I don't think he was awful mainly the ball did not get played into the right places for the forwards to make things happen...but you sure about the winger thing? Was it not his responsibility in a front 2 to stretch the back 3?
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The set up might be the root cause but the better performances have all come with him having a good game. So, I'd choose to blame the responsibility of being tasked with leading the team.
Don't think he had an awful game, just think he didn't lead in the way he should have.
Frankly I'm tired of hearing excuses being made for Rooney that any striker would suffer because of tactics. His general abilities have nothing to do with tactics. It's high time we realised that is not Rooney of 04-08. He is done and finished as a top striker. It's not just goals but overall game play. Granted that Henrik Larsson played in a better team, he was 34 at the time he joined and he put in some quality performances that Rooney would dream of right now! As much as many want LvG gone, Rooney should follow him out too!
Did people expect some sort of renaissance? He's finished. And that isn't knee jerk. If you give him a clear chance he might well score it. However, he can't create anything for himself. He's got no pace. He can't beat a man. He won't run in behind. He couldn't even take on Kolo Toure last weekend, ffs. He's past it at the top level.
That said, he's at a shit team so he fits right in currently. However, if we ever get any sort of ambition back, we'll never win anything with him in the starting XI.
That said, he's at a shit team so he fits right in currently. However, if we ever get any sort of ambition back, we'll never win anything with him in the starting XI.
It was, you're right, but this isn't really Rooney's game. Rooney thrives from pace and width around him. Playing a 352, with Borthwick-Jackson and Lingard, especially as they didn't really get forward that much, meant that Rooney and Martial, when they got the ball in wide areas, were crowded out. For example, Martial's run when he had three So'ton players around him. It was literally just him.
I think it was no surprise that we saw a bit of form from Rooney with Lingard and Martial on the wings. Neither have been pulling up any trees of late, but the pace and running behind allowed Rooney to play his natural game. Again, Lingard's goal vs Newcastle is an example of that.
Think Van Gaal needs to go back to a 4231, with Martial/Depay on the left and Januzaj/Lingard on the right for the next game.
Seemed to regress. Gave the ball away with some sloppy touches and passes. Just pointless really.
Remember that thread about him being an impact player. Thats really what he should be.
For some reason, were treating him like hes a Ronaldo or Messi when he wasnt even that in his prime. For all the people saying "yeah well others werent great either" or similar, remember, the reason hes captain and on this high wages is because hes meant to be the leader and is meant to carry us in games like today. If he only has good games when others do, then whats the point?
Its so frustrating, but were in a position where he to play every game because of stubbornness and foolishness.
For some reason, were treating him like hes a Ronaldo or Messi when he wasnt even that in his prime. For all the people saying "yeah well others werent great either" or similar, remember, the reason hes captain and on this high wages is because hes meant to be the leader and is meant to carry us in games like today. If he only has good games when others do, then whats the point?
Its so frustrating, but were in a position where he to play every game because of stubbornness and foolishness.
horrid
Id expect the lads to be tactically adaptable after year and half of doing the same thing.. Either way he should have stuck with the formation that works and let the opposition counter it, not the other way round.
Exactly. Rooney's supposed to be our star player. At his best, he was someone whose combination of effort and ability could often bring a bit of spark to the team. Even when he didn't have a brilliant game, there was usually still a lot of positives about his performance because he was always trying to bring us to a higher level. A bit like Martial sometimes now, actually.
Still at the club & you'd hope the assistant manager has as much, preferably more when its Giggs, influence as the current captain.
I said player. Why do you insist on getting in an argument that doesn't exist?
Pretty much the same from him today as we saw before his little good patch of form, such a shame.
He conned people into thinking he had a renaissance in 2016.
Did he? Anyone with any sort of knowledge about Rooney or who had watched him a lot this season would not have been sucked in by a few 'decent' performances.
He did, there were some posts of people who actually thought he was going to play well again for the remainder of the season. He still might actually, not saying he won't, but chances are slim...
The issue is that he simply isn't good enough to be our main man. No matter what his commercial value and how much the club wants to put his face everywhere, he's not got it anymore. At best, he could be a squad player, but I don't see it happening. So we've got a very important decision this summer that we can either take, or hide from. I fail to see how, if we pick the latter, a team with him as the main man upfront, can ever hope to win the league.
Wasn't their best performance either, but the difference is they work their way up the pitch and then give it to people like Muller, Lewandowski, Coman and Costa. We give it to people like Lingard, Fellaini, Rooney
Did you see how quick Coman was? he's absolutely lightning and scares defenders to death. We've got nobody apart from Martial to do that, and even he is suffering recently.
Wasn't their best performance either, but the difference is they work their way up the pitch and then give it to people like Muller, Lewandowski, Coman and Costa. We give it to people like Lingard, Fellaini, Rooney
Did you see how quick Coman was? he's absolutely lightning and scares defenders to death. We've got nobody apart from Martial to do that, and even he is suffering recently.
Yeah, Coman is rapid and was their best outlet, constantly forcing the Hamburg defense to turn back toward their goal, you need that in a team that plays possession football, wide players that have lightning acceleration and can pull a team apart to make space for your strikers.
Is Rooney even worth discussing anymore? I assume that its been established among our supporters that he's overpaid and well over the hill that the distance between the peak and his current location could give Everest a serious challenge.
He only going to get worse and the occasional good bits shouldn't be perceived as a revival. The pace is gone, touch is poor, isn't creative enough, can't hold up play. His good passes are mostly diagonal passes and until recently he was messing up easier chances to score.
He only going to get worse and the occasional good bits shouldn't be perceived as a revival. The pace is gone, touch is poor, isn't creative enough, can't hold up play. His good passes are mostly diagonal passes and until recently he was messing up easier chances to score.
But it's the system/his team mates/the weather/ley lines/his time of the month/or whatever this months excuse is.
Can we stick him on paternity leave for a couple of years.
Kai Klay and Kit - KKK?
The name Kai has grown on me. Klay and Kit however are just hilariously stupid.
Would've been great if they had twins. Kit-Kat
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What kind of name is kit? And what's with the kkk's Wayne. Fecking famous people and the names they give their kids
I reckon Waz is a big Jon Snow fan.
Bit of a tongue twister ending up with something that needs a twisting tongue..
He's got himself a Klan now. Congrats Wayne and Coleen, but seriously with these K names?
Apparently Jon Snow is a fan of United, so that'd explain a few things... odd name, still.
Knight Rider joke in here somewhere.
Kai is a nice name.
Congratulations, Kwayne.
Hopefully he has a girl called Kat next to complete the ThunderCats twins
Who names his son Kit? Really weird name.
Someone who names their first sons Kai and Klay...
A footballer calling his child 'Kit' is like a boxer calling his child 'Glove' ...
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