'Wayne Rooney is a sacrificial lamb and I hate it'
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Ain't karma a bitch. He has no problem kicking us in the teeth when we're down
In reference to wanting to leave the club years ago I guess? I've always found this logic weird. In hindsight it seems clear he was angling for a new contract and there's nothing wrong withh that. THe season before he did it he scored 35 goals and the season after he scored the same amount again. In fairness to the guy he was at his prime as a footballer. Maybe its a bit of a shitty thing to do but he probably saw it as the perfect time to get himself a huge contract and it worked. I don't know if we were down either. We'd finished 1 point behind Chelsea the season before he did it and won the league the season he signed the contract so it's not a bad record. I have always found it odd how United fans slate Rooney for doing this but then they put Ronaldo on this untouchable mantle when he actually left the club and is happy to use the clubs name when he wants new contract at Madrid with his "I might go back" bollocks.
Rooney is done at a top level though which is a shame. I don't think he'd improve any premier league team he'd take most of them backwards I'd be gutted if I was an Everton fan and he joined cos they look like improving as a team and he'd make them worse than they are. If I had to guess I reckon he'd go there though or maybe Newcastle as some "marquee signing" before going on to be shite.
Oh wages and contract haggling is a fair game. But throwing the team under the bus by saying its not quality... Angry and confused...
Well... It's strictly business now for us and him. He started it.
Each to their own I suppose. I've never really had a problem with it. Again it all just seemed a way of getting a new contract and massive money and it worked for him. I think personally once that one happened is when I just started thinking that they all view football as strictly a job and there's pretty much no loyalty involved. I'd imagine what he said publicly to us and behind the scenes to his teammates was completely different in all honesty, though I'm not claiming that as fact as I don't know it seems no player he's played with has ever had a problem with him though.
He can't match our ambition.
I would argue 10/11 was his last real quality season.
I wish he'd sod off.
His last true world class probably but still think he was an excellent player until 2014, went to pure shit from there.
Classic case of mutton dressed as lamb.
He certainly got roasted on Sunday...
Good one.
I don't think the decline was sudden. It's been apparent for about 3 years. It's only because he was still decent and better than our other striker options for half of that period, that it masked the fact that he was nowhere near his own earlier standards. By the 2nd half of last season it was obvious that he was in his final legs. This season simply confirms it and follows on the same downward spiral.
What is surprising though, is that he started declining at 28 which is extremely early and probably 3-4 years earlier than the average. The reasons for that might be genetic, or lifestyle related, or likely a mixture of both. Who knows. But really, why does it even matter? It doesn't change the fact that he's done and now that's all that's important.
After 3 years of steady decline he's now at the state where G.Neville found himself in at the end of 09-10 and the age of 35. Basically a shell of his previous self, making hapless challenges all over the pitch and unable to keep up with the pace of the game. A hindrance to his own team.
Firstly, he needs a reality check because based on some of his comments he thinks he could do what Ibra is doing, being competitive till he's 35-36. Whether that's just some self-publicity (laying the ground work for his next move) or something he indeed believes in, is uncertain.
Secondly, if he does not want to tarnish his reputation any further (something his transfer requests had already managed for some fans), then he should contemplate either going to a less competitive league for a final paycheck or retire before it gets to the point where the fans start to boo him. Cause that would be sad both for him and the club.
What is surprising though, is that he started declining at 28 which is extremely early and probably 3-4 years earlier than the average. The reasons for that might be genetic, or lifestyle related, or likely a mixture of both. Who knows. But really, why does it even matter? It doesn't change the fact that he's done and now that's all that's important.
After 3 years of steady decline he's now at the state where G.Neville found himself in at the end of 09-10 and the age of 35. Basically a shell of his previous self, making hapless challenges all over the pitch and unable to keep up with the pace of the game. A hindrance to his own team.
Firstly, he needs a reality check because based on some of his comments he thinks he could do what Ibra is doing, being competitive till he's 35-36. Whether that's just some self-publicity (laying the ground work for his next move) or something he indeed believes in, is uncertain.
Secondly, if he does not want to tarnish his reputation any further (something his transfer requests had already managed for some fans), then he should contemplate either going to a less competitive league for a final paycheck or retire before it gets to the point where the fans start to boo him. Cause that would be sad both for him and the club.
Good post. Don't know if it is psychological or physical decline(losing a step or two) as he was incredibly rapid as a teen. A lot of people thought he would outlast Ronaldo being more time closer to his peak for his other attributes(like passing/vision) but his only passing nowadays is envisioning Valencia on the right wing.
It doesn't look good when people ask themselves when he'll retire and he's just 31.
Yesterday he cost us the game - should have squared it to Mata and it's 0-1 with Arsenal against a packed defence. He's a liability nowadays.
Talkshite really wheeling out the BS this morning.
Claiming that his poor performances have been down to Jose playing him out of position and not giving him a consistent run up front
Claiming that his poor performances have been down to Jose playing him out of position and not giving him a consistent run up front
Sadly that is what most clubs in the premier league will say when we try to flog him.
The annual "Wayne Rooney's best position is whatever he's not playing now"Talkshite really wheeling out the BS this morning.
Claiming that his poor performances have been down to Jose playing him out of position and not giving him a consistent run up front
It's actually baffling, there's no way these pundits can seriously keep rimming him. So obsequious.
He's done. It's been way less dramatic than I would have expected. Just got phased out and nobody really cared. I wish him well wherever he goes. He's been a wonderful player for us.
Jose is not stupid, if Rooney was still any good he would be playing him. He isn't playing him because is he done. I didn't bother putting that station on today as I would just launch the radio through the window. I like my radio so didn't want to do that. Stayed well away from the papers as well.Talkshite really wheeling out the BS this morning.
Claiming that his poor performances have been down to Jose playing him out of position and not giving him a consistent run up front
In terms of deadwood, Rooney has become a redwood tree.
He is fossilized. No. A fossil would move faster.
He'd have to lose some weight for that.
I think even Mourinho's harshest critics would have to give him his due for how Rooney was managed.
There's not much to say is there, he has been brilliant for us in the past. But I really can't help but despair when seeing him on the teamsheet. I just don't trust him as a player. Regardless of what I think of other players, but to not trust a player that only 31 and has been with the club 13 years is sad. I nearly always expect him to make the wrong decision and he seems to always do just that. Just yesterday there was about 10 minutes left and McTominay just came on. McTominay was completely free for a short pass to try build something and Rooney clipped it forward 20 yards right to an Arsenal player. I get he wanted to move up the pitch quickly, but it was such a poor decision from him rather than play in the man that was wide open 5 yards away.
I think this season was needed for everybody except Rooney. We've phased him out of the first team easily and even when he does play if reinforces the point that he simply should not start for us. I suppose it worked for Rooney too in that he got the record.
What I'm not sure of is going forward. He's still under contract with us and I doubt anyone outside of China will pay any decent money for him. I wonder how we'll approach that.
I think this season was needed for everybody except Rooney. We've phased him out of the first team easily and even when he does play if reinforces the point that he simply should not start for us. I suppose it worked for Rooney too in that he got the record.
What I'm not sure of is going forward. He's still under contract with us and I doubt anyone outside of China will pay any decent money for him. I wonder how we'll approach that.
Could be a Rooney quote tbh.
Right on. Totally agree with this.
I hope it's his agent calling in some favours... maybe doesn't want the narrative too negative in case he's negotiating a new deal with someone else... I dunno, but I can't believe these guys believe that.Talkshite really wheeling out the BS this morning.
Claiming that his poor performances have been down to Jose playing him out of position and not giving him a consistent run up front
Otherwise, it's bloody sad having people saying how good you are, whilst everyone watches you embarrass yourself... needs his friends to tell him the truth at least..
LMAO. You just made my day.
Errr... doesn't he have TWO more years left on his current contract?
At what point does buying him out become the only sensible option.
At what point does buying him out become the only sensible option.
We won't need to.
Mourinho just needs to sit him and his agent down and tell them quite matter of factly that he will not play again but we'll let him leave on a free so he can negotiate a good deal with LA Galaxy or whoever.
Getting him off the wage book and more importantly out of the squad is totally worth giving up a small transfer fee.
Who wouldn't lounge on the bench for 2 years salary?
He wouldn't cut it at LA Galaxy. I'd be livid if an MLS club bought into the hype and brought him over.
He was great during the run-in that year, but you can't call it a quality season when he only started playing in February. Before that his performances were every bit as bad as we've been seeing lately.
09/10 was his last really quality season, and the only year he was truly world class throughout.
You'd hope he'd rather play than sit in the stands.
Who's your MLS team, the Red Bulls? They can have him
Nobody will pay his wages, nobody.
If you've ever conducted any business with Chinese you will realize they are not stupid. They take the long view, but never stupid. To the contrary, most of the time they end up with a substantial advantage in their business dealings. I don't see how the Chinese or anyone else would pay any kind of fee to United and pay Rooney's wages.
As I watch Rooney now the thing that stands out... aside from the shoddy, washed up performances... is his incredibly poor temperament, which creates what I can only describe as a lack of leadership (an odd thing to say about your Captain). His ranting and raving, yelling at team mates, referees, opposing players. In fairness this is something Rooney has always done... but then again he used to score 20 goals a season without breaking a sweat. Now that his game has fallen apart, the on field theatrics really look out of place. It makes you wonder if he carries himself like that on the training ground (unlike a player like Schweinsteiger- who by all accounts was very professional during his exile). The point I am making is that I worry about the impact of "keeping Rooney around" rather than idea of just paying him to go away. He brings so little to the table that the effect of younger players watching him soaking up his ridiculous wages for doing nothing (then yelling and swearing during one of his cameos on the pitch) can't be good.
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Completely agree with this.
2009/2010 was his last genuinely World Class season. He had a good end to 10/11 and a good start to 11/12 but basically has been in a slow decline ever since.
Rooney still has name brand recognition in parts of Asia. If the Chinese buy him he will pay them back in marketing potential, not for whatever the hell he does on the field these days.