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41
Goals
15
Assists
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Games without him this season:
2-1 loss vs PSV
3-2 loss vs Wolfsburg
3-1 win vs Liverpool
2-1 win vs Watford
0-0 draw vs West Ham
2-1 loss to Bournemouth

Clearly the problem goes a bit further then he's just past it doesn't it?

And games with him:

0-0 draw vs Newcastle at home
2-1 loss vs Swansea
3-0 loss vs Arsenal
0-0 draw vs Palace
0-0 draw vs Boro at home (played 75 min, missed a pen)
0-0 draw vs Eindhoven at home

Now, you'd struggle to find a single post claiming that Rooney is our only problem. But he is a big problem. Not only because he has scored only 5 league goals from open play this calendar year but because he provides zero creativity (1 assist in the league over 30 games) and has been generally terrible while collecting higher wages than virtually any other player on the planet bar Messi and Ronaldo. The problem with his presence is not only his poor form and decline but also the fact that we have not strengthened our attack because of him. We should have signed at least 2 class strikers in the summer and we added only a highly talented kid in Martial. We planned the season with Rooney as our main man in attack and this was a crucial mistake that has already costed us in the CL and could well cost us a top 4 finish in the league if we fail to sign a class striker in January.

BTW, the sample of games you mention does not take into account two important facts: (1) we've had many injuries recently and (2) we've created more chances without Rooney. Our losses this week do not vindicate Rooney in the slightest. On the contrary, they highlighted the mistake not to strenghen enough our attack in the summer.
 
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nick, this isn't 2004! In the words of Sam Johnstone, 'your drunk'.

The problem is that most of you compare Rooney to the old Rooney, and not Rooney to the other players we have NOW.

Can you please name a couple of outfield players who have been so much better than Rooney in the past 18 months that we have been under LVG?

Mata? He has been shit. Plus... Rooney helps him a lot because the opposition defense is more concerned with Rooney, so Mata has more space.

Martial? He has been here a few months only, we don't know what will happen long term.

Di Maria?
Young?
Valencia?
BFS?
Carrick?
Fellaini?


Who???
 
The problem is that most of you compare Rooney to the old Rooney, and not Rooney to the other players we have NOW.

Can you please name a couple of outfield players who have been so much better than Rooney in the past 18 months that we have been under LVG?

Mata? He has been shit. Plus... Rooney helps him a lot because the opposition defense is more concerned with Rooney, so Mata has more space.

Martial? He has been here a few months only, we don't know what will happen long term.

Di Maria?
Young?
Valencia?
BFS?
Carrick?
Fellaini?


Who???

Had me until this. Now I know you're not watching.
 
But you didn't answer the question.

The answer is that any player has been better than Rooney this season, even Fellaini and Memphis. Smalling, Blind, Schneiderlin, Mata, Martial have been substantially better than Rooney. Rooney hasn't contributed anything in the league. If you took out his 2 goals, we'd be on the same points and the same position in the league. Take out Mata's or even Blind's contributions in attack and we would be worse off. Rooney's only important contribution over nearly 20 games this season has been the winner vs CSKA. Even a conference level player could score that goal though, it wasn't anything special.
 
Glad he's injured, because we're proper ripping it up without him.

NOT!

And? This shows that Rooney has been good for us?

What do you thnk about his future at the club? Do we need him in order to make progress?
 
And? This shows that Rooney has been good for us?

What do you thnk about his future at the club? Do we need him in order to make progress?

Said it yesterday. If we can replace him with someone better, then great. But right now? He's useful. Experienced, influential, can play in a number of different positions.

The hounding of him by the boo boys is a disgrace to this football club.
 
Said it yesterday. If we can replace him with someone better, then great. But right now? He's useful. Experienced, influential, can play in a number of different positions.

The hounding of him by the boo boys is a disgrace to this football club.

:lol:

He can play in a number of different positons. Badly. A No 10 who has assisted one league goal all year (and it was off-side, tbf). And a No 9 who has scored 5 league goals from open play this year, i.e., as many as Lewandowski scored for 9 min. He is ridiculously bad if you take into account his wages. That's a disgrace.
 
Half the squad is out injured at the same time you can't really draw any conclusions from that.

You can if you are a Rooney fan though and think that he is still one of our best players. Delusion reigns.
 
Whatevs. Been out for 3 games, we haven't won one of them, and he's still somehow the issue and the problem.
 
Whatevs. Been out for 3 games, we haven't won one of them, and he's still somehow the issue and the problem.

Of course he is part of the problem because we've wasted a lot of time in trying to play him into form and failed to strengthen the attack in the summer. We used him when Herrera was fit and on the bench. We didn't buy a top striker because we had to play Rooney up front. He's not the only problem, no-one claims this. He's just a substantial part of the problem.
 
I have a feeling his privileges have ended and even when he returns, he isn't guaranteed to start. LVG at this point has nothing to lose.
 
I have a feeling his privileges have ended and even when he returns, he isn't guaranteed to start. LVG at this point has nothing to lose.

LVG has already lost a lot by making Rooney our main man in attack. It is too late to rectify this huge mistake unless we sign a top forward in January. I'm afraid the wheels may be coming off.
 
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The problem is that most of you compare Rooney to the old Rooney, and not Rooney to the other players we have NOW.

Can you please name a couple of outfield players who have been so much better than Rooney in the past 18 months that we have been under LVG?

Mata? He has been shit. Plus... Rooney helps him a lot because the opposition defense is more concerned with Rooney, so Mata has more space.

Martial? He has been here a few months only, we don't know what will happen long term.

Di Maria?
Young?
Valencia?
BFS?
Carrick?
Fellaini?


Who???
Outfield player who have been better than Rooney over the last 18 months:
Herrera
Young
Smalling
Blind
Shaw this season before injury
Bfs
Lingard
 
Who the feck is Pilib De Brun? And why should I care that he's been reading Red Issue?

Rooney out with an ankle injury. We saw it against Leicester.

I tend to think that he's injured indeed but nothing I saw on tv suggested that it was the ankle that got injured? Or I'm wrong?
 
I tend to think that he's injured indeed but nothing I saw on tv suggested that it was the ankle that got injured? Or I'm wrong?
I saw it on TV too. I thought it showed him having his ankle looked at after he was subbed off.
 
Games without him this season:
2-1 loss vs PSV
3-2 loss vs Wolfsburg
3-1 win vs Liverpool
2-1 win vs Watford
0-0 draw vs West Ham
2-1 loss to Bournemouth

Clearly the problem goes a bit further then he's just past it doesn't it?

Looking at that we have had only 1 nil-nil without Rooney in the team out of 6 this season.

9 goals in 6 games is an average of 1.5 goals per game which I would suspect is a lot higher than when Rooney's playing.
 
@Maradona10 keep the conspiracy bullshit out of this thread. If you want to discuss that nonsense make a new thread in the United forum.
I dont understand this, its very normal to post this in the rooney thread. Why should i post it anywhere else. May be you are just another fanboy who fails to see there are deper issues behind such a sharp decline of a player. The things you call "bullshit", were proven right when rio released his book and what he said on moyes. If you dont like the post skip over it. You dont have to reply now do you?
 
A No 10 who has assisted one league goal all year (and it was off-side, tbf). And a No 9 who has scored 5 league goals from open play this year, i.e., as many as Lewandowski scored for 9 min. He is ridiculously bad if you take into account his wages. That's a disgrace.

My feeling is that the Rooney supporters don't actually watch our games or check the stats/numbers.
If any player in the EPL or Championship had those stats, he'd be benched and then sold at the earliest opportunity.
 
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I dont understand this, its very normal to post this in the rooney thread. Why should i post it anywhere else. May be you are just another fanboy who fails to see there are deper issues behind such a sharp decline of a player. The things you call "bullshit", were proven right when rio released his book and what he said on moyes. If you dont like the post skip over it. You dont have to reply now do you?
What the feck are you on about? This thread is to discuss his performances, like I said if you want to talk about other shit make a thread. It's quite simple.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...y-for-keeping-the-dressing-room-together.html

David de Gea praises Wayne Rooney for keeping the dressing room together

De Gea said: “As our captain he has a big personality. He always tries to motivate us. When things are going badly it’s always him who speaks up and encourages us.

“He’s breaking all kinds of records for goals scored and games played and I reckon he deserves it as he is such a great player.

He added: “This league is very tough to win and there will be a number of teams who will be in the shake-up for the title.

“That’s what we all want, to stay up near the top, and to get to April and be in a position where we can win the league. That’s what we’re going to try to make happen.”
 
Breaking all sorts of records.

If by records he means scales. Then yes.
 
He’s breaking all kinds of records for goals scored and games played and I reckon he deserves it as he is such a great player.

He added: “This league is very tough to win and there will be a number of teams who will be in the shake-up for the title.

“That’s what we all want, to stay up near the top, and to get to April and be in a position where we can win the league. That’s what we’re going to try to make happen.”

True Dave but hilarious timing to bring up goalscoring.
 
Said it yesterday. If we can replace him with someone better, then great. But right now? He's useful. Experienced, influential, can play in a number of different positions.

The hounding of him by the boo boys is a disgrace to this football club
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I think it's different with Rooney. I never boo any United players even the likes of Fellaini and Young when they were getting criticised for long periods. I agree that some players should be sold for the good of the club but never hound them out.

Rooney on the other hand has taken this club for a ride at times. Two transfer requests, claiming we don't show enough ambition and that we need better players, now he's the worst player in our team but yet still the highest earner, captain and starts every week. I've never respected him and don't consider him a United legend like some do. No doubt he was a fantastic player and played a big part in our success but if he was bold enough to come forward and challenge the club when he was at his best then it's not disrespectful to challenge him when he's playing like this and being paid outrageous amounts of money that he basically got from forcing the club into a corner.
 
He's far from the worst player in our team. That is just silly to say that.

Erm, no he clearly is. Based on actual performances so far this season, he is comfortably the worst footballer we have regardless of his past exploits or his current salary.
 
Who has been worse than Rooney for Utd in the calendar year of 2015?

Nobody.

Who in 2015 has consistently looked good as a striker at United. Is partly him partly the system. Can't compare what has generally been his role in the team to other players, as his role is possibly the most demanding.
 
Who in 2015 has consistently looked good as a striker at United. Is partly him partly the system. Can't compare what has generally been his role in the team to other players, as his role is possibly the most demanding.

Martial. He's been class apart from 2-3 games. He hasn't been prolific in the league but unlike Rooney he has been good on the ball and dangerous.

The other strikers - RvP and Falcao - are past it and it is obvious in their new teams as well. Mind, they were still better than Rooney. Falcao scored/assisted a league goal every 166 min. Rooney has needed 525 min to contribute a league goal this season. He's been terrible.
 
“He’s breaking all kinds of records for goals scored and games played and I reckon he deserves it as he is such a great player.

2 league goals so far.
I believe DDG is referring to a negative record. You know, the sort of records which Moyes was breaking during his time here. ;)
 
A lot of Rumours on Twitter that a gag has been put on the press.
I thought it was strange that LVG wasn't even asked about Tooney in the last pressed. Not even one question.
 
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