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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 41
- Goals
- 15
- Assists
- 6
- Yellow cards
- 5
- Status
He's looked better in these two matches for England than he has all season for United
5 chances created? Would love to hear which ones!
Average and it's embarrassing how much the media are overrating him on today's showing.
Average and it's embarrassing how much the media are overrating him on today's showing.
I suppose I should prepare myself for yet another wave of "Rooney reinvents himself" and "he's back" type newspaper articles. feck.
Rooney has had loads of crap moments this season. This game (and the last few) showed more good than bad. He has done well and I'm not averse to actually supporting a player whose form is on an upturn, and whose testimonial will be held in less than 2 months' time. If that makes me biased and delusional, then I'll carry that label gladly.
At least three came from corners, missed headers. One was a nice ball for Alli IIRC. The stat is accurate. Whoscored actually have him at 6 chances created.
Very good game again. Clear to see what people here are biased against him and can't admit to a good performance because of a blatant dislike of him.
He played decent in my opinion. To say he had a great game or bad game would be over reacting.
I thought he was good against Russia but poor today.
That's why stats can be so miss leading, the interpretation of 'chances created' can be so minimal. I can't think of a pass or cross that set up a clear chance on goal, nevermind 5 or 6.
If Rooney got 3 assists and 3 goals some people would still bash him.
It's not like the basis for this stat is different for Rooney. If this set of numbers were under the name Pogba his value would increase another €10m
Those are such lazy stats, which is common for football.
How about passes completed in the final third. Passing accuracy in the final third. Interceptions. Successful forward passes longer than 10 yards. Number of passes that lead to a scoring attempt/shot on goal.
Watching Pogba yesterday, he had more of an impact than Rooney did in today's game.
How about passes completed in the final third. Passing accuracy in the final third. Interceptions. Successful forward passes longer than 10 yards. Number of passes that lead to a scoring attempt/shot on goal.
Watching Pogba yesterday, he had more of an impact than Rooney did in today's game.
If Pogba put in the same performance and the commentators wanked over it, I would still say it's pathetic. Rooney was average, in my view and I can't fathom the praise he's receiving and the stats won't chance my views on this. Played much better against Russia albeit they provided him while loads of space. Rooney wasn't shit like Sterling, Kane or Bale right enough.
I get the feeling nothing would change your view on this as you've made your mind up on Rooney. Even Shearer said he was man of the match and he will take any opportunity to slate United and our players.
Good stats, happy for him.
I wasn't able to watch the match. Did he play in a midfield of 2?
Classy little player. Sign him up!
9 successful long passes out of 11 attempted. 6 passes/crosses that led to a chance on goal. Tonni Kroos, arguably the best passer in the tournament, hit 12 of 13 accurate long passes against Ukraine, for comparison.
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You obviously were not watching the game very keenly. Smalling nearly scored from a corner and Cahill missed two headers from corners that I can think of.
Using the same chances created metric averaged per game the best in the tournament so far are as follows
1. Payet 7 (2 games)
2. Fellani 7 (1 game)
3. Silva 6 (1 game)
4. A Gomes 5 (1 game)
5. Iniesta 5 (1 game)
6. Kroos 5 (1 game)
7. Alaba 4 (1 game)
8. Rakitic 4 (1 game)
9. J Mario 4 (1 game)
10. De Brunye 4 (1 game)
Rooney is 12th at the moment. Given that everyone in front of him has played only one game (except for Payet) after this round of games is over I would expect Rooney to be in the top 10 at least.
I have faith in the metric as it is almost like most of the players on that list are among the best at creating chances in the game.
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I've been quite critical of Rooney this season and wouldn't have had him in the England team pre tournament. He's playing well though. When people don't give credit where it's due it makes criticism from those same people much harder to take, not to mention removes all credibility of said criticism.
Its not at all funny though, its a bit sad how some United fans hate him that much that they can't even admit to him playing well whether its for England or United. One bad crossfield pass and he gets criticized and its remember until the end, while the other 90 minutes are ignored. Or every postive thing he is done comes with a "but wales put him under no pressure" or "it was easy" or what not. Never just saying well done on a second very good performance which that was.
I thought he was decent, but not really that good. Gets too much praise for one or two good passes, ultimately was too lethargic and lacks the urgency. He just didnt offer much dynamism and forward passes (besides the first 20 minutes of the second half)
From open play? Payet would have had at least 10 passes/crosses that lead to a chance on goal yesterday from his FKs alone. And Wayne's "long passes"...how many are to the right flank when Walker was alone because Wales is defending from inside out? It's the same passes to Valencia...very nice passes, but the net yardage going forward isn't penetrative.
Wayne's playing good in two matches, but we all know he needs to be better and fitter if he's truly going to play in a Premier League midfield in a title chasing/winning side.
Have to agree.
Yes I guess he kind of did because Alli was upfield most of the time.
I think he played well overall, but sometimes it really bugs me when there is a clear pass forward right in front of him but he opts to pass out wide to Walker. It happened several times with Sterling.
All in all though I am happy to see him adapting to his role very well. If he plays like this all the time I would not mind him in midfield next season at all.
 come on, pogba has been a tiny bit more then wank in the euros in his game and a half, while Rooney has been very good in both. Pogba is obviously a better player but he hasnt been close to Rooney so far.
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3. Alli furthest forward and dier deepest.
Payet created 6 chances in the whole game from open play and set pieces. The same as Rooney today. Besides, a chance created from a set play is a chance created!?
Completely agree.
Completely disagree. Lethargic? That's just completely wrong, sorry.
Rooney has 5 chances created so he's 7th not 12th
If you didn't watch any of England's two games and solely looked at the 'stats' it would suggest Rooney was much better today than against Russia. Anybody who watched both games knows that is certainly not the case.
Yeah it feels like he is going to get stick despite what he puts up in terms of a performance. Of course it was a decent performance against a Wales team who had parked the bus and he had no competition in midfield.
However, you can only play what's in front of you. Is he a player who will dictate the tempo, recycle possession, win the ball of opposition players, make crucial interceptions and make himself available for receiving the ball? Of course not, but it was a decent performance from him and he deserves some credit.
However, you can only play what's in front of you. Is he a player who will dictate the tempo, recycle possession, win the ball of opposition players, make crucial interceptions and make himself available for receiving the ball? Of course not, but it was a decent performance from him and he deserves some credit.
Rooney had a very poor first half - and a very strong second half.
Because the stats say so? Pogba for Martial changed the game for France, it was much better a fluid and they matched midfield numbers once Pogba came on.
He has 6 in that game by whoscored's metric. That list is average per game so it considers both England games played. It is highly likely that he rise up the list after this round of games is over as only 3 players in the top 20 (including Rooney) have played 2 games.
Payet got more involved is what changed it. And sure the tactics were better, pogba individually was still average at best while he was wank in the first game. That yesterday and rooney in his 2 full games are huge differences though and if pogba put in games like that, he would be roundly praised.
Please define your metric for 'better'.
He was good in both games IMO but he took corners in this game so has more created chances because he is very good on set pieces. It is a very useful asset, especially in international tournaments which have so many tight games these days.
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