Yes i saw that that is why he went and inspected the turf to show people he wasn't to blame.
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- Assists
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Yes i saw that that is why he went and inspected the turf to show people he wasn't to blame.
He was poor in this match but what i like at the end is that he ushered the players making sure they went to then away crowd to show them gratitude.
Its amazing how a player can be so good some games and complete toilet in another.
Amazing how many idiots come running out of the woodwork after one bad game, especially that Amar_. Can't wait for him to fail eh?
Thought he linked up well with Herrera, those two seem to have an understanding. Wasn't very good overall but as always not someone who hides which ensures that his poor games stand out more.
Thought he linked up well with Herrera, those two seem to have an understanding. Wasn't very good overall but as always not someone who hides which ensures that his poor games stand out more.
All things considered, he played decent. Good assist for RvP but struggled against Southamptons style of place, as did our whole team.
He wasn't good but still less shit than the midfield. There were a few times when he broke off on a counter but there was no one keeping pace with him and providing him options. The right wing was completely silent, I don't think Valencia crossed the half way line more than 2 or 3 times. At least he didn't hide and still contributed with the assist. Mata on the other hand was completely invisible and Fellaini looked like a pub player today in the first half (Fellaini though can be excused a bad game after being very good in a number of consecutive games).
Yeah it was as if he was the only guy with a semblance of pace in the team. Poor guy would run his arse off at the left and find that no one's kept with him - not even Valencia.
Dissapointing performance considering his recent form, but that freekick that lead to the second goal was a beauty.
Hope he finds back his recent form
Hope he finds back his recent form
I agree. He was ok. Our midfield was so static and deep and he got little support there. His strength isn't to hold the ball up, and there's only so long you can hold the ball up with no support before losing it. Unless you're Robin Van Persie.
I share Rooney's frustration when he punched the ground after he held the ball and drifted out wide, yet Valencia was dithering about by his own corner flag probably, and I don't know where any of the midfield were. We just never pushed on and took the game to them, and we were incredibly fortunate to come away with a win considering how deep we played with no counter attacking threat. Rooney gave the ball away a little cheaply, but I think just about everyone bar RvP and Carrick did.
Or that, in the close-up replay of the corner, it clearly showed the ground under the ball rising up as Rooney planted his foot - hence the mis-kick.
Perhaps an element of him missing AdM, because they do seem to have a great understanding breaking forward together - as AdM himself has said.
He needs to trust his ability a bit more. When he breaks he is always looking for an out ball rather than creating something himself. In that instance, We broke quickly and you cant blame a RB for not being up to support him.
5 goals and 3 assists in 11 appearances. Pretty decent going.
Aye, but he was still shit yesterday.
Why do fanboys get so upset about people calling as it is ?
Perhaps you should quote some posts from people getting upset and disagreeing that he had a poor game, before making accusations like that?
He has this Giggs-like ability that causes him to blame somebody else when he does something shite. I thought he behaved like a child last night. He's captain, and taking tantrums after giving up the ball isn't what we should expect to see.
Great cross for the second goal, however.
Great cross for the second goal, however.
what? Where have I come across as a fanboy and where was I upset at any criticism of him?I thought he was completely justified when he had that run from late and lost the ball with nobody supporting him.
As one of the only players in the team last night with pace, I suspect Valencia had been briefed that he would be expected to support furing counter attacks. So when Wayne was constantly looking towards his wing for support, it never came and he ran out of options. Hence the fraustration.
Thats not me doing my usual Valencia bashing FWIW, I've been very pleased with the job he had been doing at right back these last few weeks.
I think so too. I don't think he was good last night (though not as bad as some are making out), but at least he hasn't got anything to be ashamed about, he didn't hide and kept going throughout.
EDIT: about Valencia, I think he's ok as a fullback (but just ok), really don't think he suits the wing back role at all though.
The whole team was poor. RVP was clinical and that's why we won. Movement was dead, support was dead, passing was dead.
Did he have a shot yesterday?
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There were only three attempts on goal, and two were RVP goals, so don't think he had a single shot, he had a chance on the left when he made space at the edge of the box and it opened up for him but then he just passed it.
Yeah he did that vs City too. Usually has a very good shot on him too.
When he was playing on the left he always cut in and bent the ball into the far post from that position, I have no idea why he didn't hit it. Probably just got sucked into the lack of confidence that was running through the team yesterday.
Yeah, agree with this, at least he kept going and kept trying to get on the ball.
Nope, Van Persie is the only player who did.
First of all I never mentioned anything about anyone disagreeing he had a bad game, but the fact is it clearly gets a few wound up when people do. Apart from RVP who WAS exceptional and DDG the rest including Rooney were poor. Are these types in all player threads defending them to the hilt when they play bad?
After all this is the Rooney thread, right?
It was a high floating cross which Southampton defended abysmally. Godlike, sorry never.
I cant see anywhere in the thread where anyone says it was a poor cross, overreacting again.
Herrera was almost as bad as Rooney, they had an interchange when both were tripping over the ball.
As for NessunDorma he gets himself in knots trying to explain how Rooneys performance was every bodies fault but his. FWIW I know Rooney is a very good player who does play utter shite from time to time.
I think he took an extra touch yesterday and went for the pass instead which was the harder option, not sure if he could have taken that chance first time.
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It was an outstanding piece of passing, high floating, yeah, but not something that it's easy to guess where exactly will it land. Disagree with you there.
Demi-godlike might be more appropriate though.
And I'm hardly upset, more amused.
Rooney had some really poor touches in the first half and he misplaced or made wrong decisions when he had the opportunity to pass it. Herrera and him both missed Young wide open on the left late in the 2nd half when we actually had some possession in Southampton's half.
I thought in the 2nd half he had a better touch and dropped deeper to receive the ball from the midfield and from Young (who in particular was isolated both in possession and defensively and did an admirable job in both regards). When Rooney did receive the ball in forward areas in the 2nd half he was far too isolated with the only available pass usually being back to Herrera or Mata. The run where he carried the ball across the whole field and Valencia was standing in our own half refusing to give him an outlet was symbolic of our entire performance yesterday. The one time we actually worked the ball through and got Young into space Rooney was critical to the move, but the referee pulled it back for a previous foul rather than playing the advantage.
Obviously that was a relatively poor performance from Rooney and he seems far less comfortable and able to play as an out and out striker than he does when he plays behind the strikers. I feel that position gives him more of an ability to roam both in an and out of possession and he helps our build up play a lot. Would have preferred starting Wilson up top, dropping Mata and giving Rooney the berth behind the strikers.
I thought in the 2nd half he had a better touch and dropped deeper to receive the ball from the midfield and from Young (who in particular was isolated both in possession and defensively and did an admirable job in both regards). When Rooney did receive the ball in forward areas in the 2nd half he was far too isolated with the only available pass usually being back to Herrera or Mata. The run where he carried the ball across the whole field and Valencia was standing in our own half refusing to give him an outlet was symbolic of our entire performance yesterday. The one time we actually worked the ball through and got Young into space Rooney was critical to the move, but the referee pulled it back for a previous foul rather than playing the advantage.
Obviously that was a relatively poor performance from Rooney and he seems far less comfortable and able to play as an out and out striker than he does when he plays behind the strikers. I feel that position gives him more of an ability to roam both in an and out of possession and he helps our build up play a lot. Would have preferred starting Wilson up top, dropping Mata and giving Rooney the berth behind the strikers.
Apologies for the "poor cross " reference, my eyesight is as poor as Rooneys performance last night.
When we're able to keep the ball and have players creating then Rooney up front is fine but in games like this I'd much rather see him in the number 10 role.
Apologies for the "poor cross " reference, my eyesight is as poor as Rooneys performance last night.
Mate, you'll see like a hawk this coming Sunday.
Complete bullshit, and my posts are there for everyone to see.
I said he 'Struggled against a Southampton side who didn't give him any space, and are generally good defensively' - because that's exactly what I think happened. Southampton pressed him hard, and he's not always the best in tight spaces. His strengths lie elsewhere. Van Persie, on the other hand, has better close control and hold-up play, and so was able to cope with it more.
I said I doubted his 'crap' performance had 'anything to do with a two day injury lay off', but rather 'It just didn't happen for him within the context of an overall scrappy and disjoined team performance' (and if i'd wanted to make excuses, I could've easily played up the 'he's been injured' aspect, but I didn't, because I don't think it was a factor).
And then I said that 'Sometimes good players have bad games. That's part and parcel of football' - which is just a truism.
So can you please point to the posts where I tie myself 'in knots' trying to explain how 'Rooneys performance was every bodies fault but his', rather than the posts where I simply put his poor performance into the context of what happened in the game, and made general points about the nature of 'form'?
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Disappointing performance and he did seem frustrated which didn't help him at all. Peach of a free kick for RVP's goal though.
That's one thing you can never doubt about Rooney. He could be having a shite game with nothing going for him and then he will pop up with a piece of great play. He's not the most consistent of players game in game out but his ridiculous productivity can never be brought into question.
I'm pretty sure he's saving his best for the Scousers as well. Watch him tear them a new one next match
Exactly. He was poor and almost ineffective in open play, but he contributed to our winning goal with the free kick. He had horrible touches, his control was poor, he was struggling to get others involved other than his good understanding with Herrera, and he was frustrated for much of the second half. However, even though he was bad, he got an assist for the goal with the free kick that van Persie scored from. That's what world class players provide: results even if they're playing poorly.
Thus not being on the pitch to deliver the assist for RVP.......awful post! Most of the team were shit you can't put it all on Rooney alone.
from a dead ball. He was total pony all game. He was actually detrimental in open play.
The opposing team can always be used as a reason a player didn't perform, that's what they are there for to stop the other team from performing. Its a pretty lame excuse for a poor performance and one that i have not seen used for the other poor performers. (although its already been established that my eyes are not very good).
Also I am not sure that Rooney was critizised much worse than some other players.
And the Southampton defence played a big part in both goals.
Bad technique?
Again when other players have bad games do we hear people come out with " he missed so and so not playing"?
No, they just get slaughtered.
Rooney is a top player , fact is he played shite as did the majority and as this is the Rooney thread people will comment on it.
You may look on these as facts, in which case they can be used as an EXCUSE for any player who plays shite.
He played shite, it happens get over it.
And the opposing team usually is a big part of the reason. You can call that 'tying yourself in knots trying to blame anyone but Rooney' if you want, or you can call it a 'lame excuse', I just call it straight forward analysis of his performance and the game.
If you have the match taped, I would advise to go back and watch the close-up replay. The ground under the ball really did rise up when Rooney planted his foot, and you can see it clearly. The commentators remark upon it as well. So no, I don't think it was down to poor technique. It was down to the ball unexpectedly moving at the moment he was about to strike it, leading to a mishit.
Utter bobbins again. Most of our players, especially the high profile ones, have their fan boys and girls, who'll defend them whenever they come in for criticism.
And if anything, it's Rooney who tends to 'get slaughtered' at the first sign of a poor performance or run of form when compared to certain other players. If some of us are over-protective (for want of a better word) it's because plenty of others are overly critical.
No-one is disputing he played shite. Some of us are just offering reasons as to why, beyond 'because he just did'.
Well yes, when good players perform poorly, there are usually reasons beyond 'because they just did' (which seems to be your 'explanation'), and people will expound on those reasons. That's not making excuses. Again, it's called 'analysis'.
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