The-Natural
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Well it's finally happened gentlemen. Rightly or wrongly I must say i'm looking forward to the game tomorrow much more now.
How Fellaini played against PSV when he came on was pretty much as bad as any player has played this season at United. He was terrible. And generally just not suited to us. So I don't know why you'd want him up there as it would be a lot worse then Rooney, even if he's been shite. Pereira, Lingard are just youngsters basically. Sure for 1 game it's fine, but if Rooney is out for more then a couple of games then we're fecked as they can't play too many games in a row. We've left ourselves short of numbers so have to make do with what we have, that's why it's stupid to want anyone to be injured.Rooney's been far and away our worst attacker this season. He's been absolutely appalling. The longer he's out of the team, the better.
Right now I'd happily play any of Martial, Memphis, Mata, Lingard, Pereira and Fellaini ahead of Rooney.
How Fellaini played against PSV when he came on was pretty much as bad as any player has played this season at United. He was terrible. And generally just not suited to us. So I don't know why you'd want him up there as it would be a lot worse then Rooney, even if he's been shite. Pereira, Lingard are just youngsters basically. Sure for 1 game it's fine, but if Rooney is out for more then a couple of games then we're fecked as they can't play too many games in a row. We've left ourselves short of numbers so have to make do with what we have, that's why it's stupid to want anyone to be injured.
A Q&A last week saw Wayne Rooney asked what his chosen superpower would be. 'To be invisible,' the Manchester United forward replied. You couldn't make it up.
At Leicester, he may as well have been. No shots on target, no chances created, no take-ons, no crosses, no impact whatsoever, really. Just 23 passes, 70 per cent accuracy, and a substitution after 68 minutes in an uninspiring 1-1 draw at the King Power Stadium.
A turnaround is needed but the football being played under Louis van Gaal – so dull that it has been denounced by his own fans – isn't helping English football's great goalscorer.
WAYNE ROONEY'S RECORD
525 – minutes-per-goal ratio in 2015-16
240 – minutes-per-goal ratio in 2014-15
144 – minutes-per-goal ratio in 2013-14
168 – minutes-per-goal ratio in 2012-13
105 – minutes-per-goal ratio in 2011-12
Rooney will not face West Ham or feature in arguably United's biggest match of the season against Wolfsburg in the Champions League due to an ankle injury, but will hope he can shake his awful form when he returns.
Rooney's current minutes-per-goal ratio (525), for example, is five times worse than in 2011-12 (105). He has never failed to reach double figures in a Premier League season at United but, with two goals and zero assists so far, that is in jeopardy.
Some suggest it is down to his age, given he is a 30-year-old in his 14th season in the world's most demanding division. Rooney, after all, made 678 appearances before his 30th birthday on October 24 – even more than the ever-present Ryan Giggs (606). That in itself is a tiring thought.
TOP DISTANCES BY FORWARDS THIS SEASON BEFORE LAST WEEKEND
80.1 miles – Harry Kane, Tottenham Hotspur
77.34 miles – Jamie Vardy, Leicester City
75.24 miles – Graziano Pelle, Southampton
73.98 miles – Wayne Rooney, Man Utd
73.66 miles – Troy Deeney, Watford
Yet despite approaching his 700th game, he still knows how to put in a shift.
Before Leicester, only three other forwards had covered a further distance than Rooney (73.98 miles) this season – Harry Kane (80.1 miles), Jamie Vardy (77.34 miles) and Graziano Pelle (75.24 miles).
Trouble is, they are scoring, he isn't, and the consensus remains that Rooney would start for Roy Hodgson ahead of Kane and Vardy at Euro 2016 – even in this form.
Still, at least he knows where he stands with England by being used as a striker. If only it was that simple in Manchester.
Being passed from pillar to post by Van Gaal hasn't helped Rooney.
He was tried at No 10 but the club turned to Juan Mata, Ashley Young and Angel di Maria, among others. He was switched to midfield but the club bought Morgan Schneiderlin and Bastian Schweinsteiger to add to a collection that already included Ander Herrera, Michael Carrick and Daley Blind. He was used as their primary forward at the beginning of this season but the club invested in Anthony Martial as their new No 9.
So, where does he fit? Rooney doesn't handle being told to try different positions in different systems well, which Sir Alex Ferguson noted in his autobiography in 2013.
'In my opinion he was not the quickest learner but what he had was a natural instinct to play the game,' Ferguson wrote. 'In a training ground exercise he wouldn't absorb new ideas or methods quickly. His instinct was to revert to type, to trust what he already knew.'
Being told to play here and there doesn't help, and neither does the slow tempo with which they have been building attacks this season.
FEWEST SHOTS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE THIS SEASON
119 – Watford
116 – Stoke City
105 – Aston Villa
102 – Manchester United
101 – Sunderland
99 – West Brom
95 – Newcastle United
United are third in the table but have had the fourth fewest shots this season (102) with only Sunderland (101), West Brom (99) and Newcastle (95) worse off. They also average the most passes before taking a shot (74). Stoke and Aston Villa – next in the list – are on 53.
They are not creating chances – not enough, anyway.
Mesut Ozil (58) has created the most in the Premier League with Dimitri Payet (47) second. The closest any United player comes is Mata (23), followed by Rooney (12).
Part of the problem is playing sideways.
Rooney has completed 51 passes to Schweinsteiger this season and 55 to Mata but just 17 to Martial, who is without a goal in the Premier League since September 20. That is an issue in itself.
MOST CHANCES CREATED IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE
58 – Mesut Ozil (Arsenal)
47 – Dimitri Payet (West Ham)
39 – Eden Hazard (Chelsea)
37 – Santi Cazorla (Arsenal)
MOST CHANCES CREATED AT MANCHESTER UNITED
23 – Juan Mata
12 – Wayne Rooney
9 – Anthony Martial
8 – Ander Herrera
Rooney is being asked to support the striker but he and Martial have yet to understand each other, being kept too far apart.
Alan Shearer put it best on Match of the Day last week: 'Look at the space, the gaps between the forwards. There's no link-up between Martial and Rooney, they are not working as a pair whatsoever at all. That is coming from the manager. I would not want to play in that team because of the lack of chances they create.'
Rooney is no longer the 20-goal forward he once was, nor 15, and even has his work cut out just to reach 10 this season, but that's the task ahead.
He has himself to blame as much as Van Gaal's style of football but all Rooney can do is make the best of a bad situation, otherwise it could be curtains for the Manchester United great.
I am not on redissue, but they were right about lot of stuff at time of moyes (this is how jagielka would do it,rio,cleverly etc). Anyone who knows exactly what the "rumor" is?
Well, i hope its out in the press soon. I wonder if he has issues with coleen? Or maybe he wanted a christmas break and decided to sod off.Maybe toothache from eating all those sweets.
I am not on redissue, but they were right about lot of stuff at time of moyes (this is how jagielka would do it,rio,cleverly etc). Anyone who knows exactly what the "rumor" is?
The mirror says he was actually dropped/rested. There are concerns about his form at the top level of the club and he is given time off to sort himself out. I think if his form does not pick up, we may as well be seeing the last of wayne rooney.it was strange how he came off with a blow to the body but currently has a bad ankle injury
Wow. That's a surprise - provided it's true of course..The mirror says he was actually dropped/rested. There are concerns about his form at the top level of the club and he is given time off to sort himself out. I think if his form does not pick up, we may as well be seeing the last of wayne rooney.
Life is never that kind. He's probably in the process of completing his take over of the club.The mirror says he was actually dropped/rested. There are concerns about his form at the top level of the club and he is given time off to sort himself out. I think if his form does not pick up, we may as well be seeing the last of wayne rooney.
The mirror says he was actually dropped/rested. There are concerns about his form at the top level of the club and he is given time off to sort himself out. I think if his form does not pick up, we may as well be seeing the last of wayne rooney.
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Posted as an example of more media attention being given to his poor form. And also for the opening paragraph, which I found pretty funny.
Still includes a lot of the bollocks excuses, unfortunately.
That's true. Also, fellaini'sI'm all for dropping Rooney as well but he'd have scored the chance Martial missed yesterday. If there's one thing he can still do, it's finish.
I thought this on Friday - not a real injury but a face-saving excuse to pull him out of the firing line for a while
The mirror says he was actually dropped/rested. There are concerns about his form at the top level of the club and he is given time off to sort himself out. I think if his form does not pick up, we may as well be seeing the last of wayne rooney.
has moved on recently from he has to play, to never being subbed, to now being subbed occasionally, and now "left" out.
Can definitely see it going the way of VP, depending on who we can attract in the summer, and how we and Rooney deal with the huge wage and him not necessarily being a regular.
3 seasons left on a contract of somewhere in the 200-300k territory would be madness to walk away from for the lad, who you surely can't imagine doing media work or staying on a manager/coach
DIdn't he miss a sitter (from one meter or so) in the games against PSV?I'm all for dropping Rooney as well but he'd have scored the chance Martial missed yesterday. If there's one thing he can still do, it's finish.
You can't go on playing a player who has played poorly almost every game this season (and the majority of games for the last two years). On the other hand, LVG is too proud to go back on his word that "his captain shall always play". So a solution shall be found.Cracking decision then, with Rooney playing we might have scored 0 yesterday..
And lets never forget the wise and articulate Robbie Savage.If the charisma black holes that are Gerrard and Scholes can get pundit work I don't see why Rooney can't.
You can't go on playing a player who has played poorly almost every game this season (and the majority of games for the last two years). On the other hand, LVG is too proud to go back on his word that "his captain shall always play". So a solution shall be found.
It's so obvious.
What? Is alcohol completely banned or something?Ok I've just seen elsewhere.... Apparently blood tests were done at Carrington and Wayne had alcohol in his. This it seems is the reason he's not playing - it's nothing to do with him being injured.....
Saw this on twitter earlier... nice to see his punishment was sitting in the stands sharing a bag of sweets with his kid.
See Rossi's post above.What? Is alcohol completely banned or something?
Rossi is the issue that he had an excessive amount of alcohol in his samples? Or are you not allowed any alcohol
See Rossi's post above.
I don't know about alcohol being banned but as an elite athlete you really shouldn't go anywhere near it really. However, having one glass of something shouldn't be a problem I don't think. If it's an issue it might be that there's an excessive amount that's shown up in his samples, and this I believe would have a negative impact on your performance. I don't know enough though on alcohol and performance - I'm just thinking logically a huge intake is not good for an athlete.
I don't think they are supposed to drink at certain times before games. That might be the point.Rossi is the issue that he had an excessive amount of alcohol in his samples? Or are you not allowed any alcohol
See Rossi's post above.
I don't know about alcohol being banned but as an elite athlete you really shouldn't go anywhere near it really. However, having one glass of something shouldn't be a problem I don't think. If it's an issue it might be that there's an excessive amount that's shown up in his samples, and this I believe would have a negative impact on your performance. I don't know enough though on alcohol and performance - I'm just thinking logically a huge intake is not good for an athlete.
Oh ok..I don't think they are supposed to drink at certain times before games. That might be the point.
Yeah that 'Boro' thing pissed me off as well. But I wonder if this incident means LVG will treat him like everyone else now... i.e. not playing him because he's Wayne Rooney but only on merit as he seems to do with the others...Don't know how LvG works but, it could be he went out without permission from LvG.
Not really fussed anyways. Lost any interest in Rooney the moment he came on against Boro, demanding the armband