[SteveJ]

Hardly a defence. Just think the level of antipathy and hatred aimed at someone just because their not as good at football as they used to be seems a bit disproportionate.

You're willfully ignoring the context of Rooney's behaviour at United, let alone his lacklustre performances in recent years - there's no point in fans, pundits and journalists constantly reminding us of Wayne's glorious past if that past fails to include the not-so-glorious parts.

 

[Adisa]

So as far as Robson is concerned, Rooney deserves to play because he hasn't been the worst player.
Can't be bothered to respond to that.

 

[dichinero]

Hardly a defence. Just think the level of antipathy and hatred aimed at someone just because their not as good at football as they used to be seems a bit disproportionate.

Disproportionate to the 300k/w? being a major hindrance to the progression of United? Poor Wane

 

[theyneverlearn]

So as far as Robson is concerned, Rooney deserves to play because he hasn't been the worst player.
Can't be bothered to respond to that.

Did he name a worse performer based on expectation, wages, and position on the pitch?

I can't name a worse player based on the above. Depay has come in and hasn't shone, but he's not got the expectation that Rooney has, nor the wages.

 

[Devil may care]

Looking at the Caf this morning we have Dortmund and Spurs fans talking shit about us, but they don't play most games with 10 men like we do.

 

[Adisa]

 

[Raees]

Really wonder how legends of the past like Best, Law and Charlton would be have been viewed in the later years of their careers if Redcafe had been around at the time. Charlton failing to score double figures in his last 3 seasons would surely be seen as a has been outstaying his welcome in a team that was struggling badly and heading to relegation. Best could hardly be forgiven for walking out on the club while still in his prime at a time when we really needed him. And despite a lack of celebration you could hardly forgive Denis Law for first moving to City and then relegating us.

They'd have been right then because over indulging those legends cost United decades worth in trophies.

 

[SteveJ]

"In my final year … I felt he was struggling to get by people and had lost some of his old thrust,” wrote Ferguson in his autobiography. “But he was capable of making extraordinary contributions … as time wore on, I felt he struggled more and more to do it for 90 minutes, and he seemed to tire in games.” That was four seasons ago.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Fantastic read.

 

[rocks13]

They'd have been right then because over indulging those legends cost United decades worth in trophies.

So you think Best, Law and Charlton did Manchester United more harm than good?

 

[Raees]

So you think Best, Law and Charlton did Manchester United more harm than good?

Best and Charlton in many books have been cited as having overstayed their welcome. Charlton in particular was referred to as a negative political influence which affected quite a few managers who deep down wanted to start afresh but felt tied down to the Busby legacy.

Doesn't matter how legendary the player is, you have to cut the cord when that player is becoming a detriment rather than an asset. Moment you show any sentiment in sport, you'll get passed by.

 

[Cutch]

Hard to argue with any of that. Very good read

 

[Lurpak99]

Best and Charlton in many books have been cited as having overstayed their welcome. Charlton in particular was referred to as a negative political influence which affected quite a few managers who deep down wanted to start afresh but felt tied down to the Busby legacy.

Doesn't matter how legendary the player is, you have to cut the cord when that player is becoming a detriment rather than an asset. Moment you show any sentiment in sport, you'll get passed by.

So really it was down to spineless managers.

 

[The-Natural]

Posters on here who insist that those of us who want Rooney removed from the first 11 are just spoiled brats looking to find a scapegoat for the reason we don't get to celebrate a shiny league trophy at the end of the season anymore are wrong.

United fans generally have taken our recent fall from grace with a lot of dignity in my opinion but nevertheless the problems need addressing with a very obvious one being that we consistently build our team around a chronically under-performing player.

Dropping those that don't merit a place in the starting 11 and giving those on the bench more than 45 minutes to prove themselves sounds like a good place to start to me.

That is all, surely.

 

[Adisa]

It's quite incredible that the things Fergie noted have deteriorated in the four years but we are still trudging him around every minute of every game.
It's like we keep on flogging a work horsey hat is about to die.

 

[Raees]

So really it was down to spineless managers.

Well yes. Point being that you can't trust players themselves to call it a day and some players will go to extreme measures to ensure they undermine the manager and keep the status quo. Worst thing the fans can do is protect that player because there is only one person with the interests of the club at heart and that is always going to be the manager.

 

[.Rossi]

I was going to say he's fecked if Vardy or Rashford out shine him tomorrow but, I then remembered who the England manager is....

Samuel will be getting another tour of the Yorkshire pudding and gravy factory when this is going on

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Posters on here who insist that those of us who want Rooney removed from the first 11 are just spoiled brats looking to find a scapegoat for the reason we don't get to celebrate a shiny league trophy at the end of the season anymore are wrong.

United fans generally have taken our recent fall from grace with a lot of dignity in my opinion but nevertheless the problems need addressing with a very obvious one being that we consistently build our team around a chronically under-performing player.

Dropping those that don't merit a place in the starting 11 and giving those on the bench more than 45 minutes to prove themselves sounds like a good place to start to me.

That is all, surely.

Spot on.

 

[rocks13]

Well yes. Point being that you can't trust players themselves to call it a day and some players will go to extreme measures to ensure they undermine the manager and keep the status quo. Worst thing the fans can do is protect that player because there is only one person with the interests of the club at heart and that is always going to be the manager.

So if Mourinho keeps picking Rooney he should be sacked???

 

[Cheesy]

The stat about how he's only scored two goals since February is incredible, and it's even more incredible that people have been trying to defend his output on the basis of a couple of early season assists.

 

[Lurpak99]

Well yes. Point being that you can't trust players themselves to call it a day and some players will go to extreme measures to ensure they undermine the manager and keep the status quo. Worst thing the fans can do is protect that player because there is only one person with the interests of the club at heart and that is always going to be the manager.

That's also why the manager is to blame first and foremost, if that player keeps playing. You can't expect successful people to suddenly think that they aren't good enough anymore, that's where the manager comes in and tell them otherwise.

 

[Minimalist]

So if Mourinho keeps picking Rooney he should be sacked???

100%.

 

[podurban2]

So if Mourinho keeps picking Rooney he should be sacked???

If it's clearly the wrong thing to do, why not?

 

[rocks13]

100%.

Even if the team are winning?????

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Even if the team are winning?????

Alot of it goes hand in hand though doesn't it. If Rooney plays in the pivotal positions, We wont win anything.

 

[rocks13]

Alot of it goes hand in hand though doesn't it. If Rooney plays in the pivotal positions, We wont win anything.

We've won 5 out of 7 games Rooney played and lost the one he didn't.

 

[Devil may care]

This part is very much nail on the head.

With a player as good as Rooney was, there will always be moments of residual excellence, like his run to create Juan Mata’s goal in the FA Cup final and the lovely assist for Marcus Rashford at Hull. But they are few and far between and do not compensate for the way he generally coagulates United’s attacking play. The fact he has scored only two goals since the start of February, both against Bournemouth, are not a powerful case for his retention either.

 

[itso 7]

Even if the team are winning?????

If Rooney starts more than half of our games we won't be making top four, forget about winning! And if we don't make top four....

 

[Minimalist]

Even if the team are winning?????

If we're winning regularly and consistently challenging, chances are Rooney has picked up his form. My response was based on his current ability which has spanned from 2013 to now. He's a squad player at best and I don't care if it's Pep Guardiola or Schteve McClaren - our manager will have to get rid of under-performers to succeed in this job.

 

[rocks13]

If Rooney starts more than half of our games we won't be making top four, forget about winning! And if we don't make top four....

We've won 5 out of the 7 games Rooney has played and lost the one he didn't.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

We've won 5 out of 7 games Rooney played and lost the one he didn't.

On that basis we also lost to Watford and City when he was arguably the worst on the pitch. The games we have won with him in the side are despite him. Chances are we will still win alot of games if he stays in the side, But we will never win trophies while he starts.

 

[rocks13]

On that basis we also lost to Watford and City when he was arguably the worst on the pitch. The games we have won with him in the side are despite him. Chances are we will still win alot of games if he stays in the side, But we will never win trophies while he starts.

Didn't we win a trophy a few months with Rooney starting?

 

[Minimalist]

Didn't we win a trophy a few months with Rooney starting?

And where did we finish in the league?

FA Cup a successful season does not make.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Didn't we win a trophy a few months with Rooney starting?

Yeah, A Mickey Mouse one in comparison to the big trophies, The ones players dream of winning. Also a competition we once pulled out of so come off it. You can delude yourself all you want about Rooney but I know it and everyone else knows he isn't good enough to start at any other top club in the world.

 

[Minimalist]

To be fair I don't think the FA Cup is a mickey mouse trophy but it's certainly not worth celebrating as much when you finish poorly in the league. It's a nice bonus (to win) these days provided the other showings (other competitions) are good too.

 

[itso 7]

We've won 5 out of the 7 games Rooney has played and lost the one he didn't.

And guess what happened as soon as we encountered teams that actually tested us. Plus you are looking at it the wrong way, what Rooney's presence is doing is that it is preventing the natural evolution of the team because we are carrying two thirty something players with no real pace, besides shoehorning the player we should be building around and keeping out players with the required energy. That is before we look at his ineffectiveness in central areas which means that we havw virtually given up on playing through teams and are predictable as a result. Bringing up his 'stats' does nothing to neutralize what everyone is seeing.

 

[Kostur]

Good read, perfectly summed up really.

 

[Sonny1972]

We've won 5 out of the 7 games Rooney has played and lost the one he didn't.

United is below average for 3 years now WITH Rooney who earns 300.000 k a week .

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Yeah, A Mickey Mouse one in comparison to the big trophies, The ones players dream of winning. Also a competition we once pulled out of so come off it. You can delude yourself all you want about Rooney but I know it and everyone else knows he isn't good enough to start at any other top club in the world.

The FA cup isnt a Mickey Mouse trophy.

 

[rocks13]

The FA cup isnt a Mickey Mouse trophy.

It is if you need it to be to criticise Wayne Rooney.