides)
Rashford (arrogant and selfish)
Eriksen (zero personality and can't run)
Maguire (slowly redeeming himself but certainly no leader, clown-like)
Mount (snarly and irrelevant)
 
The team has not felt like a united solid group for so long now its hard to remember when this was.

There is a lot of quality but for a long time it has felt like a group of mercenaries rather than a family of footballers.
 
cpresc said:
Just to clarify my stance here... I think Garnacho is awesome but our squad remains full of unlikeable characters:

Sancho (timid and lazy)
Martial (timid and lazy)
Donny (useless and hides)
Rashford (arrogant and selfish)
Eriksen (zero personality and can't run)
Maguire (slowly redeeming himself but certainly no leader, clown-like)
Mount (snarly and irrelevant)
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And most of those are out on injury. The squad ETH had out there on Boxing Day was pretty likeable.
 
Define "likeable".

Some of the best United teams had players who were, let's face it, utter cnuts, but we loved them because they were successful. And ruthless.
 
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