[Dex_Utd]

This thread is boring, most posters here have already made up their mind. If he doesn't score then he is $hit anyway, if he scores an important goal then all credit will go elsewhere. If all else fails then 300k a week is a good dig. Never mind the fact that we have been more $hit to watch when he doesn't play. Any decent set of supporters will support a striker at least temporarily scoring 2 match winning goals in 2 games, specially with the results coming after a long series of disappointing results. Yes criticise, but it will help if it seems to be proportionate.

Also 300-k a week is a boring argument now. In today's time it only covers the wages of 2 decent forward position players at the max, and the ones who will not play every game at any top club. Our back-up to him is Fellaini but somehow it is his fault. The blame for 300k, for us having no back-up, for us playing $hit even when he doesn't play, lies squarely with someone else.

Lets criticise by all means but let's also remember that he is playing for our club and let's not let the negativity and hate override the objectivity.

 

[Name Changed]

He's finished. He plays like an old man. One in five games he might do one single thing well but realistically, he has been absolutely shite.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

This thread is boring, most posters here have already made up their mind. If he doesn't score then he is $hit anyway, if he scores an important goal then all credit will go elsewhere. If all else fails then 300k a week is a good dig. Never mind the fact that we have been more $hit to watch when he doesn't play. Any decent set of supporters will support a striker at least temporarily scoring 2 match winning goals in 2 games, specially with the results coming after a long series of disappointing results. Yes criticise, but it will help if it seems to be proportionate.

Also 300-k a week is a boring argument now. In today's time it only covers the wages of 2 decent forward position players at the max, and the ones who will not play every game at any top club. Our back-up to him is Fellaini but somehow it is his fault. The blame for 300k, for us having no back-up, for us playing $hit even when he doesn't play, lies squarely with someone else.

Lets criticise by all means but let's also remember that he is playing for our club and let's not let the negativity and hate override the objectivity.

I haven't seen anyone post anything which is based on hate, it is all based entirely on his performances and the fact he's been by far our worst player this season.
Do you honestly believe Rooney deserves praise for any match apart from the hat trick against an awful Brugge side?

 

[Isotope]

Never mind competing with best teams in the world. We will never win the league with Rooney as one of our main strikers. It's as simple as that.

Understandably some of England fans are still defending him, but the rest of the world see Rooney as one of the major reasons and signs for United decline.

 

[NK86]

This thread is boring, most posters here have already made up their mind. If he doesn't score then he is $hit anyway, if he scores an important goal then all credit will go elsewhere. If all else fails then 300k a week is a good dig. Never mind the fact that we have been more $hit to watch when he doesn't play. Any decent set of supporters will support a striker at least temporarily scoring 2 match winning goals in 2 games, specially with the results coming after a long series of disappointing results. Yes criticise, but it will help if it seems to be proportionate.

Also 300-k a week is a boring argument now. In today's time it only covers the wages of 2 decent forward position players at the max, and the ones who will not play every game at any top club. Our back-up to him is Fellaini but somehow it is his fault. The blame for 300k, for us having no back-up, for us playing $hit even when he doesn't play, lies squarely with someone else.

Lets criticise by all means but let's also remember that he is playing for our club and let's not let the negativity and hate override the objectivity.

You must be taking the piss. How much do you think Lewandowski or Aubameyang or Kane or Lukaku or Sanchez are on? The list goes on and on.

 

[Winrar]

This thread is boring, most posters here have already made up their mind.

yes, based on all the games I (and most posters) have seen rooney playing we came to a sound conclusion that he's past it. only game he played well (i.e. coming close to justifying his status and wages) this season was against a depleted, injury ravaged brugge side.

If he doesn't score then he is $hit anyway, if he scores an important goal then all credit will go elsewhere.

I see plenty of people credit him when he scores. what same people do say though, is that just because he scored a goal doesn't mean he's back to the rooney of old. which is a completely valid statement.

If all else fails then 300k a week is a good dig.

the likes of neymar, suarez, lewa, muller, and aubameyang earn less than rooney does. they've also absolutely dwarfed him in terms of performances this season.

Never mind the fact that we have been more $hit to watch when he doesn't play.

most rooney critics acknowledge that he isn't the ONLY problem with this team.

Any decent set of supporters will support a striker at least temporarily scoring 2 match winning goals in 2 games, specially with the results coming after a long series of disappointing results. Yes criticise, but it will help if it seems to be proportionate.

2 games isn't nearly enough to vindicate him of his poor performances throughout the season.

Lets criticise by all means but let's also remember that he is playing for our club and let's not let the negativity and hate override the objectivity.

being objective right now is seeing that rooney is clearly past his best.

 

[Adisa]

This thread is boring, most posters here have already made up their mind. If he doesn't score then he is $hit anyway, if he scores an important goal then all credit will go elsewhere. If all else fails then 300k a week is a good dig. Never mind the fact that we have been more $hit to watch when he doesn't play. Any decent set of supporters will support a striker at least temporarily scoring 2 match winning goals in 2 games, specially with the results coming after a long series of disappointing results. Yes criticise, but it will help if it seems to be proportionate.

Also 300-k a week is a boring argument now. In today's time it only covers the wages of 2 decent forward position players at the max, and the ones who will not play every game at any top club. Our back-up to him is Fellaini but somehow it is his fault. The blame for 300k, for us having no back-up, for us playing $hit even when he doesn't play, lies squarely with someone else.

Lets criticise by all means but let's also remember that he is playing for our club and let's not let the negativity and hate override the objectivity.

Lol. Your man isn't even producing the goods one decent foward should.

 

[Ixion]

Also 300-k a week is a boring argument now.

You're talking literally only Messi, Ronaldo and maybe a couple of others that get paid that or more. It will always be a valid argument while he isn't performing, that is supposed to be game changing, superstar, best in the world money and he's been nothing of the sort for about 3-4 years.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

Cringe. Away at Anfield got forgotten quickly then.

 

[wr8_utd]

Cringe. Away at Anfield got forgotten quickly then.

Did it cost us? No
Rooney has missed penalties in the past and a lot of them but surprisingly he seems to always put away the ones that will win us the points/game. Took a super penalty to win the title at Blackburn as well.

 

[ZDwyr]

I'm surprised he took the penalty anyway. Doesn't van Gaal take you off penalty duty if you miss one? And you go to the back of the line kind of deal.

 

[superdry]

This thread is boring, most posters here have already made up their mind. If he doesn't score then he is $hit anyway, if he scores an important goal then all credit will go elsewhere. If all else fails then 300k a week is a good dig. Never mind the fact that we have been more $hit to watch when he doesn't play. Any decent set of supporters will support a striker at least temporarily scoring 2 match winning goals in 2 games, specially with the results coming after a long series of disappointing results. Yes criticise, but it will help if it seems to be proportionate.

Also 300-k a week is a boring argument now. In today's time it only covers the wages of 2 decent forward position players at the max, and the ones who will not play every game at any top club. Our back-up to him is Fellaini but somehow it is his fault. The blame for 300k, for us having no back-up, for us playing $hit even when he doesn't play, lies squarely with someone else.

Lets criticise by all means but let's also remember that he is playing for our club and let's not let the negativity and hate override the objectivity.

Rooney playing, is no longer what's best for "our club". We won't move on until he's gone.

 

[BarstoolProphet]

This thread is boring, most posters here have already made up their mind. If he doesn't score then he is $hit anyway, if he scores an important goal then all credit will go elsewhere. If all else fails then 300k a week is a good dig. Never mind the fact that we have been more $hit to watch when he doesn't play. Any decent set of supporters will support a striker at least temporarily scoring 2 match winning goals in 2 games, specially with the results coming after a long series of disappointing results. Yes criticise, but it will help if it seems to be proportionate.

Also 300-k a week is a boring argument now. In today's time it only covers the wages of 2 decent forward position players at the max, and the ones who will not play every game at any top club. Our back-up to him is Fellaini but somehow it is his fault. The blame for 300k, for us having no back-up, for us playing $hit even when he doesn't play, lies squarely with someone else.

Lets criticise by all means but let's also remember that he is playing for our club and let's not let the negativity and hate override the objectivity.

What's proportionate criticism to you? To ignore the obvious and play along with the Rooney-friendly "experts"? Well done with including the "any decent supporters will acknowledge my stand" [paraphrasing], you're no doubt in the higher echelon of hardcore United supporters. Here, have a cake.

You're missing the key element: He is playing utterly shit despite scoring a couple match-winning goals. The only thing that keeps him from never playing for United again is a stubborn dinosaur manager and the fact that noone else seems to be willing to step up. No wonder, since the manager has gotten rid of all competition for his place! So you're right about that part.

And I'm not surprised you see the 300k argument is boring now, when in fact it's so damn valid to point towards it. I see you trying to downplay the actual sum (two "decent forward positions" ) but you seem to forget the factors behind the argument. It's not necessary the sum itself but:

-The symbolic factor about him our being our highest payed player by a mile, yet plays like a fringe player at best
-Him being on a salary level with the absolute best in the business while he's nowhere near being in the top 100

Yes, for the umpteenth time, he's been a legend for us, which is why his poor performances are met with sighs rather than boos at OT. The purchase of Fellaini might be the symbol for the direction the club has been taking post Sir Alex, but Rooney epitomises our rotten performances more than any. He is simply unable to perform at this level anymore, and should be removed before he damages his legacy completely.

 

[psychdelicblues]

What's proportionate criticism to you? To ignore the obvious and play along with the Rooney-friendly "experts"? Well done with including the "any decent supporters will acknowledge my stand" [paraphrasing], you're no doubt in the higher echelon of hardcore United supporters. Here, have a cake.

You're missing the key element: He is playing utterly shit despite scoring a couple match-winning goals. The only thing that keeps him from never playing for United again is a stubborn dinosaur manager and the fact that noone else seems to be willing to step up. No wonder, since the manager has gotten rid of all competition for his place! So you're right about that part.

And I'm not surprised you see the 300k argument is boring now, when in fact it's so damn valid to point towards it. I see you trying to downplay the actual sum (two "decent forward positions" ) but you seem to forget the factors behind the argument. It's not necessary the sum itself but:

-The symbolic factor about him our being our highest payed player by a mile, yet plays like a fringe player at best
-Him being on a salary level with the absolute best in the business while he's nowhere near being in the top 100

Yes, for the umpteenth time, he's been a legend for us, which is why his poor performances are met with sighs rather than boos at OT. The purchase of Fellaini might be the symbol for the direction the club has been taking post Sir Alex, but Rooney epitomises our rotten performances more than any. He is simply unable to perform at this level anymore, and should be removed before he damages his legacy completely.

Careful......His fans will accuse you of being agenda driven as apposed to what is the best long term interests of a club that purports to be competing with the likes of Bayern, Barca, and Real.....on the football pitch at least.

 

[Scarecrow]

I'm surprised he took the penalty anyway. Doesn't van Gaal take you off penalty duty if you miss one? And you go to the back of the line kind of deal.

Mata and Herrera weren't on the pitch. I think they're supposed to be the first two. I imagine it wasn't a good time to try a new shooter in a moment like this and The Captain took the responsibility, as he should.

I thought he'd miss it, to be honest.

 

[Oldham]

Absolutely awful and we should just terminate his contact

 

[MDFC Manager]

I'm surprised he took the penalty anyway. Doesn't van Gaal take you off penalty duty if you miss one? And you go to the back of the line kind of deal.

LvG said Mata is first choice, Herrera second.

 

[Pexbo]

Mata and Herrera weren't on the pitch. I think they're supposed to be the first two. I imagine it wasn't a good time to try a new shooter in a moment like this and The Captain took the responsibility, as he should.

I thought he'd miss it, to be honest.

If the keeper picked the right way he would have. It wasn't a good penalty at all.

 

[Scarecrow]

If the keeper picked the right way he would have. It wasn't a good penalty at all.

Nah, he hit it hard and low. Not quite in the corner but it was good enough. Few keepers would go down that quickly even if they picked the right way and only a great save would've caught that.

 

[Pexbo]

Nah, he hit it hard and low. Not quite in the corner but it was good enough. Few keepers would go down that quickly even if they picked the right way and only a great save would've caught that.

It was about half way between the goalkeeper and the post. If he went the right way I'd back him to save it more times that it goes past him. It's irrelevant though, he did enough to send him the wrong way so it doesn't matter. I don't want to be a complete pedant in looking for criticism with him because there's more than enough without being pedantic.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

What's proportionate criticism to you? To ignore the obvious and play along with the Rooney-friendly "experts"? Well done with including the "any decent supporters will acknowledge my stand" [paraphrasing], you're no doubt in the higher echelon of hardcore United supporters. Here, have a cake.

You're missing the key element: He is playing utterly shit despite scoring a couple match-winning goals. The only thing that keeps him from never playing for United again is a stubborn dinosaur manager and the fact that noone else seems to be willing to step up. No wonder, since the manager has gotten rid of all competition for his place! So you're right about that part.

And I'm not surprised you see the 300k argument is boring now, when in fact it's so damn valid to point towards it. I see you trying to downplay the actual sum (two "decent forward positions" ) but you seem to forget the factors behind the argument. It's not necessary the sum itself but:

-The symbolic factor about him our being our highest payed player by a mile, yet plays like a fringe player at best
-Him being on a salary level with the absolute best in the business while he's nowhere near being in the top 100

Yes, for the umpteenth time, he's been a legend for us, which is why his poor performances are met with sighs rather than boos at OT. The purchase of Fellaini might be the symbol for the direction the club has been taking post Sir Alex, but Rooney epitomises our rotten performances more than any. He is simply unable to perform at this level anymore, and should be removed before he damages his legacy completely.

I also find the 300k argument boring too. Anyway its not 300 a week its 250. Also de Gea is on 200 a week and so is Schweinsteiger.

 

[drdoityourself]

I also find the 300k argument boring too. Anyway its not 300 a week its 250. Also de Gea is on 200 a week and so is Schweinsteiger.

Are you sure? This one plus multiple other articles state he's on 300.000 pounds per week. But yes there are many other articles stating he's on 250.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26246939

Anyway....it's a boring argument for those who still defend him because it's indefensible. He's probably the highest paid player in the league and wages should in some way reflect performances on the pitch. His performances have been underwhelming to say the least. It's irritating beyond belief that he's earning world class wages, being talked about as still being a world class player by the media and what's in front of us is clearly a footballer way past his prime.
When his narrative in the media is so inexplicably positive, those who are calling him out on this forum like me become more cynical, more jaded about the situation, and probably repetitive and boring. It just seems so obvious he's past it, I just find the excuses unbelievable.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Imagine... if you will... if, instead of Wayne Rooney scoring the penalty yesterday... he turned around and booted it all the way back to David De Gea.

It would have been.... something...

 

[Keenst]

Despite his lack of quality these days I really am starting to wonder what we'd be like if he wasn't in the side at all. Who would be the leader out there? Who in our current squad displays genuine leadership? Rooney does, more often than not at least, and I believe it makes a difference. No one is playing out of their skin to make an obvious case for dropping him. Our team has a worrying lack of personality and it's hard to know if that's down to LVG or the players.

 

[Minimalist]

Despite his lack of quality these days I really am starting to wonder what we'd be like if he wasn't in the side at all. Who would be the leader out there? Who in our current squad displays genuine leadership? Rooney does, more often than not at least, and I believe it makes a difference. No one is playing out of their skin to make an obvious case for dropping him. Our team has a worrying lack of personality and it's hard to know if that's down to LVG or the players.

Rooney isn't a leader. Never has been, never will be. Unless you think swearing at the referee is a sign of 'leadership'. A leader doesn't blame everyone around him - especially when he's usually the worst performing player on the pitch (see his reactions in the 5-3 against Leicester). But again, he never came across as captain material under Ferguson. His qualities were seemingly revised when Van Gaal made him captain. One quality of most captains is consistency - Rooney has never had that even at his best.

The bigger point is true. We have a shocking lack of mentally strong players in the squad who can drag their teammates on. I would say BFS and Smalling are the only ones I would say should be captain. Some might point at the likes of Carrick but he's far too weak and spineless for me.

It definitely needs addressed in future.

 

[sunama]

Hope he gets the 10 goals this season just to see the total outrage in this thread.

You make it sound like 10 goals is something to brag about.
He has 3 EPL goals to his name.

While he is able to score against soft teams like Brugg and also a penalty against a league one side, his EPL goal count is more reliable when looking at stats.

 

[Keenst]

Rooney isn't a leader. Never has been, never will be. Unless you think swearing at the referee is a sign of 'leadership'. A leader doesn't blame everyone around him - especially when he's usually the worst performing player on the pitch (see his reactions in the 5-3 against Leicester). But again, he never came across as captain material or a leader before he was appointed. His qualities were seemingly revised when Van Gaal made him captain.

The bigger point is true. We have a shocking lack of mentally strong players in the squad who can drag their teammates on. I would say BFS and Smalling are the only ones I would say should be captain. Some might point at the likes of Carrick but he's far too weak and spineless for me.

It definitely needs addressed in future.

Roy Keane would blame everyone around him that's for sure; although he would blame himself just as much.

You constantly hear from different sources how much of an influence Rooney has in this squad, so I tend to believe it - players respect him and like him and seem to value having him as captain. I'm not saying he's an amazing captain or born for the role but I certainly can't think of anyone else in the squad who is an obvious choice ahead of him.

BFS would be a good choice a few years ago but he can't play all the time and is too new to the squad to be given the captaincy imo. Carrick can't expect to play every game either and like you said he seems rather spineless, even if that might sound like a harsh term. He's certainly no leader of men. Smalling I'm not so sure about either. He's having a good season but doesn't strike me as a captain either.

 

[facund]

You constantly hear from different sources how much of an influence Rooney has in this squad

Balotelli has an influence on every dressing room he enters, influence and the ability to lead men are not the same thing. A captain needs the ability to influence but also needs many other additional qualities to properly make use of the skill. Maybe the players like Rooney as a captain because he doesn't demand that much of them or hold them to high standards. The best bosses aren't always the nicest or most liked people.

Keane didn't care about being liked but commanded respect due to the results his captaincy garnered. He demanded near perfection from those around him, and himself, and would do everything in his power to achieve it. Rooney shouts at people because they didn't pass to him or because he f*cked up and wants to pass the buck. He doesn't scream at them for slowing the tempo, loosing concentration or playing safe because his real interest lies in that which is good for him not that which is good for the team. #edit - comes across a bit harsh but what I mean is that it takes a certain type of person/character to see the bigger picture#

Leaders set the standard and provide an example to be followed. They spur the team on when faced with adversity and organise those around them if they go astray. A leader inspires the team to perform to their utmost abilities and provides the wiliness of experience on those days when it is not possible. Most of all a leader excepts responsibility both during and after the event. Rooney does none of those things and, bar the long since passed moments of drive and inspiration he used to display, never has shown (in a publicly available setting) any real characteristics required for leadership, on or off the pitch.

The idea that he qualifies as captain by default is maybe true but a poor decision nonetheless, it would be much more beneficial to go without than to appoint a captain that sets the wrong tone for an increasingly young group of players.

The team does lack personality but Rooney being our captain is the epitome of this rather than an exception to it.

 

[Keenst]

Balotelli has an influence on every dressing room he enters, influence and the ability to lead men are not the same thing. A captain needs the ability to influence but also needs many other additional qualities to properly make use of the skill. Maybe the players like Rooney as a captain because he doesn't demand that much of them or hold them to high standards. The best bosses aren't always the nicest or most liked people.

Keane didn't care about being liked but commanded respect due to the results his captaincy garnered. He demanded near perfection from those around him, and himself, and would do everything in his power to achieve it. Rooney shouts at people because they didn't pass to him or because he f*cked up and wants to pass the buck. He doesn't scream at them for slowing the tempo, loosing concentration or playing safe because his real interest lies in that which is good for him not that which is good for the team.

Leaders set the standard and provide an example to be followed. They spur the team on when faced with adversity and organise those around them if they go astray. A leader inspires the team to perform to their utmost abilities and provides the wiliness of experience on those days when it is not possible. Most of all a leader excepts responsibility both during and after the event. Rooney does none of those things and, bar the long since passed moments of drive and inspiration he used to display, never has shown (in a publicly available setting) any real characteristics required for leadership, on or off the pitch.

The idea that he qualifies as captain by default is maybe true but a poor decision nonetheless, it would be much more beneficial to go without than to appoint a captain that sets the wrong tone for an increasingly young group of players.

The team does lack personality but Rooney being our captain is the epitome of this rather than an exception to it.

Fair point on players liking him as captain because maybe he's not very demanding. I get what your saying about leaders but as you and I know there is no one in the team that has those qualities to what are we to do? You say giving Rooney the captaincy is a mistake but until we sign some new players what are we supposed to do?

Stripping him of the captaincy mid season certainly wouldn't help matters and from Van Gaal's perspective I really don't see who else he could have named captain when he arrived.

 

[facund]

Fair point on players liking him as captain because maybe he's not very demanding. I get what your saying about leaders but as you and I know there is no one in the team that has those qualities to what are we to do? You say giving Rooney the captaincy is a mistake but until we sign some new players what are we supposed to do?

Stripping him of the captaincy mid season certainly wouldn't help matters and from Van Gaal's perspective I really don't see who else he could have named captain when he arrived.

The mistake has been made, nothing to be done unfortunately as you are right that stripping him of the captaincy now would only stir up more sh*t.

 

[Raees]

Never mind competing with best teams in the world. We will never win the league with Rooney as one of our main strikers. It's as simple as that.

Understandably some of England fans are still defending him, but the rest of the world see Rooney as one of the major reasons and signs for United decline.

Which world is this then. From where I'm looking apart from a few dissenters on the Caf everyone still thinks highly of him.. and believe he is the man whose going to rescue us from our current decline.

On match day I have not heard a single boo directed towards him. He has everyone on his side. He will stay here for another two seasons and break every record at the club .. retiring as a United great.

 

[Sky1981]

If this is a war and giggs and rooney is teh captain and general id probably desert. Not in a million year i would fight alongside them

 

[clarkydaz]

Balotelli has an influence on every dressing room he enters, influence and the ability to lead men are not the same thing. A captain needs the ability to influence but also needs many other additional qualities to properly make use of the skill. Maybe the players like Rooney as a captain because he doesn't demand that much of them or hold them to high standards. The best bosses aren't always the nicest or most liked people.

Keane didn't care about being liked but commanded respect due to the results his captaincy garnered. He demanded near perfection from those around him, and himself, and would do everything in his power to achieve it. Rooney shouts at people because they didn't pass to him or because he f*cked up and wants to pass the buck. He doesn't scream at them for slowing the tempo, loosing concentration or playing safe because his real interest lies in that which is good for him not that which is good for the team. #edit - comes across a bit harsh but what I mean is that it takes a certain type of person/character to see the bigger picture#

Leaders set the standard and provide an example to be followed. They spur the team on when faced with adversity and organise those around them if they go astray. A leader inspires the team to perform to their utmost abilities and provides the wiliness of experience on those days when it is not possible. Most of all a leader excepts responsibility both during and after the event. Rooney does none of those things and, bar the long since passed moments of drive and inspiration he used to display, never has shown (in a publicly available setting) any real characteristics required for leadership, on or off the pitch.

The idea that he qualifies as captain by default is maybe true but a poor decision nonetheless, it would be much more beneficial to go without than to appoint a captain that sets the wrong tone for an increasingly young group of players.

The team does lack personality but Rooney being our captain is the epitome of this rather than an exception to it.

Reminds me of what Scholes' ranted about last night. what good is being a leader and spokesperson in the changingroom, do something on the pitch

 

[Rado_N]

It's bad when the people getting outraged at the criticism can only really respond with "why aren't you criticising X as harshly?"

 

[Minimalist]

Which world is this then. From where I'm looking apart from a few dissenters on the Caf everyone still thinks highly of him.. and believe he is the man whose going to rescue us from our current decline.

On match day I have not heard a single boo directed towards him. He has everyone on his side. He will stay here for another two seasons and break every record at the club .. retiring as a United great.

Where are you looking from? Your ivory tower?

Anyone who thinks Rooney is going to 'rescue us' needs to have their medication revised.

If Rooney is still at United after this summer, the club as a group will have pretty much admitted they don't mind being mediocre and have no desire to challenge for top honours.

 

[Shark]

Get the ball to Wayne Rooney and all will be well, lads

 

[Isotope]

Which world is this then. From where I'm looking apart from a few dissenters on the Caf everyone still thinks highly of him.. and believe he is the man whose going to rescue us from our current decline.

On match day I have not heard a single boo directed towards him. He has everyone on his side. He will stay here for another two seasons and break every record at the club .. retiring as a United great.

With the amount of trophies and contributions to United success, I do think he's one of United great. There's no doubt about that.

But as in Fergie's days, there should be time to get rid of players who could become a hindrance to United greatness. For various reasons, Fergie ditched RvN, Beckham, Stam, Veron, Keano, etc. who were considered 'stars'.

 

[itso 7]

Which world is this then. From where I'm looking apart from a few dissenters on the Caf everyone still thinks highly of him.. and believe he is the man whose going to rescue us from our current decline.

On match day I have not heard a single boo directed towards him. He has everyone on his side. He will stay here for another two seasons and break every record at the club .. retiring as a United great.

Where exactly are you looking from? Sometime in 2010? If so come back to the present and smell the coffee, he is done as a player at this level his continued stay is more a reflection of how the rot has well and truly set in.

 

[Devil may care]

Where exactly are you looking from? Sometime in 2010? If so come back to the present and smell the coffee, he is done as a player at this level his continued stay is more a reflection of how the rot has well and truly set in.

He trulty is our talisman in that respect right now, he's as faded a force as a player as we are as a club at the moment.

 

[Ish]

He trulty is our talisman in that respect right now, he's as faded a force as a player as we are as a club at the moment.

Good comparison.

@BarstoolProphet
That "here, have a cake" bit made me