Wayne Rooney's Salary

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I really don't understand why people keep bringing up his 300k or whatever salary again and again. Whether he is past it or not should have nothing to do with his salary.

From what I have read, which makes a lot of sense, is that Rooney's salary is this high not because of his performance as a player but because of the Wayne Rooney brand name that generates so much profit for the club.

His salary is obviously a business decision. The club sees profit in it which is why they pay him that much -- not because he is scoring goals like Suarez.

Please stop mentioning his salary when you criticize him. It just makes no sense.
 
Does he generate so much money? He's ugly, he's hardly talented anymore and he can't string 2 sentences together. We can replace him with a chimp and no one would barely notice
 
I don't have a problem with what he earns. I have a problem with his undroppable status.
 
When he signed the contract didn't he sell more shirts than any other player in the world or some nonsense?
 
If a person doesn't earn his pay anymore....
 
So what exactly is the purpose of this thread?

The purpose is that a lot of people say "wow cannot believe the board is getting conned like that. Paying 300k for Rooney while player X that is way better gets less" and I want to make the point of his salary not being this high for his performances.
 
When he signed that contract there was all sorts of stories flying around including he gets a say in our future signings... Regardless of all that and his MASSIVE WAGE, why is he undroppable is what pisses me off?
 
The purpose is that a lot of people say "wow cannot believe the board is getting conned like that. Paying 300k for Rooney while player X that is way better gets less" and I want to make the point of his salary not being this high for his performances.

Noted. So next time I have a moan about his performances, I'll be sure to mention his status as our captain who can't be dropped. *edit* it's a sad indictment on our priorities as a football club that Rooney earns his wages not based on his on field performance. I'm sure David Beckham was a bigger draw than him but even he got fecked off.

On the topic of wages, captaincy and first-name-on-teamsheet status, Roy Keane threatened to leave for Juventus or Bayern Munich back in 2000 if we didn't break our wage structure and pay him $50k per week. I didn't think many United fans were mad at him for this as they felt that he deserved the raise.

I don't think most people have a problem with players getting paid a fortune if they justified it with consistently high performances.
 
I bet if we offered Griezmann 300K a week he'd come here. That's why it's annoying.
 
I really don't understand why people keep bringing up his 300k or whatever salary again and again. Whether he is past it or not should have nothing to do with his salary.

From what I have read, which makes a lot of sense, is that Rooney's salary is this high not because of his performance as a player but because of the Wayne Rooney brand name that generates so much profit for the club.

His salary is obviously a business decision. The club sees profit in it which is why they pay him that much -- not because he is scoring goals like Suarez.

Please stop mentioning his salary when you criticize him. It just makes no sense.


Agree. This is just a situation where a club sponsors a traffic cone hoping this will help boosting the exposure of the brand. Just business.


Shame that the said traffic cone seems to be undroppable though - probably linked to that sponsorship contract, causing the brand to lose its appeal both now and in the long run.
 
The purpose is that a lot of people say "wow cannot believe the board is getting conned like that. Paying 300k for Rooney while player X that is way better gets less" and I want to make the point of his salary not being this high for his performances.
Memphis and Basti both sold more shirts from the most recent sale figures released by kitbag and when you look at the top ten earners in world football Rooney looks as ridiculous as Asamoah Gyan to be a member on it.
 
Yes, I also have no idea why people keep bringing it up over and over and over again. It gets tedious and boring very quickly.
From what I have read, which makes a lot of sense, is that Rooney's salary is this high not because of his performance as a player but because of the Wayne Rooney brand name that generates so much profit for the club.
http://www.sportspromedia.com/notes...nd_wayne_rooneys_ground_breaking_new_contract
This is the article you are after.
Essentially, Rooney’s new deal is split into three distinct parts. The first part is his basic salary, which, in fact, does not seem to have risen much, if at all, on what Stretford agreed for him in 2010. The second part is for his image rights. Standard practice in soccer for well over a decade, United pay Rooney, or at least a company registered in the player’s name, an annual fee to use him as part of a collective of other United players for promotional activities – either directly for the club, or for the club’s manifold sponsors. The practice has come under scrutiny in the past because it can allow players to receive more net pay from a club as income tax can be sidestepped by paying image rights to a private company.

I bet if we offered Griezmann 300K a week he'd come here. That's why it's annoying.
Why would we offer to pay Griezmann (who has never even kicked a ball in the PL) 300k a week right off the bat? That would be one of the most stupid decisions ever. He, like every other sensibly imported player should be paid in accordance with his value, stature and his projected value over time as an asset. If that is up to and including 300k a week then so be it, but I highly doubt that.

We aren't City/Chelsea who have billions of pounds in a safety net to bail us out if players go to pot. We run off forecast financial revenue streams. People have developed this idea that we can just go around importing anybody on any money and paying silly money because thats how football transfers and wages work, then they go and make silly comparisons like this to a player who has been on our books for over 10 years. If a player doesn't perform or have stature/pedigree and is a high earner they are turfed almost straight away if it is unsustainable.

When Griezmann has done 10 years of hard service and is near breaking records and a indisputable legend of the club. Then he can sign the massive wage deals. Until then, we pay market value (or slightly above, United tax) for our players.

Does he generate so much money? He's ugly, he's hardly talented anymore and he can't string 2 sentences together. We can replace him with a chimp and no one would barely notice
drivelish.
 
Next thread suggestion for OP:

"When discussing Wayne Rooney, please stop referring to his performances on the pitch as it gets very boring and tedious."
 
The club will generate money with or without Wayne Rooney. If we can survive the loss of players like Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo, I don't see why we'd keep a past-it Rooney around because he sells a few shirts. So while he's here and earning more than all but a handful of players in the world then yes he salary should be used to judge his performances.
 
Shamans is definitely on commission from the Rooney's.

Leave Wayne's obscene wages alone!
 
Why would we offer to pay Griezmann (who has never even kicked a ball in the PL) 300k a week right off the bat? That would be one of the most stupid decisions ever. He, like every other sensibly imported player should be paid in accordance with his value, stature and his projected value over time as an asset. If that is up to and including 300k a week then so be it, but I highly doubt that.

When Griezmann has done 10 years of hard service and is near breaking records and a indisputable legend of the club. Then he can sign the massive wage deals. Until then, we pay market value (or slightly above, United tax) for our players.
Theyre footballers. All they do is play football, which means that their value/stature/projected value is tied inextricably to their footballing ability or potential. At this moment, Griezmann is the better footballer, and therefore the more valuable (and more deserving of a bigger contract). Inexperience in the Premier League is a factor to consider, but to dismiss a player just because he plays in another league is idiotic and illogical. For every failure and flop there is a success story. Lets not forget the best striker in the league at the moment was an import from the exact same club as Griezmann is playing in now.

Also, I'd like to add that sentimentality is counter productive. Players who have served us well deserve our respect, love and idolization. But when it comes to allocating the finances of our club in the most productive way we must look past rewarding players for their past achievements and start looking at improving the quality of our squad right now.

Rooney is a good player. Great even. But if I was given a choice between him and Griezmann for the same salary it wont even be a choice.
 
And of course it makes sense to bring up his salary. If he's not justifying his salary there's an opportunity cost there which completely negates "profit generating image" and then does further damage.
 
This thread is awful. It's not about whether he generates profit.

It's about club mentality, about having a squad where everyone knows that the only thing that matters and the only thing the club strives for, is what you deliver on the pitch.

Rooney is the antithesis of that. He gets pay bumbs for wanting to leave, starts regardless of form and takes home far more than his teammates for doing much less.

What he stands for in terms of employment policy is everything wrong with football.
 
I really don't understand why people keep bringing up his 300k or whatever salary again and again. Whether he is past it or not should have nothing to do with his salary.

From what I have read, which makes a lot of sense, is that Rooney's salary is this high not because of his performance as a player but because of the Wayne Rooney brand name that generates so much profit for the club.

His salary is obviously a business decision. The club sees profit in it which is why they pay him that much -- not because he is scoring goals like Suarez.

You are right, the fact that he's past it has nothing to do with any net profit or loss we make on him

Please stop mentioning his salary when you criticize him. It just makes no sense.
I wouldn't say his salary is immaterial though. This "we make a profit from his salary" seems like the type of nonsense people spout when they say that signing Ronaldo "would be worth it in shirt sales alone".

Firstly, who says Rooney is generating a profit for the club? The clubs value in the stock market has plummeted in the last few years. When we tied Rooney to that contract, he was one of the most important players here and Chelsea were after him for a lot of money.

Secondly, there are other negative aspects to having him on such a big salary. Wage structure. Why is he getting paid more than me? etc.
 
Theyre footballers. All they do is play football, which means that their value/stature/projected value is tied inextricably to their footballing ability or potential. At this moment, Griezmann is the better footballer, and therefore the more valuable (and more deserving of a bigger contract). Inexperience in the Premier League is a factor to consider, but to dismiss a player just because he plays in another league is idiotic and illogical. For every failure and flop there is a success story. Lets not forget the best striker in the league at the moment was an import from the exact same club as Griezmann is playing in now.

Also, I'd like to add that sentimentality is counter productive. Players who have served us well deserve our respect, love and idolization. But when it comes to allocating the finances of our club in the most productive way we must look past rewarding players for their past achievements and start looking at improving the quality of our squad right now.

Rooney is a good player. Great even. But if I was given a choice between him and Griezmann for the same salary it wont even be a choice.
The problem is that a lot of people look at salaries in football

A) solely as a reward for past achievements ;completely ignoring the fact that you're paying the employee right now and hence any valuation that ignores the present is already flawed in it's methodology. Messi can be as big a legend for Barcelona but paying him 300K/400K/500K the moment he starts performing like Peter Crouch is, by any definition, a real issue. The same with Rooney. He might have achieved a lot, but he's being paid the wage/salary right now for the week/month just gone by. And he's not justifying the pay right now.

B) football is a business, but not just a business; if we're just going to judge Manchester United like we're going to judge Pepsi/Apple who can easily claim an asset is worth it if it is generating enough revenue to cover it's cost, then we couldn't be more wrong if we tried. Unlike those companies, United rely on the performances on the pitch first and foremost. Our entire success story and financial might is interlinked with our footballing achievements. Spend the next 10 years mid-table fielding 11 overpaid Wayne Rooney's and we will no longer be a force in football. That's where football assets are different from usual business assets.
 
Theyre footballers. All they do is play football, which means that their value/stature/projected value is tied inextricably to their footballing ability or potential. At this moment, Griezmann is the better footballer, and therefore the more valuable (and more deserving of a bigger contract). Inexperience in the Premier League is a factor to consider, but to dismiss a player just because he plays in another league is idiotic and illogical. For every failure and flop there is a success story. Lets not forget the best striker in the league at the moment was an import from the exact same club as Griezmann is playing in now.
Where have I dismissed anything or anyone? All I said is you wouldn't import any player onto 300k a week unless that was his value (ie Falcao loan ~2/3XX,XXXk/pw or Di Maria going from 220k to 250k with us don't quote me on those figures I haven't checked them in a long time but from what I remember happy to go double check if it suits a counter argument.) He is currently on around 90k/w at Atletico, the club wouldn't be throwing down 300k on the table straight away. Probably even less so now that Di Maria and Falcao have flopped, they will be a lot more wary.

Also, I'd like to add that sentimentality is counter productive. Players who have served us well deserve our respect, love and idolization. But when it comes to allocating the finances of our club in the most productive way we must look past rewarding players for their past achievements and start looking at improving the quality of our squad right now.
Yes, they deserve our (fans) love, respect and idolization. They get paid accordingly by the club, in this case several negotiated deals in a stepped pay increase manner over a long period of service. Pay, wages and image rights aren't negotiated on a game by game basis. They are negotiated at the signing of a contract extension.

Rooney is a good player. Great even. But if I was given a choice between him and Griezmann for the same salary it wont even be a choice.
He's one of our best ever goal scorers and has served the club for over 10 years. Importing and paying Griezmann over triple the current salary he is payed at Atleti' would be a terrible move. We'd negotiate something much closer to his current salary to begin with.

Don't confuse my argument for me not wanting to pay silly money and wages for Griezmann and arguing that in my opinion the club would not be paying him a similar salary to Rooney for his importation on an entry deal. Rooney is highly paid because of his length of service and the garnered trophy success/personal success over this time period.

United rely on the performances on the pitch first and foremost. Our entire success story and financial might is interlinked with our footballing achievements.
Not entirely. I think drifter opened a thread on it not long ago saying our commercial revenue (outside match day and participation income) completely dwarfs what we earn through natural footballing streams.

The depreciation of our "footballing persona" as you mention it above does not begin and end with one player. The legacy has lasted fifty or so years already, the ties Sir Alex have left will depreciate slowly in my opinion, but over time you are correct it will cause a concern. I would not think it was anywhere in the life of Rooney's current contract let alone his continuation and retirement (if he stays at the club).

edit; On a global note that article I posted above says that his base salary is probably closer to the 150k deal he signed back in 2010... (or 175, 200? can't remember) So make of that what you will.
 
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For me it's been more to do with the lack of effort he's been making over the last 2-3 seasons. It's the old adage of putting yourself in their shoes, you'd at least try. He doesn't anymore which is the most frustrating thing. When he serves up what he does on the pitch on a regular basis then of course his wages are going to factor in to the argument just as his position in the team and his captaincy does.
 
The reason is simple: United have a salary budget, so where you have a player who is earning 4, 5 or 6 times his contribution it has a negative effect on the squad, as there is a smaller budget for the rest of the squad. When the market value for a £300k a week salary is (minimum) a player of the quality of the likes Neymar, Suarez or Bale; having a player who has a contribution significantly less than this means the squad is going to be inferior.

Consider a somewhat fictional scenario (albeit based on reality): last Summer we were at close to our maximum wage bill for our projected turnover. We were aware that Man City were in for De Bruyne and were seriously interested. However he wanted to be paid £200k a week. If Rooney were on a salary to match his contribution (say £80k per week), we'd have had the capex to complete the deal. We therefore not only go into the season one top class player down because we are significantly over-paying a player in comparison to his contribution, but our rivals also obtain a player whose does prove value for money (who may prove to be the difference between Champions League Football and Europa League Football next season).

This is the same with any player. For every player that is being significantly overpaid in respect of their contribution your squad either a) weakens; or b) you have to find a player significantly underpaid in terms of their contribution to balance it out.
 
Replace him with a chimp.

Either you replace him with someone whose as good as him with the same salary or bring someone whose less good with less salary. Seriously I don't understand why we're paying this guy 300k a week any more. I know a thing or two about marketing and for a top club to use a has been as their poster boy is sad.

We are better off using DDG (the only WC player we have), Martial or Smalling.
 
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Does he generate so much money? He's ugly, he's hardly talented anymore and he can't string 2 sentences together. We can replace him with a chimp and no one would barely notice

Harsh, but true :lol:
 
Not entirely. I think drifter opened a thread on it not long ago saying our commercial revenue (outside match day and participation income) completely dwarfs what we earn through natural footballing streams.
That is derived from our footballing successes which was the point.

The depreciation of our "footballing persona" as you mention it above does not begin and end with one player. The legacy has lasted fifty or so years already, the ties Sir Alex have left will depreciate slowly in my opinion, but over time you are correct it will cause a concern.
I didn't say it began and ended with one player. But this thread is about Rooney and there's a clear disparity between how much he's paid and his on-field performances. I'm not concerned with the ties SAF left. I'm interested in A) our players being good enough and B) justifying their pay and status (a problem with Rooney) by way of performances.
 
That is derived from our footballing successes which was the point.
Yes, but that is not a buy/sell comodity that is traded on the open market. The name of this club will still be milked long after we are all gone, there is no doubt about that. I do agree with your point though.

I didn't say it began and ended with one player. But this thread is about Rooney and there's a clear disparity between how much he's paid and his on-field performances. I'm not concerned with the ties SAF left. I'm interested in A) our players being good enough and B) justifying their pay and status (a problem with Rooney) by way of performances.
There is no disparity. He is not an imported player that has just signed a new deal without having any legacy to back it up.
 
So you started a thread to talk about something you want people to stop talking about?

I'm not sure you thought this through.
 
Yes, but that is not a buy/sell comodity that is traded on the open market. The name of this club will still be milked long after we are all gone, there is no doubt about that. I do agree with your point though.
Of course. That's why clubs have to be extremely careful when they enter into long contracts. I do we should milk the club's prior success, absolutely, but it should never deviate/distract/override from making the best decisions for our on-field performance.
 
So you started a thread to talk about something you want people to stop talking about?

I'm not sure you thought this through.
:lol: It's his Britney moment. Incomplete without a video IMO.