Yeah I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm just saying that even despite the fact that he already has 3 goals I just can't see him get 12 let alone 20. We're not going to face poor teams like Brugge any time soon.
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Memphis would've been through on goal there, Rooney just had a simple pass.
Hypotheticals get you nowhere but my first thought was what might've happened if Herrera were in that situation instead. I would almost certainly think Memphis gets a break at goal.
What really pissed me off about Rooney today is that even in previous games when he's not doing much offensively, he would at least be dropping deep and trying to work against the counterattack, which in this game we could've used. His effort was in the negative numbers. Absolutely did not want to know.
Categorically absolutely will not break sir bobs record. Won't do it this season and will be gone next
At this point I'm not sure he's even going to break Andy Cole's Premier League total.
I'd be perfectly happy for him never to start again
And to who. Don't think any club in Europe is going to take him for the money he'll want and some MLS club will be our best option. Which is why he'll probably stay for at least two more years.
It's just sad to see him play like this. And I'm not sure what we can do about it either. He's Wayne Rooney, and he wont be dropped, but his complete lack of physicality is a problem.
Any idea why LVG was scolding him during the game?
It's very possible that he won't be considered for the first 11 next season if he keeps it up. Maybe he will want to keep his England place and move on to somewhere he can play every week. But he has beaten Charlton's record so he probably wont care.
Yeah, that was very odd. He was plenty of place behind.There was a moment during the second half where he received the ball with loads of space behind him. Rather than taking the ball and turning into space he just passed it right back first-time. The defender he passed to (I think it was Blind, but not sure) didn't seem too happy about it.
The issue right now is that noone can say what he brings to the team. He's shockingly lacking pace and power, so he isn't a goal threat, but he isn't a great play maker either.
I'm just randomly hoping one day we see the proper Rooney turn up in the PL.
Thankfully we are winning whilst carrying him. Sooner he is dropped the better and he can kiss being our all time top scorer goodbye.
I don't care about his long and utterly disgusting contact. Club can afford it, but he shouldn't be anywhere near our first team squad, let alone first 11.
I don't care about his long and utterly disgusting contact. Club can afford it, but he shouldn't be anywhere near our first team squad, let alone first 11.
That's true and I agree, but I just don't see a buyer for him and whoever is in charge of England might not care if he regularly plays or not.
His inclusion is starting to hamper our performances. He needs to be benched and forced to work to earn his spot back. Herrera would have been much better than him today and I'm hopeful LvG will find the balls to drop him. He is slow, barely even jogs let alone sprints. His inclusion must be contract stipulated because had Herrera or Young or Mata played as badly they would training with the reserves. That has to rub some people the wrong way. I think he can improve but he needs to be motivated to do that and only dropping him will spur that on.
It's all very comfortable and if it remains so then he will never improve. A kick up the backside could do the trick because it would pressure him to prove himself to LvG. By keeping him on regardless LvG is not only holding the team back but he is also coming close to the point where players like Young and Herrera will rightly question his judgement since they work their arses off but must always make way for someone who is not earning his keep.
The Rooney we're seeing now is unrecognisable from the one we loved. He's always had patches of poor form and I had hoped that this was another one but it doesn't seem to matter where we play him, he just isn't up to it any more.
During the first half there was a void where he needed to be and the back four and midfield just had nothing central to aim for. When he did find himself on the ball be looked sluggish and devoid of creativity and drive.
He just doesn't offer anything anymore. I feel embarrassed for him most games, as the contrast between what he was and what he's become is so marked. It's sad to see.
During the first half there was a void where he needed to be and the back four and midfield just had nothing central to aim for. When he did find himself on the ball be looked sluggish and devoid of creativity and drive.
He just doesn't offer anything anymore. I feel embarrassed for him most games, as the contrast between what he was and what he's become is so marked. It's sad to see.
It really is. Funny thing, I'm still confident in his finishing abilities, but he doesn't seem to have the physical presence to be a goal threat right now.
Didn't even think his all round game was bad today. The one counter attack pass to Memphis he messed up aside, his passing and touch and all that was good. He just didn't look a goal threat, but hopefully he'll improve. Just needs to end the goal drought in the league and he'll be good again. You can tell he's playing within himself a bit and holding things back, it's not natural for him to be so possession oriented. He's much better when we start breaking quickly. He'll come good again, you just have to believe...
He deserved it?
For?
The last 4 pages sum it up well enough mate.
If it was his performance level, he would have been giving him bollockings since the start of the season. Looked like something tactcal. Reminded me of SAF in 2011 CL final.
I think that's most likely the case: he's still an excellent finisher (I doubt that ever leaves strikers even after retirement). But given his lack of movement, acceleration and close control, he's rarely going to get opportunities to score.
I'd happily stand corrected if he can find some proper form (over time) again but for me he's done. If only there was a way to sell him without all the drama.
At the start of the season people went on about form or position but I don't think these are the main factors, he just looks like he is struggling to get his body around the pitch most of the time. Like you say it is something that happens to athletes in top level sport, there is no clock on exactly when physical deterioration sets in, some will go on until nearly 40 like Giggs, others decline around the 30 mark like RvP and Shevchenko, I'd say Rooney looks like he is in the latter group.
He won't break the Utd scoring record this season.
No chance.
No chance.
Physically he is absolutely shot. There's just nothing left in the tank anymore.
He's becoming our Gerrard.
He's becoming our Gerrard.
20+ goals guaranteed.
I looked who is my best and worst rated player this season - no suprise with the best who is Smalling at 7,2 (Martial is 8.0 but i think he didn't played enough matches to be competing for it) but suprisingly the worst rated player for me is Rooney at 4.2.
And it tells a lot about his performances this year when i, one of the Rooney's biggest fans, rated him so low in this season. I rarely even give 3 points for performances, i really can't even remember when or even if a gave 3 points for performance of our players which tells that apart from Brugge away he was one of the worst players for us this season. He need to start performing because this is just not good enough, not good enough to be a first team player for United and definetly not good enough for a player of his reputation.
And it tells a lot about his performances this year when i, one of the Rooney's biggest fans, rated him so low in this season. I rarely even give 3 points for performances, i really can't even remember when or even if a gave 3 points for performance of our players which tells that apart from Brugge away he was one of the worst players for us this season. He need to start performing because this is just not good enough, not good enough to be a first team player for United and definetly not good enough for a player of his reputation.
Shit again today
Herrera should be starting instead of him
Herrera should be starting instead of him
I agree 100%
Or Mata, Or Fellaini. He really is our worst option at #10 right now.
But hey, he's Wayne Rooney, so he has to start.
Didn't see the game, was he really that bad again. Jeez
There is no excuses for him anymore, he doesn't do the simple Things right, he will still score goals here and there, but doesn't add enough to our overall play.
He's not going to break the goal record this season unless he scores a ton of penalties.
I'll be glad to see that proved wrong but I just can't see what could improve from a physical stand point. His passing and first touch has been poor for 2-3 seasons so it's not even like it's just bad form from that aspect.
I'll be glad to see that proved wrong but I just can't see what could improve from a physical stand point. His passing and first touch has been poor for 2-3 seasons so it's not even like it's just bad form from that aspect.
As much as I was impressed by Martial today, the equal and opposite could be said of Rooney.
He didn't do anything you want a #10 to do, and it's an indictment on him that even when not asked to score the goals or lead the line, he can't even get the passing the ball forward and being a creative hub for the team element right.
How many non-square or backward passes did he make today? How many threaded passes? It's more than a concern how... well, plain ordinary, Rooney looks out there. You'd never, in a million years, know this was our supposed star man if you'd not watched a game of ours before. He's honestly not giving us anything that half the league's #10's couldn't do at the moment, and that should be a big worry.
What I don't get is even if he is physically shot, which some people say, but I don't believe is the case, why has the ability to pass or try anything "Rooney-esque" completely deserted him as well? Rooney seems to be content to get the ball and just mindlessly play it square time and time again, he's not even trying things and having them not come off. Everything is just so bland and unimaginative from him these days, and I find that really depressing.
It's getting to the point where you have to wonder why he's getting game time and I never thought I'd say that about Rooney. I'm not one of the many Rooney haters, but I'm now getting to the point where I feel others need to be getting a go in the team instead of him.
He didn't do anything you want a #10 to do, and it's an indictment on him that even when not asked to score the goals or lead the line, he can't even get the passing the ball forward and being a creative hub for the team element right.
How many non-square or backward passes did he make today? How many threaded passes? It's more than a concern how... well, plain ordinary, Rooney looks out there. You'd never, in a million years, know this was our supposed star man if you'd not watched a game of ours before. He's honestly not giving us anything that half the league's #10's couldn't do at the moment, and that should be a big worry.
What I don't get is even if he is physically shot, which some people say, but I don't believe is the case, why has the ability to pass or try anything "Rooney-esque" completely deserted him as well? Rooney seems to be content to get the ball and just mindlessly play it square time and time again, he's not even trying things and having them not come off. Everything is just so bland and unimaginative from him these days, and I find that really depressing.
It's getting to the point where you have to wonder why he's getting game time and I never thought I'd say that about Rooney. I'm not one of the many Rooney haters, but I'm now getting to the point where I feel others need to be getting a go in the team instead of him.
Just imagine how good we will be once Wayne comes into form.
Like to see what Pereira can do.
weve been waiting for ages.
Dunno, even when he's had chances (Swansea) he's been indecisive. He used to be a handful irrespective of whether he was scoring goals or not but I don't actually have any confidence in any area of his game just now.
The dynamism is just not there.
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