We got Rashford into space plenty
We don't have an attacker capable of scoring 20 goals this sesaon
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But that is different when talking about getting wingers into space, rather than putting the ball into the box.
Wingers get into space in almost every counter-attack by the nature of it being a counter-attack.
Also, being offside does not count as 'space'.
Been a problem for 10 years
Its mental we have been ignoring this for years now.
Ever since Greenwood was suspended, followed by Rashford bad form , we dont have attackers capable of winning the matches.
Garnacho partly replaced Rashford last season , but bar him no one is capable of scoring wonder goals ..
I think Ten Hag days are very numbered and this season would also be a dissappointment, unless suddenly Hojlund stays injury-free for most of the season and Antony/Rashford come to a brilliant form.
Ever since Greenwood was suspended, followed by Rashford bad form , we dont have attackers capable of winning the matches.
Garnacho partly replaced Rashford last season , but bar him no one is capable of scoring wonder goals ..
I think Ten Hag days are very numbered and this season would also be a dissappointment, unless suddenly Hojlund stays injury-free for most of the season and Antony/Rashford come to a brilliant form.
The last time we had a player score 20+ Premier League goals in a single season, we won the league.
It doesn't mean we would automatically win it if we had that kind of player obviously but we would be a lot better if we did. I miss having that kind of player you can rely on to score regularly.
It doesn't mean we would automatically win it if we had that kind of player obviously but we would be a lot better if we did. I miss having that kind of player you can rely on to score regularly.
It after selling McTominay, we don’t.
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I have enough doom and gloom in other aspects of life, so I choose to be as positive about United as possible. Here is my blind optimism: Hojlund will be our 20 league goal scorer this season, or next season at the latest. He has all the tools, just need other forwards to create chances to him. Hope he can learn a thing or two about finishing chances from RVN as well. There I said it.
You might want to change the title. Haaland is only player in that list I'd bet on getting at least 20 goals in the league. Unless you mean 15-17 goals then yeah you have a slight point, however it wouldn't be outlandish for Hojlund to kick on a touch and hit that mark.
Jota and Havertz in particular have never come close to 20 goals.
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Harsh I think. Hojlund is injured, Garnacho is being eased back to match fitness after the summer, as is Zirkzee. Amad is having a decent start to the season, Bruno tries to do too much and isn’t an 9. Other than that this becomes yet another Marcus bashing thread.
Our attackers are young, talented and exciting. They are all individually capable of a 20 goal season but we just lack that consistency. When they click we will have a very potent front line.
This is my worry too. I do rate Hojlund but not sure he's capable of that step-up just yet. I'd say everyone in the top 6/7 has that one player that can do the business for them except for us really and maybe Chelsea, but they do have Palmer still looking like he'll carry on where he left off.
With the abject finishing we've shown in the first few games it's a bit concerning and probably shows why we fell a level below the rest last season.
With the abject finishing we've shown in the first few games it's a bit concerning and probably shows why we fell a level below the rest last season.
We got Rashford into space plenty and not on the counter. Offside does count as into space, individual errors by Rashford is why he was offside and is not an effect of the setup or tactical plan not working for him
We also got Amad and Garnacho into space too
I agree we don't have enough goals but I'd bet that only 2 or 3 of those score 20 PL goals
We just might IF Ruud can turn Rasmus into predator, so frustrating he got that goal against Arsenal then picked up injury so no time to work with him on training pitch before season
They were on the counter, or against a high block. Effectively the same thing for an attacker, as both leads to massive space to run into.
And of course offsides do not count. Remove offside, and the whole premise of permissable space evaporates.
The reason why Rashford is offside is because he has lost some pace, so he now tries to win that extra yard by trying to play it too close. If he doesn't do that, it wouldbe harder for him to even get into space.
The offside line is crucial in defining whether the tactical plan is working or not. The best players are tactically and technically able to consistently beat it. Haaland is almost never caught offside. He even talks about in interviews how he has been tactically coached to not be caught offside.
The difference of "then" and "now" is summed up by Michael Owen's injury-time (aka sending Mark Hughes bonkers time) winner against City. The guy found space is the box so naturally... not one of our current crop even come close
This has been a problem for a while not scoring enough goals.
I don't know if in the rest of the window they bring another striker in?
I thought Greenwood be here to get us the goals he's been sold . Hojlund isn't a prolific striker he may turn into one .
I don't know if in the rest of the window they bring another striker in?
I thought Greenwood be here to get us the goals he's been sold . Hojlund isn't a prolific striker he may turn into one .
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Came here to say this.
Not many clubs have players able to score 20+ goals in all comps, let alone in the league only.
That’s why attackers go for huge fees.
Hujland can become a 20 goal a season striker , won’t be surprised if he gets 20 plus this season.
In all comps or the league? I really like him but I'd be pleasantly amazed if he scores 20+ PL goals.
Who's Hujland?
I'd be genuinely surprised if Højlund got 20 league goals. Willing to bet that is simply not happening.
20 goals in all comps? I don't even think he'll hit that. I'd be pleased if he manages to hit 15 in all comps again. He finished last season on poor form, and wa dreadful in the Euros. I just don't see him developing into a top tier striker.
I was going to say this. Back when Ronaldo and Rooney were developing, we had Ruud.
We've also been screwed by the whole Greenwood thing. He could've been a 20 goal striker by now.
We actually have very weak attackers.
LW: Garnacho, Rashford
CF: Hojlund, Zirkzee
RW: Amad, Antony
With
CAM: Fernandes, Mount
All very weak and will not win us a league.
LW: Garnacho, Rashford
CF: Hojlund, Zirkzee
RW: Amad, Antony
With
CAM: Fernandes, Mount
All very weak and will not win us a league.
Actually it's Hijlúnd
I knew it, thanks for correcting me!
It boggles the mind how so many of our own fans can't even spell the names of the players from their favourite team, when their names are literally everywhere. On the back of the shirt, countless daily articles and tweets, in match day line-ups... you name it.
Erickson, Ericksen, Ericsson, Ericson, Erikson
Hojland, Hjulland, Hjalund, Højland, Højlland
Casimero (Ironically, his real name is Casimiro, but he adopted the misspelling of Casemiro because Brazilians don't give a f*ck and will misspell basically everything. Look it up, it's a cultural thing.)
McTomminay, Mctominay, MacTominay
MacGuire, Macguire McGuire, Mcguire
Anthony (Instead of Antony. Extra confusing when we actually had an Anthony.)
Varene
Eric ten Hag, Erik ten Haag
Classic: Lindgard, Lindegaard (Confusing Lingard with our Danish ex-goalie?)
Eriksen is the worst though. Seems 50% of the people on YouTube can't spell his name to save their life. I'd get it if you've never seen it written before. But you literally see these names spelled correctly multiple times a day, and again, on the back of their shirts every single match. But f it, his name is still anything but Eriksen. I don't get it.
I see those on a daily basis on social media. There's probably loads more funny examples I'm forgetting.
What is happening? Is there something in the drinking water?
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Some sort of mild dyslexia? A lot of people just don’t see it.
My old man could never get his head round Di Maria, and kept calling him Dia Maria, despite the correct pronunciation being said multiple times per game in commentary.
Seems like it, but then (mild) dyslexia must be so much more common than what is currently known and reported.
I also have a lot of friends and family that do this. It just gets interesting when it's a name you see written so often, and it's a name that's so tightly linked to something we're passionate about or at least very invested in, seeing as we're fans.
If you're a United fan you've probably seen Eriksen spelled out correctly more than a 1000 times. If mild dyslexia can so easily override that for such a huge number of fans... I don't know, I just think it's interesting.
Good post @iflightdragons
I see what you did there.
Playing two greedy inverted wingers doesnt help. Not one of rashford, Garnaco, Antony, or amad look for the best option. They all mostly only pass at the last second, if they cant get a shot off, or are going to lose the ball.
Garnaco should have 2 in 2. That isn’t bad considering he hasn’t started yet.
Difficulty with spelling and writing in general is pretty common. In a lot of cases it seems like a bit of a mental block and spending time getting it right feels like an excessive demand. They probably spent a decade in school getting berated and shamed for getting it wrong so they just disengage.
I'm just speculating though, i have no qualifications or anything mind you.
You're probably right, seems like a reasonable assumption.
I just find it fascinating how dyslexia is reported to occur in approximately 1/10 out of the population, when it's clearly much more common than just 1/10.
Case in point, another post just made right above here: Garnaco (Garnacho).
Not calling you out, just happened to be the most perfect timing for yet another example.
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I’ve seen someone spelling his name with the letter u before.
Doesn't your brain kind of "fill things in" to fit with your established viewpoint? So if a person first saw a name spelt out, but only glanced at it and assumed an incorrect spelling, there would be a decent chance that showing them the same correctly spelt name again would lead to them making the same incorrect assumption.
And the more times they see the name and make that leap, the more their brain entrenches in its interpretation, making it harder for the reader to correct their error over time.
A bit like prejudice.
I know people keep mentioning Rashfjord and in past years I would have agreed, but he just doesn’t seem to have the right mindset to be a 20+ goal forward these days.
20-league goals is such an arbitrary figure. Like, sure it would be great to have a player scorer that many if it means as a team we have scored 85 goals plus. Otherwise, it’s just a number.
In the last few seasons you typically get 2-3 players who score 20+. Does that mean 15-19 goal scorers aren’t good enough?
23/24 - Haaland, Palmer, Isak
22/23 - Haaland, Kane, Toney
21/22 - Salah, Son
20/21 - Kane, Salah
19/20 - Vardy, Aubameyang, Ings, Sterling
What stands out there to me is that you get a lot of penalty takers inflating their contribution and sometimes a random player has a great season. Even top players like Kane and Salah don’t hit 20-goals every year.
We aren’t a team that has Harry Kane or Haaland so we need multiple forwards to get 10+ goals and a few nearer 20. We also need midfielders chipping in and more set piece goals.
We need to turn 1-0 wins like again Fulham into 2-0 and 3-0 wins by taking those late counter chances. The whole Rashford / Garnacho counter at the end has to be a goal if you want our attackers to have better stats.
In the last few seasons you typically get 2-3 players who score 20+. Does that mean 15-19 goal scorers aren’t good enough?
23/24 - Haaland, Palmer, Isak
22/23 - Haaland, Kane, Toney
21/22 - Salah, Son
20/21 - Kane, Salah
19/20 - Vardy, Aubameyang, Ings, Sterling
What stands out there to me is that you get a lot of penalty takers inflating their contribution and sometimes a random player has a great season. Even top players like Kane and Salah don’t hit 20-goals every year.
We aren’t a team that has Harry Kane or Haaland so we need multiple forwards to get 10+ goals and a few nearer 20. We also need midfielders chipping in and more set piece goals.
We need to turn 1-0 wins like again Fulham into 2-0 and 3-0 wins by taking those late counter chances. The whole Rashford / Garnacho counter at the end has to be a goal if you want our attackers to have better stats.
Seems like a logical explanation, even though it reads more like sloppiness to me. Sloppy prejudice, perhaps.
I initially wrote "a bit like racism" but thought that might be a bit much. "Sloppy prejudice" seems a happy middle ground.