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I just don't get how intelligent people cannot look at his overall play and not realize he is not good enough to be our main focus of attack.
Is it patriotism? Is it the English bulldog spirit of graft Vs guile/ skill?
LVG is a known member of the English defence league. The whole 'British players are undroppable' conspiracy went out with Moyes, you need another angle, the fans don't pick the players the manager does. RVP was also dire today, lets see if he gets dropped next game.
 
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Not here to critique him per se because Mata and Robin have equally underwhelming if not more so. But even leaving the natural physical decline aside - there's something I've noticed a lot in recent years and probably lots of supporters have done the same : Wayne just doesn't seem to have the bullishness of the younger version which made believers of all of us.

When he arrived at United and even during the mid to late-ish 2000s, he just seemed to be a bit of an X-rated nutter on the field who gave no effs, always crunching into tackles, harrying and hounding the nearest ball carrier, messing with opposition players, sarcastically applauding referee decisions. That ability is still evident in flashes particularly under DM last season but not for sustained periods.

I do wonder if in trying to contain that renegade behavior Fergie instead neutered one aspect that made him such a dangerous player. Maybe he should've been left alone and didn't need tampering. You no longer see that fierce competitive glint and fierce desire in his eyes that was so trademark Rooney and that is a bit of a travesty. He was the ultimate blue-collar player back then. Just seems too PR friendly now for lack of a better word. Please turn the beast mode back on Wayne. :D
I think it's a interesting point. The whole team seems to lack a backbone at the moment. To be honest in Rooney's better days (United's better days too, odd that) we probably had more characters in general, that probably helped. I don't blame Fergie for getting him to tone it down a bit as getting sent off is no way to win a game. Rooney could have gone the same way as some other players, but instead has had a quite consistent successful career under SAF. He became a more rounded player but did lose a bit of his arrogance, right now we could use a bit of the old mentality but not just from Rooney.
 
Did Mata, RvP or Di Maria do that? No? Then the people who think they are excellent players who are currently misfiring are wrong! They created no chances for themselves away to Burnley, and so are obviously nowhere near as good as their fans think they are.



Rooney got a key pass to his name today, as did Di Maria. RvP didn't make any. Rooney also completed one successful dribble to RvP's none.

So by your own criteria, maybe it's RvP you should be directing this kind of stuff at.



Yeah, okay.



Do you include LvG in that?

Maybe it's because Rooney can still score and create at levels which match or outstrip supposedly 'superior' players that he's continued to be picked by all the managers to whom he's been available to.
RVP got off a few good attempts at goal and looked far more dangerous than Rooney.
LVG's attitude towards Rooney is still evolving so, we shall see where it stands at the end of the season.
Look we both want a successful UTd but obviously we see the means by which we accomplish it differently.
 
Thought he played ok in the second half, tried to make things happen even though he wasn't at his best. Doesn't merit the hate he is getting atm. The truth is this very few midfields can carry the sluggish trio that is Rooney, Mata and Van Persie. After the break we need to field this;
----------------------De Gea-----------------------
Rafa-------Smalling----------Jones--------Shaw
-------------Blind---------Herrera--------------
------------------Di Maria-----------------------
Januzaj-----------Rooney---------Welbeck
Welbeck playing a dual role with his starting point in the build up and off the ball being on the left and Di Maria starting as part of the three that can drift to the left to cover Welbeck's move inwards like he did for Christiano. We need pace and vibrancy that Mata and RvP just aren't offering atm. I think with such a set up we will create more and be in control of games.
 
RVP got off a few good attempts at goal and looked far more dangerous than Rooney.
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Beyond his shot in the first half, which was an excellent piece of skill to bring the ball down on his chest and then get a volley off, I can't recall another occasion where his actions threatened the goal.
 
Beyond his shot in the first half, which was an excellent piece of skill to bring the ball down on his chest and then get a volley off, I can't recall another occasion where his actions threatened the goal.

He had a half chance from a header that he put over. It was a difficult chance though.
 
When was the last time he had a great performance against a half decent opposition or scored an important goal for us? Leverkusen?
 
I honestly believe that 90% of Rooney's problem is that he feels he needs to play 7positions, and the way this team is .... who can blame him. Once the team is set and good enough for him to concentrate on being just a striker, i think we will see a vastly improved Rooney.

RVP got off a few good attempts at goal and looked far more dangerous than Rooney.
LVG's attitude towards Rooney is still evolving so, we shall see where it stands at the end of the season.
Look we both want a successful UTd but obviously we see the means by which we accomplish it differently.

Half of the balls Rooney "misplaced" were due to RvP just being to slow to react as well.
 
Another very disappointing performance today. Although Van Persie was worse.
 
Not here to critique him per se because Mata and Robin have equally underwhelming if not more so. But even leaving the natural physical decline aside - there's something I've noticed a lot in recent years and probably lots of supporters have done the same : Wayne just doesn't seem to have the bullishness of the younger version which made believers of all of us.

When he arrived at United and even during the mid to late-ish 2000s, he just seemed to be a bit of an X-rated nutter on the field who gave no effs, always crunching into tackles, harrying and hounding the nearest ball carrier, messing with opposition players, sarcastically applauding referee decisions. That ability is still evident in flashes particularly under DM last season but not for sustained periods.

I do wonder if in trying to contain that renegade behavior Fergie instead neutered one aspect that made him such a dangerous player. Maybe he should've been left alone and didn't need tampering. You no longer see that fierce competitive glint and fierce desire in his eyes that was so trademark Rooney and that is a bit of a travesty. He was the ultimate blue-collar player back then. Just seems too PR friendly now for lack of a better word. Please turn the beast mode back on Wayne. :D
This is a very good point, and to be honest I was one of his most vocal critics every time he did something like clapping the ref or getting sent off, and wanted him to cut it out. Unfortunately it looks like I was wrong and since he has cut it out he is not the same player. Agreed, he needs to be more fiery and less restrained.
 
Beyond his shot in the first half, which was an excellent piece of skill to bring the ball down on his chest and then get a volley off, I can't recall another occasion where his actions threatened the goal.
The header, as mentioned above, as well as shot cleared off the line my a Burnley player.
 
I honestly believe that 90% of Rooney's problem is that he feels he needs to play 7positions, and the way this team is .... who can blame him. Once the team is set and good enough for him to concentrate on being just a striker, i think we will see a vastly improved Rooney.



Half of the balls Rooney "misplaced" were due to RvP just being to slow to react as well.
This is plain subjectivity. It could just as easily be due to Rooney playing the ball in the wrong place.
 
Not here to critique him per se because Mata and Robin have equally underwhelming if not more so. But even leaving the natural physical decline aside - there's something I've noticed a lot in recent years and probably lots of supporters have done the same : Wayne just doesn't seem to have the bullishness of the younger version which made believers of all of us.

When he arrived at United and even during the mid to late-ish 2000s, he just seemed to be a bit of an X-rated nutter on the field who gave no effs, always crunching into tackles, harrying and hounding the nearest ball carrier, messing with opposition players, sarcastically applauding referee decisions. That ability is still evident in flashes particularly under DM last season but not for sustained periods.

I do wonder if in trying to contain that renegade behavior Fergie instead neutered one aspect that made him such a dangerous player. Maybe he should've been left alone and didn't need tampering. You no longer see that fierce competitive glint and fierce desire in his eyes that was so trademark Rooney and that is a bit of a travesty. He was the ultimate blue-collar player back then. Just seems too PR friendly now for lack of a better word. Please turn the beast mode back on Wayne. :D
This is what I meant by an English bulldog mentality of graft Vs guile/ skill. I think some admire(d) his high work rate and passion while I prefer silky skill and technique.
 
His touch annoys the shit out of me, ping a ball into his feet when he's got a defender on him and he generally fecks it up. He was wank today and his sporadic form gets on my tits, does anyone else generally dislike Wayne Rooney or is it me alone.
 
Does anybody know if players receive their full weekly wage if they don't play?

If so, dropping him might be the kick up the arse he needs, not to mention Stretford will be breathing down his neck.

If not, then we've probably the seen the best of Rooney. He peaked in 2010.
 
This is a very good point, and to be honest I was one of his most vocal critics every time he did something like clapping the ref or getting sent off, and wanted him to cut it out. Unfortunately it looks like I was wrong and since he has cut it out he is not the same player. Agreed, he needs to be more fiery and less restrained.

No I think it's a rather weak excuse to be honest. You can still retain that bit of fire while not acting like a twat and to suggest otherwise implies he is too unintelligent to differentiate that for himself. I don't think anyone is that stupid. He has lost it, that edge that made him special and there is no sign of it coming back. Everything he does is telegraphed. I'm at a loss as to why he is England's captain because his performances do not warrant that at all.
 
I think he has become one of the main culprits at slowing down our attack lately. he picks the ball up and the edge of the box, turns his back to goal, holds onto the ball for too long and then just passes it, given the defenders plenty of time to get into good positions.
 
No I think it's a rather weak excuse to be honest. You can still retain that bit of fire while not acting like a twat and to suggest otherwise implies he is too unintelligent to differentiate that for himself. I don't think anyone is that stupid. He has lost it, that edge that made him special and there is no sign of it coming back. Everything he does is telegraphed. I'm at a loss as to why he is England's captain because his performances do not warrant that at all.
Are you serious? Your not sure he is that stupid? He is more likely to be released back into the wild than win a Nobel prize after retierment mate
 
Does anybody know if players receive their full weekly wage if they don't play?

If so, dropping him might be the kick up the arse he needs, not to mention Stretford will be breathing down his neck.

If not, then we've probably the seen the best of Rooney. He peaked in 2010.
Not sure if serious. If yes, yep, of course they do! That's the worst thing with players on high wages, who hardly play.
 
I think he has become one of the main culprits at slowing down our attack lately. he picks the ball up and the edge of the box, turns his back to goal, holds onto the ball for too long and then just passes it, given the defenders plenty of time to get into good positions.

This is a good example of that

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Not sure if serious. If yes, yep, of course they do! That's the worst thing with players on high wages, who hardly play.

Genuinely wasn't sure. I thought they might be incentivised, i.e. receiving a percentage of their 'full' fee if they don't play, and the whole lot when they do. Just seems a bit of a moral hazard to me. Sign a 5-year contract, big money and then decide not to give a feck, and you still receive your full wage.
 
I think more and more of us are starting to see why Fergie wanted to discard him two seasons ago. Obviously he is still a great proven PL player but the position in which he plays in at one of the best clubs in the world - he doesn't warrant a starting spot anymore.

Anyone trying to argue otherwise is lying to themselves IMO - I think the last time he was great was during the second half of 2010-2011... and in that team he had quick players around him to complement his vision (Hernandez, Nani, Valencia, Park).

And out of Rooney, Mata and RvP - at this point in time you would have to say Rooney is probably the most sellable considering age, and also the fact we just bought Mata six months ago. I wonder what was going through LvG's head when he made Rooney captain - but I wouldn't rule it out if Rooney was now sold sooner rather than later...
 
I think more and more of us are starting to see why Fergie wanted to discard him two seasons ago. Obviously he is still a great proven PL player but the position in which he plays in at one of the best clubs in the world - he doesn't warrant a starting spot anymore.

Anyone trying to argue otherwise is lying to themselves IMO - I think the last time he was great was during the second half of 2010-2011... and in that team he had quick players around him to complement his vision (Hernandez, Nani, Valencia, Park).

And out of Rooney, Mata and RvP - at this point in time you would have to say Rooney is probably the most sellable considering age, and also the fact we just bought Mata six months ago. I wonder what was going through LvG's head when he made Rooney captain - but I wouldn't rule it out if Rooney was now sold sooner rather than later...

When I see him nowadays, reminds me of Berbatov later days. Berba was gladly willing to sit on the bench, riding on that big wage and long contract where none big club was willing to pay. He's still playing a few times for big club thus his name was still famous by association. All that, while continued for being lazy and fecking useless when played, and wouldn't want to learn and adapt to new position as a player.
 
I think he has become one of the main culprits at slowing down our attack lately. he picks the ball up and the edge of the box, turns his back to goal, holds onto the ball for too long and then just passes it, given the defenders plenty of time to get into good positions.

Exactly. But not just him, I feel other players also did the same thing like our centre mid and our wing back. Even Mata joins the party as well. I feel like it's only Di Maria is willing to go forward and forward and always play quick tempo. Januzaj and Welbeck also in the category of what Di Maria is doing right now.
 
This is a good example of that

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What's he supposed to do there? Burnley defended that situation perfectly, had men back in numbers and tracked every run. Obvious thing to do was maintain possession and try to change the angle of attack.

This second by second micro- analysis that is all the rage on here really does end up criticising players for the strangest things.
 
What's he supposed to do there? Burnley defended that situation perfectly, had men back in numbers and tracked every run. Obvious thing to do was maintain possession and try to change the angle of attack.

This second by second micro- analysis that is all the rage on here really does end up criticising players for the strangest things.
Rabona flick it into Di Maria's path?

We really need Rooney and the rest of our forwards to step up, they can't keep missing the kind of chances we missed during the Burnley game if we want to make top 4. All of our front men missed very easy chances during that game which is such a shame. Look at the hunger our rival's strikers show, the likes of Sturridge, Aguero and Costa who do everything in their power to be in the right positions at the right time to score goals and to get at the end of every ball. They also work extremely hard to make runs and create space for others, something which I haven't seen our forwards doing so far this season. Rooney was especially atrocious with his sunday league football touch during these opening 3 games.
 
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What's he supposed to do there? Burnley defended that situation perfectly, had men back in numbers and tracked every run. Obvious thing to do was maintain possession and try to change the angle of attack.

This second by second micro- analysis that is all the rage on here really does end up criticising players for the strangest things.
There was a shit load of space on his left, he could easily turn into that area and do something, oh forgot Rooney hasnt passed a defender in years.
 
What's he supposed to do there? Burnley defended that situation perfectly, had men back in numbers and tracked every run. Obvious thing to do was maintain possession and try to change the angle of attack.

This second by second micro- analysis that is all the rage on here really does end up criticising players for the strangest things.

Turn with the ball and run at the defenders or play it to RVP and maybe set up a one-two or something? You know, something like Ronaldo, Messi, Robben, anyone half decent and positive would actually do.

Hell, I'd be looking to turn and run at people there and I'm shite.
 
What's he supposed to do there? Burnley defended that situation perfectly, had men back in numbers and tracked every run. Obvious thing to do was maintain possession and try to change the angle of attack.

This second by second micro- analysis that is all the rage on here really does end up criticising players for the strangest things.

It's utterly ridiculous. He hasn't played that well so far this season, but no-one in the midfield or forward areas has yet.

You don't need a meaningless 3 second gif, onto which people can project their own opinions about what should or shouldn't have happened, to tell you that.
 
First off, no excusing his shit start. But I am sick of seeing rooney getting so involved in the buildup. He needs to stay in the box where he is at his best.

People expect rooney to simply carry United and England bit he has never been that type of player and Messi Ronaldo robben and zlatan are the closest players that can and even they can't individually carry a team to a world cup or cl final.

When rooney gets involved in the buildup he over thinks everything because his passing and shooting are both amazing. But when he has time to think he fecks up. Makes him look terrible at times.

He is at his best acting on instinct like counter attacking and finishing in the box. Even his one touch passing I the box is good.

I never wanna see him 40 or so yards out looking for options. Someone else needs to be doing this all the time.

We also need the defenders and deep midfielders to move the ball to the forwards faster.
Rooney, rvp and Mata aren't this bad. Our buildup and slow style is making everyone look horrible.
 
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