Bruno was on fire then as well.
We don't have an attacker capable of scoring 20 goals this sesaon
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I'm absolutely convinced Haaland would look a donkey in our team.
Our attackers:
Rasmus: Unproven youngster
Zirkzee: Unproven
Amad: Unproven youngster
Garnacho: Unproven youngster
Rashford: Inconsistent
Bruno: Inconsistent
Sancho: Inconsistent and mentally checked out
Antony: Antony
We'll be lucky to score 60 goals this season
Rasmus: Unproven youngster
Zirkzee: Unproven
Amad: Unproven youngster
Garnacho: Unproven youngster
Rashford: Inconsistent
Bruno: Inconsistent
Sancho: Inconsistent and mentally checked out
Antony: Antony
We'll be lucky to score 60 goals this season
Hojlund, Rashford and Fernandes are all capable of that...
I agree. And I'm pretty sure Hojlund would have a real chance to be the top scorer in the league if City had him instead of Haaland
We need to realise that Rashford’s goal scoring season was a one off, rather than something he is going to regularly replicate.
Ultimately it will cost ETH his job.
Ultimately it will cost ETH his job.
He absolutely would. No striker would look good in our team. You could put prime Gerd Müller there and he’d get at max 10 goals a season.
Agree with this, the attack is still toothless
Which makes the Zirkzee signing make zero sense. The complete opposite to what we needed.
Only way we end up with a decent goal tally is if Zirkzee and Rasmus both have great seasons. Two games in and he's scored one and costed us one goal though so not the best start.
No one got 20+ PL goals like RvP did in title-winning season, though.
I said this and people said that it wasn't a problem and we're going to share goals around. Then someone else said, "Let's hope they do" as if to say hope is enough to get us over the line. When you write all our forwards down it's depressing and a clear area of weakness.
Nearly everyone is on his side of the pitch congested. Amad is supposed to be the support winger involved in build up.
A top front 3 was what got Liverpool over the line in so many games in the past 5 years. I lost count of how many times they played relatively poorly but a ball over the top to one of their front 3 and they scored.
A top forward would probably have buried Amads chance from the Dalot cross yesterday.
We have been crap in the final 3rd for years.
A top forward would probably have buried Amads chance from the Dalot cross yesterday.
We have been crap in the final 3rd for years.
If he was still actually in his physical prime, he could hit 20+ in all competitions like he has done 3 times. However, this version is Rashford has lost the elite pace and agility that made him such a big threat.
With a physical decline comes a loss of confidence too to make things even worse.
He's scored 1 goal in about 40 minutes of football and it's "not the best start".He wont last long if he doesn't
Hilarious isn't it.
ZZ scored the winning goal in the previous game and almost bagged another one yesterday but got very unlucky.
Plus he's not even had a start yet! The caf being the caf as usual.
20 goals in what? All comps? Just the league? Quite honestly I think we have 5 attackers all capable of scoring 20 goals on all comps this season. One of them scored 30 just over a season ago. Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho, Hojlund, and Zirkzee.
Do I think any of them will score 20? Maybe one. But the problem isn’t that they are incapable of doing it, because that’s already been disproven by one of them doing 50% more than that a little over 12 months ago. And Hojlund bagged 16 last year despite it being his first year, missing several weeks and not being in the starting line up every week. The problem is how we play. It’s the lack of any attacking patterns of play, it’s the lack of control in midfield, it’s the lack of service.
Out any of those players in a good, well functioning team and they are going to have a great season. They are all good players. Maybe not amongst the best in the world in their positions, but all in the top echelons of players. They just play for a team that isn’t set up properly and is far too predictable in how they play. We’ll likely get another depressingly low goals total this year, like we did last year, all because we have a terrible manager.
Get a better manager in, one that isn’t way out of his depth, then see how they do. Until then we will continue to struggle. It’ll be at least Christmas until Ten Hag is fired, and if he is in and around top 5 come January, he’ll last the season, even if the same problems as last season are all too obvious.
Do I think any of them will score 20? Maybe one. But the problem isn’t that they are incapable of doing it, because that’s already been disproven by one of them doing 50% more than that a little over 12 months ago. And Hojlund bagged 16 last year despite it being his first year, missing several weeks and not being in the starting line up every week. The problem is how we play. It’s the lack of any attacking patterns of play, it’s the lack of control in midfield, it’s the lack of service.
Out any of those players in a good, well functioning team and they are going to have a great season. They are all good players. Maybe not amongst the best in the world in their positions, but all in the top echelons of players. They just play for a team that isn’t set up properly and is far too predictable in how they play. We’ll likely get another depressingly low goals total this year, like we did last year, all because we have a terrible manager.
Get a better manager in, one that isn’t way out of his depth, then see how they do. Until then we will continue to struggle. It’ll be at least Christmas until Ten Hag is fired, and if he is in and around top 5 come January, he’ll last the season, even if the same problems as last season are all too obvious.
20 + . And we need that only in the PL (even more).What about the other competitions?Let that sink in.With this playing, I don't see it.
Don’t forget that the EPL champion didn’t have a 20-goal EPL scorer in any of the three seasons between 2019-2023.
It would be beneficial if you realized that nobody just individually scores 20+ goals, in a team that plays like shit
It requires well-functioning front line, proper system and lead goal-scorers being assisted sufficiently to score
I also cannot care less if any one of our players scores a lot of goals (like Rashford did two seasons ago) but everybody else is garbage. Football is a team sport, we should only care how many goals entire team scores overall. Anything else is just bullshit
The team that scores most and concedes least is usually successful. And the team that wins most matches, whatever goals scored or conceded, wins trophies. No other statistic matters, at the end of the season - just win fecking games AS A TEAM!
He's also cost us one goal. I know it was unlucky and all but it still matters.
Well said. People are obsessed with individuals and constantly ignore the collective. No team would turn down a 20/30 goal per season forward but as you said, the more important problem is that of us as a unit.
We scored 57 goals last season. We’ve started this season with 2 in 2. As a club, we’ve had a terrible attack - barring probably that one season we had a young and firing front three - for over a decade now. We had enormous problems in how we transition the ball from the back to the opposition box and absolutely refuse to acknowledge that you need to dominate teams with the ball. Transition football is fine but no top team can rely solely on counters and being plucky energy bunnies.
This is a very good post.
I'd be happy to help a transition team in the games against top teams. We tend to do above average in chaos.
It should be out plan B, maybe even with the right players it could be our main plan.
If we bring in Ugarte, we are putting a lot of faith in our fullbacks, which might work. He won't be the player to make the team tick, but he might unlock Bruno.
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Thanks, and just to add - as people keep going on about that one 30 goal season that Rashford had - he scored 17 goals in the league that year with the team scoring only 58, which was 10 lower than any other team in the top 6.
That’s not to put Rashford down but rather that people overplay this “one 20 goal plus” player. We’d all take one but we need to fix a deeper problem than just one of our players having a purple patch whilst the team overall continues mediocrity. The system, tactics, coaching, player development, balance, mentality and recruitment all have to come together to produce significant progress. Personally I’m not seeing how it happens under ETH.
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As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy with his introduction to the PL. Our team isn't easy to play with at the beginning.
My main concern is whether we truly needed a player of his mould or not. It doesn't mean I'm certain he won't work out, just that I am hoping for it
Yeah but still that is behind him and the space he wants is infront of him for him to use the one thing he wants to do. Play triangles, then once you’ve drawn in to opposition play the ball over the top. That’s why Bruno kept pulling out to the wing facing the entire pitch so he could see more passing options.
For whatever reason on the day Marcus did make a few runs that were ignored but generally that tweet just seems like someone trying to make a problem where there isn’t one.
26 yo Rashford at LW and 21 yo Hojlund as striker can do that. Garnacho and Fernandes around 15. What we are desperate for is a RW next summer. That would improve our overall attack a lot. Just look at how we did when Greenwood was decent there for a short while.
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Hojlund is capable
Hojlund scarred 10 in 30 in his first season. A goal every 3 games. I think he is very capable of stepping up to 20 goals.
We are 2 games in to the season. ETH said we were not ready v Fulham we won.
We could and should have beaten Brighton. Terrible defending cost us.
Stop the meltdown.
We are 2 games in to the season. ETH said we were not ready v Fulham we won.
We could and should have beaten Brighton. Terrible defending cost us.
Stop the meltdown.
The issue is service, our wingers all want to score first of all, so the striker is always at a disadvantage. After a while, they stop making those runs. Zirkzee was getting grief for screwing up Garnacho's goal, but he was right where the striker should be.
Funny how Havertz who scored 14 in 51 is a player who could get 20, but Hojlund who scored 16 in 43 (while being new to the league, in a worse team, and four years younger) isn't.
It took him a while to get going though and some of his goals, in fact a lot of them were in the CL not the PL. If he gets scoring straight as he comes back and avoids another injury he might score a lot of goals.
To some degree you have to hope that Hojlund and Garnacho kick on a bit this year and contribute more goals, and Zirkzee replaces McTominay's goals. Maybe once they've all had time to bed in with the updated system and get up to fitness we'll start to see more returns, but this first few weeks is a rocky start they'll have to play through to get there. I hope once things are firing they can outdo last year's output.
It's Rashford though, he just doesn't look at the races despite having a full pre-season.
It's Rashford though, he just doesn't look at the races despite having a full pre-season.
Hojlund, Garnacho and Bruno should all be aiming for 15 goals a season. Garnacho should be on 2 already.
It's the others we need to worry about.
It's the others we need to worry about.
Has any of Arsenal’s attackers ever done 20 goals? It’s not about having some elite CF who will suddenly change everything, it’s about the setup behind the attackers and sharing the goals amongst attackers and midfielders.
Put Haaland into this team, an extreme example of a pure finisher without really being great at lots of other stuff. He’d get the ball so little even he’d struggle to hit those numbers.
Put Haaland into this team, an extreme example of a pure finisher without really being great at lots of other stuff. He’d get the ball so little even he’d struggle to hit those numbers.
We struggled to creates chances when we had players like Cavani and Ronaldo. Yes, they were both past their peak, but you can't knock their movement in the box, positioning, experience. So many times I would watch our games with them, and they would make run after run after run, yet far too rarely did someone cross an early ball into the box for them to attack.
We get the ball into advanced ares and then have no idea what to do, so we pass it backwards.