The qualifiers are a piece of piss for the top seeds.
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Yeah, we saw that against Estonia.
Germans and Dutch also might see it differently.
Germans and Dutch also might see it differently.
In recent years they have been. Playing San Marino and Estonia to qualify for an international tournament is a piece of piss. Comparing Spain and Germany after their recent successes is silly. They'll both qualify easily in the end. Only Holland seem to be struggling but their team looks pretty poor just now. Look at the South American World Cup qualifying. That's actually exciting with all the top teams facing off twice.
If Rooney scored in qualifiers which had the teams the level of the South American one, I'm sure there would be a lot of people ready to discredit that too so he can't win really.
And the one South American team he played against this year in a competitive match, he scored. And was rather unlucky not to have scored more than once.
My point was that 3 world cups later and a euros and he's done nothing. Ten years since he made an impact at the international stage
He's not playing alone.
Two of those tournaments he went into having just recovered from a broken ankle and with zero match fitness. Hardly too surprising.
Judging by United fans on here and on Twitter, you'd think Rooney single handedly takes on opponents at both club and country level.
He's meant to be England's best player.
Even best players don't play alone. Even Ronaldo looks rubbish at the international stage.
No, I'd expect England's best player to do more when it counts, rather than disappoint on the international stage for a decade.
England have a better team than Portugal, who haven't had a striker worth note since Pauleta.
Let's face it Rooney fans.He as peaked. Only down hill from there.
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Wasn't it a poor miss rather than him being unlucky? Can't really remember it properly so could be wrong.
To wr8 it was unlucky, to the objective fan it was a poor miss.
Crap keeper, average defence, no midfield and Ronaldo. What a teamGoodbye, sweet prince. I'll miss your explosions.
Yet, they do so little as well.
Extremely tough header. Was there something more?
No, sorry, I meant, England is a better squad than Portugal, yet still they do so little as well.
Oh, apologies. Yeah England should be doing better. There's no doubt about it. Rooney should be pushing them on in these tournaments but he's often been one of the worse players in the team.
Rooney has been a huge disappointment for England. Anyone who believes the contrary needs their brain seen too. Scoring against San Marino and Estonia doesn't change that.
Despite Rooney not replicating the type of good performances for England he does for United, surely a player who's close to being all time top goalscorer can't be seen as 'a huge disappointment for England'. As a big England fan, of course I'd like to see Rooney performing better, but at the end of the day, goals win you games, and if those goals help England to qualify, despite it being an 'easy' group, I'll be more than happy.
True. Same for van Persie. But I think Rooney will offer more for longer.
I think Rooney would perform better if he wasn't expected to run the whole team, like he does for both club and country. He is being utilized like a playmaker forward, someone who drops back to win possession, as well as try to both create and score. When he's on form, he's fantastic. But far too often he is not, and the entire team suffers as a result. Since he is approaching this thirties, instead of building a team around him, managers should perhaps give him a more specialized role and share responsibility with the rest of the team, instead of having everything go through him as the main outlet for any creativity.
Was reading a stat somewhere. Only 3 players have more goals+assists than Rooney in the last decade. They're Messi, Ronaldo and Zlatan.
Opta counts assists a bit different than me and transfermarkt. I have him on 97 in PL, tm on 94.
Tbf to Rooney, Zlatan's playing in a really shite league and taking the piss with the defences over there.
Opta counts assists a bit different than me and transfermarkt. I have him on 97 in PL, tm on 94.
To be fair to Zlatan, he was already doing that before he moved to Ligue 1. He scored 28 league goals the year before he moved to PSG, so he's more than capable of doing it in a top league and probably still would be.
Very impressive from Rooney though, wouldn't have expected him to be so high.
The fact that a 37 year old unfancied striker like Di Natale has very similar numbers to Rooney would suggest that the stat is slightly misleading.
Before his move to PSG he only hit >20 league goals twice in his career. Both of it in the Serie A, which is arguably a weaker league than the PL. Rooney had two seasons as well, but Zlatan scored nearly twice the amount of league goals since he signed for PSG. I really doubt he can replicate that kind of goalscoring form in a better league.
Di Natale's a superb goalscorer though, has been for a number of years.
I don't understand, it's a good thing to have better numbers than a player who is 8 years older, even more when it's a very good player.
Di Natale had four 20+ goals seasons in a row in Serie A. And that's last four seasons. Dude's good no matter how old he is.
Goals + assists over last 10 years visualized:
This.
Di Natale was a quality goalscorer.
..or it suggests that Di Natale was actually very good, bit under appreciated and a player who to his credit stuck with a team which wasn't great.
Rooney is a fantastic number 9, but not quite world class anywhere else. His quality in the box/finishing vs the rest of his game isn't quite at the extreme ratio of a Chicharito, Pippo Inzaghi or Darren Bent, but it's not a million miles off. His effort levels, vision and long passing separate him from those guys, but he's at their level as a finisher.
He's just miscast in his current role. I honestly think he'd score 10 more a season than Benzema gets at Real as the 9. If Falcao doesn't stay, we should be ecstatic to have Rooney as our main 9 going forward, with Van Persie pushing him in the short-term and hopefully Wilson in the long-term.
We really need a hashtag or something that says NoNewCentralAttackers. It's already claimed the United careers of Kagawa, Welbeck and Chicharito. Really a shame we didn't buy Hazard when we were seemingly in for him.
More likely, this will be the plan going forward:
------------Falcao/Rooney-------
----------Rooney/Mata---Januzaj
---DiMaria-------Herrera--------
-------------Blind-----------------
which looks reasonably balanced. We really need Januzaj to develop into a star or we need to buy a wide attacker with pace and production like Reus.
He's just miscast in his current role. I honestly think he'd score 10 more a season than Benzema gets at Real as the 9. If Falcao doesn't stay, we should be ecstatic to have Rooney as our main 9 going forward, with Van Persie pushing him in the short-term and hopefully Wilson in the long-term.
We really need a hashtag or something that says NoNewCentralAttackers. It's already claimed the United careers of Kagawa, Welbeck and Chicharito. Really a shame we didn't buy Hazard when we were seemingly in for him.
More likely, this will be the plan going forward:
------------Falcao/Rooney-------
----------Rooney/Mata---Januzaj
---DiMaria-------Herrera--------
-------------Blind-----------------
which looks reasonably balanced. We really need Januzaj to develop into a star or we need to buy a wide attacker with pace and production like Reus.
Is Wayne back for the Chelsea game?
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