I think the longer he is untouchable then it will tear the dressing room apart anyway. If he is dropped and we start performing properly they will soon get over it.
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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Probably true, which means LVG needs to start growing some big balls.
55% pass accuracy
0 shots on target
0 chances created
0 take ons
"Works his bollox off and did well in protecting defence from their set pieces"
What a joke.
Must be hard defending him when even the stats won't mask the fact he was abysmal yet again. He might not have been the worst player on the pitch every single game (he was in this match, though) and, sure, som has been as bad as him once in a while (noone denies that), but there's a reason for this wave of criticism - good, solid performances are now the exception, not the rule anymore. Of course, when someone stinks up the place for 30 straight matches, chances are that he will be more and more criticised as each game passes by with him letting us down again. But yeah, we're the haters, ruling out the chance that we actually care about the team rather than some individual's feelings.
I'm glad the media are starting to pick up on it. Will be interesting to see for how long Rooney's spin doctors will be able to keep up with this charade.
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"Works his bollox off and did well in protecting defence from their set pieces"
What a joke.Must be hard defending him when even the stats won't mask the fact he was abysmal yet again. He might not have been the worst player on the pitch every single game (he was in this match, though) and, sure, som has been as bad as him once in a while (noone denies that), but there's a reason for this wave of criticism - good, solid performances are now the exception, not the rule anymore. Of course, when someone stinks up the place for 30 straight matches, chances are that he will be more and more criticised as each game passes by with him letting us down again. But yeah, we're the haters, ruling out the chance that we actually care about the team rather than some individual's feelings.
I'm glad the media are starting to pick up on it. Will be interesting to see for how long Rooney's spin doctors will be able to keep up with this charade.
It is when 3 came in one game, 3 in 13 games from a main striker isn't good.
Very worrying indeed, at this point it's been too long for him, I'd rather blood Pereira/ Lingard... Can't we talk him into being a nearby retirement home worker? He would be just as happy, but appreciated
If he is dropped and never given a look in he will walk, I tell you. Like Gerrard he is too proud to accept a squad role at this stage in his career.The Rooney problem is something that needs to be addressed immediately as it's clearly the biggest impediment to both our short and long-term success. Ignoring it isn't a solution, and if we think it's bad now I shudder at the thought of what the Rooney thread will be like in another year or two. He's on the hook for another £250-300k/week until June 2019. Based on past behavior, I just can't see him leaving elsewhere unless he got paid the terms of his current contract, even if that meant rotting on our bench. It's clear we need to be rid of as a sulking Rooney isn't going to help matters. But in all likelihood, for Rooney to move on would require United to subsidize a significant portion of his wages. I just can't work out any other solution than this. Who'd be willing to pay his full wages in his current state?
It's not likely that Rooney will score 14 more goals by the end of the season to break Sir Bobby's scoring record, in fact it'd actually be a small miracle if he did. I really hope the scoring record doesn't play any part in LVG's decision-making for sticking with Rooney. For whatever reason, LVG is unwilling to bench Rooney, let alone sub him. One can only hope that LVG will do what he must in the summer and that the club would support him. Wish he'd simply live up to his reputation of having big enough bollocks to bench anyone.
Giving Rooney a 5-year extension should have been a sackable offense in and of itself. Fecking Moyes.IIRC, plenty on here were quite satisfied when Rooney got his extension. This and the Moyes' hire should be a constant reminder that no club is too big to be exempt from massive repercussions brought on by bad decisions. Making Giggs our next manager would also qualify.
Wow, those stats are terrible. I agree that he didn't seem that bad when I watched the game - not that he seemed particularly good or anything.
50% passing accuracy ffs
He's holding us back now and so is LVG for playing him. Come on Wayne, hang your boots up!
Those two are finished too.
<atrial has had no problems scoring goals when playing as a centre forward!
i think can gaal is deciding whether it's time to be done with him completely. i agree that he is unlikely to accept a squad role, so the choice seems to be to either start him or sell him. it seems reasonable to me to give him every possible chance to come good before pulling the plug completely, especially given his stature at the club.
Couldn't even hit the trademark diagonal long ball to Valencia either yesterday , tried it once and it went straight to the corner flag.
, tried it once and it went straight to the corner flag.
I agree that he didn't seem that bad when I watched the game - not that he seemed particularly good or anything.
50% passing accuracy ffs
Actually went to the whoscored thinking I could find something positive as I thought he deserved some praise for the game but those stats are indeed horrific, probably the worst I've ever seen myself. Just shows how off statistics can be sometimes if you don't also watch the game.Watching Rooney makes me sad.
Listening to Van Gaal rave about Rooney and insist that he must always play makes me angry.
Seeing the Independent give Rooney a higher rating than Martial makes me laugh though, so, every cloud.
Listening to Van Gaal rave about Rooney and insist that he must always play makes me angry.
Seeing the Independent give Rooney a higher rating than Martial makes me laugh though, so, every cloud.
He would have a wail of a time, all those naughty Gilfs, we could even buy him a retirement home and be better off.
LVG needs to find another solution to this dilemma before it does more damage to us.
You know, it wouldn;t be so bad if it was just his explosiveness which he lacked. The effects of age and loss of fast twitch muscle fibres are naturally going to account for a loss in bursts of speed. The thing that irks me the most when watching Wayne is his first touch is so heavy his second touch is often an attempted tackle. I don't know if it's through instruction or that he has bought into the silent domination rubbish that he needs to be more static up front to be an effective lone striker. I'd be inclined to believe it's the latter since when Martial plays there his movement is constant and dangerous.
I think half of it is physical depreciation and part mental but I guarantee one thing. We will never see the Rooney of old, or even last season. He hasn't adapted his game. I don't know if it's the coaches responsibility or his, or a mix of both, but he should have concentrated on refining his touch and passing by putting in extra hours on the field with a view to becoming a less mobile, but more creative force. Instead, these qualities that once were second nature to him have also been allowed to rot.
I wouldn't be surprised if he concentrates on nothing but finishing in training in order to reach his laughable boast of 20+ goals as the main striker. However, he never gets close enough to the goal to offer a threat and if you watch his movement, it's static at best. Often he just stands in between both defenders when he should be offering support to the right sided forward. I can't even be bothered to address his negative attitude to passing, it feels like he makes more passes to Smalling then Mata in the average game. His back is always to goal and the only solution seems to be to play him on the left or right since he has become undroppable. A sad state of affairs indeed.
I think half of it is physical depreciation and part mental but I guarantee one thing. We will never see the Rooney of old, or even last season. He hasn't adapted his game. I don't know if it's the coaches responsibility or his, or a mix of both, but he should have concentrated on refining his touch and passing by putting in extra hours on the field with a view to becoming a less mobile, but more creative force. Instead, these qualities that once were second nature to him have also been allowed to rot.
I wouldn't be surprised if he concentrates on nothing but finishing in training in order to reach his laughable boast of 20+ goals as the main striker. However, he never gets close enough to the goal to offer a threat and if you watch his movement, it's static at best. Often he just stands in between both defenders when he should be offering support to the right sided forward. I can't even be bothered to address his negative attitude to passing, it feels like he makes more passes to Smalling then Mata in the average game. His back is always to goal and the only solution seems to be to play him on the left or right since he has become undroppable. A sad state of affairs indeed.
Wayne Rooney - 7 out of 10
After turning 30 on Saturday, the United skipper led from the front. Delivering a display epitomising his responsibilities, his most memorable contributions came in front of his own goal.
Anthony Martial - 6 out of 10
Had little room to manoeuvre on the left wing, a position Louis van Gaal has insisted upon lately, and inevitably cut an isolated and frustrated figure.
What kind of bog eyed cnut could come up with those ratings I ask you?
The Times had it right. Martial 7, Rooney 5.
After turning 30 on Saturday, the United skipper led from the front. Delivering a display epitomising his responsibilities, his most memorable contributions came in front of his own goal.
Anthony Martial - 6 out of 10
Had little room to manoeuvre on the left wing, a position Louis van Gaal has insisted upon lately, and inevitably cut an isolated and frustrated figure.
What kind of bog eyed cnut could come up with those ratings I ask you?
The Times had it right. Martial 7, Rooney 5.
5 is par, in my opinion, relative to the player and the circumstances. So Rooney was probably a 5 relative to his own abilities (shite), but given it was a derby and was an opportunity to go to the top of the table, Rooney was probably closer to a 1. Equally weighted, he was a 3.
Science.
My predition: Rooney will be sold next summer...........
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I personally have 5 as below average. Below 5 is starting to border on ineptitude, 6 or 7 is average for me, and anything above that is a more than decent performance.
I agree. Moyes was so full of himself for Rooney signing that extension....
Giving Rooney a 5-year extension should have been a sackable offense in and of itself. Fecking Moyes.
If I remember correctly, it was sold to the fans as being a great deal because the club would have to spend a fortune in fees and wages to replace him...
The club was at such a low ebb, that we were willing to do anything to keep what we saw as our best player. He and his agent took advantage of that and was given a ridiculous contract. It's the second worse decision of the club in the last decade after the appointment of Mr Moyes. In normal terms, he's untransferrable because no one is willing to take up that contract. First of all, I don't think Rooney is willing to leave England. He has said it on several occasions that he doesn't have the desire to play abroad. There is no one in this country that will pay him anywhere close. Chelsea, Arsenal and City won't want him cause he isn't good enough to start and he doesn't want a bench role.
Even if we give him a free transfer, Everton will not pick up his wages. This is Bill Kenwright we are talking about. The only way a transfer happens is if we give a free transfer and subsidies his wages with over £100,000 till 2019. I want to see how Ed explains that to his employers.
I think we are going to have an Adebayor situation on our hands.
Even if we give him a free transfer, Everton will not pick up his wages. This is Bill Kenwright we are talking about. The only way a transfer happens is if we give a free transfer and subsidies his wages with over £100,000 till 2019. I want to see how Ed explains that to his employers.
I think we are going to have an Adebayor situation on our hands.
If only we had a manager with real balls Rooney would engineer his exit in the summer on his own, if he gets dropped and loses his default starter status he'd be making noises in January because his Euro 2016 place would e in jeopardy and by May he'd be so pissed that he will feck off into the desert without needing the gentlest of pushes. If we drop him, he is done here!
The system we play requires a player with certain skills,which neither Rooney , RVP or Falcao have. In their peak, they would have been perfect, but now they are all struggling . Its the same reason why I wasnt worried when Falcao left us for Chelsea, It wasnt only the system that was the problem, its also the player fading badly. I would feel the same if Rooney left. I have seen Rooney put equally absymal performances for the NT especially for at major tournaments. This perfomances are no suprise at all.
The reason that Martial excels there is that he has the skills required for an LVG system, good first touch, fantastic hold up play and generally maintains his position within the forward line. That makes the job of the players around him easier and brings others into play. With Rooney its the complete opposite, the other players have to do both their jobs and compensate for some of his failings.
If anyone saw his performances this Summer for England, you'd see that its more than a system thing , Think for example his performance against Ireland. He's been quite poor for a while now as a forward, however now he has mastered the art of consistency in doing that .
A lot of people seem to be surprised at how poor is he has been , but I am not. Remember that he played as forward for us at the beginning of LVG's reign, he was then changed when LVG said he didn't like that. After a major part of the season out of the forward line, he was brought back near the end of the season and was still very poor( That's when we were subjected to the silent domination rubbish) . We tried it again this year, he was still terrible and moved Martial there who was for some reason not hindered by the supposed system at all. For some inexplicable reason, he's been moved there again, and unsurprisingly the old problems with our system have arisen again.
He simply doesnt have the skills to play forward for us anymore, and I dont not expect a sudden upturn. I'd hope he would be dropped or moved to left wing(That brings with it its own problems), but something will have to give soon.
Hopefully.
Since when did running around with purpose become enough for a player to be classified world class? And why then doesn't Valencia get the same vindication?
Its obvious to see he's holding us back. A world class striker and we'd have at least 4 more point this season, possibly more.
He should at least be benched until he regains his form. And none of that crap about him needing to play to recapture his form, cause he's been playing for the past year and is still crap.
Its obvious to see he's holding us back. A world class striker and we'd have at least 4 more point this season, possibly more.
He should at least be benched until he regains his form. And none of that crap about him needing to play to recapture his form, cause he's been playing for the past year and is still crap.
He had zero touches inside the penalty box in the first half.. and I'm sure it was the same in the second one, maybe one or two. Explain to me how a CF can neglect his primary responsibility of being a focal point and a target for wide players to play to. I applaud his desire of always wanting to be in the thick of the action, his industry and defensive contribution. But to do this at the cost of your primary responsibility is an unforgivable offense. What if Schweinsteiger decides he wants to score more goals and moves up the pitch all the time ?? Will Van Gaal be happy ?? Or if Darmian or Rojo drives along the flank with no care about defensive duties ?? Will Van Gaal keep mum then??
Yesterday he was the difference between the two teams. A better CF and we would have won the game. Sticking Martial to the wings is a criminal offense not because he is being wasted, but Rooney fails to get us the goals.
Yesterday he was the difference between the two teams. A better CF and we would have won the game. Sticking Martial to the wings is a criminal offense not because he is being wasted, but Rooney fails to get us the goals.
I think I first said that I suspect something fishy with his contract last season, and that view was ridiculed. Now it is starting to seem more and more like the only plausible explanation.
Rooney is not only not good enough for Manchester United, he is not currently good enough to be a Premier League striker.
For those insisting he would get 20 goals this season, I have no idea how they thought/think he can do that. I sometimes laugh at how terrible we would look if not for a much-criticised deadline day move for Martial. We would not qualify for the CL next season, and go out at the group stages for certain in this one.
Rooney is not only not good enough for Manchester United, he is not currently good enough to be a Premier League striker.
For those insisting he would get 20 goals this season, I have no idea how they thought/think he can do that. I sometimes laugh at how terrible we would look if not for a much-criticised deadline day move for Martial. We would not qualify for the CL next season, and go out at the group stages for certain in this one.
We would be in desperate trouble without Martial. That is looking like a genius signing now. I would be having nightmares if we were relying on Wayne Rooney for goals.
All the stuff about him playing into form. If it was like Harry Kane and the work and threat was there, but all the problem is about putting the ball in the net, then fine. He might now be getting that right. However Wayne is offering absolutely nothing. No pace, no assists, nothing. In fact he is a menace to his own team. He has gone completely. You would expect him to be in form by now after 14 games and a couple of England games.
It's bordering on "feck you" here. not because he is playing like this, but rather because he doesn't say "hey, boss, I play like an outhouse, can you just please sub me/give me time off to find my old self?"
No mate. He's also stealing a wage. He took us for mugs at a time we were grieving Sir Alex's retirement and conned us to give him such a silly contract. He now needs to do the right thing and feck off to MLS.
Now he's being slated for not refusing to play. Awesome stuff, redcafe, the thread that keeps on giving.
Seriously. Are people expecting Rooney or for that matter any player to go up and tell the boss. "Hey!! I am in s**t form and looks like I will never improve. So don't play me"
Not read the whole thread but I don't think that is what he is being hated for. It's more of a number of things from his past by threatening to leave to City, to his massive contract, to his performances only being worsened by Massimo Taibi's performances at United. Add that to the fact we have moved Martial who is a much better player out to the wing...
He just cant control a ball and pass it on anymore. So many attacks he messes up. It's shocking really. He's been playing so poorly lately that he should be benched
Yes, Neville did that a few years ago but Rooney doesn't come across as someone who would do that.
That's effectively what Gary Neville did.
Pity we don't have a Ronaldo type waving his arms about in frustration everytime Wayne misplaces or miscontrols a pass. While his teammates are quite happy to put up with getting slagged off for all his frailties then nothing will happen.
Gary didn't do that, he retired. And making that decision is easy at 36. Anybody expecting Rooney to do the same has his head in a cloud. This will be down to the manager and no one else.
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