And he won't get dropped because he's a captain. feck me.
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And he won't get dropped because he's a captain. feck me.
He was dreadful. His agent must laugh at how they were able to get that much money out of the club. He's definitely past his best, but the worrying thing is just how far past it he is...
Seriously I'd take Cavani over him.
That's why he should never, ever have been made captain. He's easily one of the most overrated players in the world and has no business captaining Manchester United because he's so often poor. The team and manager cannot depend on him to perform every match because he certainly won't, not even the majority of matches.
He was garbage today. He's plays as a no10, he should be the focal point of attacks and one of our chief creators but he does nothing. He's better of playing right up top where he can get flick ons and hold the ball. That's the only thing he's good at these days.
To be honest, Rooney should always be giving the balls away the most, because of his position and what he is asked to do. Who should be giving the ball away more, the defence and midfield? Obviously not. Van Persie isn't really asked to create, and was fairly anonymous, get the ball and shoot is his job, he performs a easy recycling pass or layoff when the opportunity presents. Mata may have a high passing % but he was also very sub standard this game and was never able to get on the receiving end of a pass and (mainly because they were way too high for him whilst a 6ft 4 defender stood next to him).
He should be dropped. He needs to rediscover his form and fast.
We're forever talking about which players we signed and whether or not we should have brought them e.g. the Van Persie/Mata thread few days back. But you also have to wonder why the hell we give certain players long term contracts for not a great return. Today is a great example of why the Cavani link isn't as BS as it may come across.
Cavani would be a much butter striker for United than Rooney/RVP and I have said this in the past, he is like the much better version of Welbeck. Making runs, stretching defences, dribbling ability but he can also score goals.
Mata's nos. are mostly down to safe backpasses well in front of the crowded Burnley backline so it's obvious his stats are going to look better than Rooney's. You justified Rvp's better passing rate yourself.
I'm not saying he was great or anything, but he certainly wasn't any worse than Mata/RvP. So if we were to drop 1 or 2 of the 3, it has to be RvP and Mata in that order.
If Rooney ever created anything, it would be more acceptable for him to give the ball away. Unfortunately, he has yet to do anything worthwhile yet in terms of creating chances. He's been so indecisive in and near the box that he just gives it away or shoots into a defender.
This is Rooney, good for 10 to 15 games a season and the rest of his games he's bad but still manages to score a goal. Now he's playing like shit and not scoring any. Most of you will praise him and only remember him for those 10 to 15 good games he has by the end of this season.
To be honest all he needs to do is score a goal next match, even if his overall game is poor, then they will be back saying he is world class and we are "Rooney-haters".
We all know he can create, and usually racks up the assists and was heavily involved in the fleeting moments of good form last year. No one created anything today, judging soley off this game, you would even think DDG is a poor player. Lets look at the bigger picture, even with a poor performance like this, he doesn't stand out as one of the worst players, that is saying something.
Rooney, RVP and Mata have all been as bad as each other. The three of them seem awfully slow these days and it's a big problem when you have all of them in the team. It's too easy to blame it on what is behind them, as someone said last weekend they look more like one of the bigger problems themselves, non-existent off the ball movement and invention.
Rooney Vs Rvp passing stats for the season so far:
Pass success rate:
Rooney: 78.7%
Rvp: 79.3
Average passes per game:
Rooney: 36
RvP: 14.5
Key passes per game:
Rooney: 0.7
RvP: 0.0
Long balls per game:
Rooney: 3.7
RvP: 0.0
All Taken from WhoScored.com
The sample size is so small as to be meaningless at this stage, and as ever stats don't tell the full story.
But what you might take from these is that Rooney has been much more involved in our build up play this season than RvP has; is marginally more likely than RvP to misplace a pass ; is more likely than RvP to create a goal scoring opportunity through a pass; and that Rooney still loves floating the long diagonal to the right wing.
What's also interesting is that we've only played a *single* successful through ball in 3 games so far. And that was today, Di Maria to Rvp.
Pass success rate:
Rooney: 78.7%
Rvp: 79.3
Average passes per game:
Rooney: 36
RvP: 14.5
Key passes per game:
Rooney: 0.7
RvP: 0.0
Long balls per game:
Rooney: 3.7
RvP: 0.0
All Taken from WhoScored.com
The sample size is so small as to be meaningless at this stage, and as ever stats don't tell the full story.
But what you might take from these is that Rooney has been much more involved in our build up play this season than RvP has; is marginally more likely than RvP to misplace a pass ; is more likely than RvP to create a goal scoring opportunity through a pass; and that Rooney still loves floating the long diagonal to the right wing.
What's also interesting is that we've only played a *single* successful through ball in 3 games so far. And that was today, Di Maria to Rvp.
I think perhaps we need to ditch all three. Play Welbeck, Januzaj, Di Maria? See if we can reintroduce these three players back in to a functional team, gradually.
It's hard to remember a game where you'd give Rooney more than a 6 out of 10, even those he managed to get a goal in... start of the year last year under Moyes for a brief while we saw a hungry, angry Rooney to be fair, didn't last much past Christmas though, but he's a glorified poacher for me these days, best role is clearly furthest forward and leading the line, the old drop a shoulder, beat a man, direct, run with the ball type player he once was has truely disapeared from his game.
he cant be dropped. He is the captain and is on astronomical wages.
He can be dropped. LVG: "I'm not starting you today Rooney, I want you to come on later". Or whatever, this whole "he can't be dropped" is a crock of shit.
Utter shit today along with rvp. Fed up with both of them.
What difference does that make? Of course he can be dropped.
Some of you are Rooney haters, and it is blatantly obvious.
A 'Rooney hater' isn't someone who e.g. thinks Wayne Rooney is over rated, or no longer good enough for Manchester United. That he's a bit slower than he used to be, a bit less explosive, and is no longer a match winner justifying £250'000 a week. That's a fair enough argument to make, although there is a good counter-argument for it as well.
It's just that from some quarters, it comes with such bile that you can tell it isn't just about his footballing skills, and there is a bit of an agenda there.
(Go look at how many posts there are criticising RvP in the RvP thread for example - a player who's not actually been as good as Rooney over the last 15 months or so)
RVP never threatened to leave his team.
Rooney was awful today....I often wonder is Welbeck a better player than Rooney?..Is Welbeck getting sacraficed because we simply would never find a buyer for Rooney? Rooney was nowhere near as awful as Mata and Valencia today but on current form Rooney is on a salary that is paying him 3 times more than he should be getting...
Rooney wouldn't get near the first team line up in most top 10 Euro clubs
Rooney wouldn't get near the first team line up in most top 10 Euro clubs
No youre right. He just left his team and joined us.
Rooney had an entire preseason to get into form and fitness, while RVP has only had 120 minutes of football since the end of the World Cup.
He's incredibly smelly & should be wellied into the sun; preferably not by Valencia though.
300K a week 
I think he is past it. Now we have a massive long term wage bill on our hands, who is captain, and has a first touch about as good as Chich.
Rooney in the team on reputation rather than performance.
Who from our forwards does currently deserve to be in the team? He's the only one of 'em to actually score in the league this season.
He's a problem currently for us and England.
Fergie knew when he moved him to CM that his best days as a striker were over.
I'll do it, oh please let me do it! If I miss I'll kick him again and again until I get it right I promise!
My point has always been that he is over-rated. If he is a good as you obviously think he is how come in 90 minutes he cannot even create a couple good scoring opportunities for himself? I don't care how out of form a top player is, in 90 minutes he must be able to at least beat a man or two and make an attempt at goal.
By the way the only time I have seen Rooney in a non-football situation was sometime ago when he was pranked by Rio, involving a pet shop I think. He came across as a nice guy. My problem with him is not personal. Not even with his supposed wage demands. Its purely football-related.
I just don't get how intelligent people cannot look at his overall play and not realize he is not good enough to be our main focus of attack.
Is it patriotism? Is it the English bulldog spirit of graft Vs guile/ skill?
At last, an unbiased opinion!
The funny thing is I'm no longer the most extreme one in here.... Time to up my game I think
Which tells you something about the players' decisiveness.
Did Mata, RvP or Di Maria do that? No? Then the people who think they are excellent players who are currently misfiring are wrong! They created no chances for themselves away to Burnley, and so are obviously nowhere near as good as their fans think they are.
Rooney got a key pass to his name today, as did Di Maria. RvP didn't make any. Rooney also completed one successful dribble to RvP's none.
So by your own criteria, maybe it's RvP you should be directing this kind of stuff at.
Yeah, okay.
Do you include LvG in that?
Maybe it's because Rooney can still score and create at levels which match or outstrip supposedly 'superior' players that he's continued to be picked by all the managers to whom he's been available to.
Not here to critique him per se because Mata and Robin have equally underwhelming if not more so. But even leaving the natural physical decline aside - there's something I've noticed a lot in recent years and probably lots of supporters have done the same : Wayne just doesn't seem to have the bullishness of the younger version which made believers of all of us.
When he arrived at United and even during the mid to late-ish 2000s, he just seemed to be a bit of an X-rated nutter on the field who gave no effs, always crunching into tackles, harrying and hounding the nearest ball carrier, messing with opposition players, sarcastically applauding referee decisions. That ability is still evident in flashes particularly under DM last season but not for sustained periods.
I do wonder if in trying to contain that renegade behavior Fergie instead neutered one aspect that made him such a dangerous player. Maybe he should've been left alone and didn't need tampering. You no longer see that fierce competitive glint and fierce desire in his eyes that was so trademark Rooney and that is a bit of a travesty. He was the ultimate blue-collar player back then. Just seems too PR friendly now for lack of a better word. Please turn the beast mode back on Wayne.
When he arrived at United and even during the mid to late-ish 2000s, he just seemed to be a bit of an X-rated nutter on the field who gave no effs, always crunching into tackles, harrying and hounding the nearest ball carrier, messing with opposition players, sarcastically applauding referee decisions. That ability is still evident in flashes particularly under DM last season but not for sustained periods.
I do wonder if in trying to contain that renegade behavior Fergie instead neutered one aspect that made him such a dangerous player. Maybe he should've been left alone and didn't need tampering. You no longer see that fierce competitive glint and fierce desire in his eyes that was so trademark Rooney and that is a bit of a travesty. He was the ultimate blue-collar player back then. Just seems too PR friendly now for lack of a better word. Please turn the beast mode back on Wayne.
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