No agenda at all, eh.
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Miles better than RVP or Falcao up front. Needs to be starting as our lone striker.
TBH I dont think Wilson has been given a chance. I dont even think Falcao has been given a proper chance.
One thing you can see at the game is how much Rooney works. The problem is the lack of movement behind him and how slow the ball comes to him. Its a reason he drops so much to try and get the ball (this was more evident second half though)
Christ that's an awful list. You know what "complete" means, right?
Think you have me confused with someone else btw. I was delighted when we signed Van Persie and thoroughly enjoyed his first season at United. The only difference between you and me is that I can see he's been wank for most of the last two seasons but you're still besotted with him, for some strange reason.
That and your frankly deluded opinions on Rooney.
There is no 'possible exception ' about it.
You probably haven't even watched half of them this season, yes this season, where none of our attacking players have been standing out but of course anything bad said about your golden boy you have to jump right in there and get all defensive about it. Same in the Valencia thread, been the same for years. So wank yet still had a better goal to game ratio than Rooney, yet you bang on about Rooney's stats all the time trying to prove he's up there with Aguero.Charlie Austin,Danny Ings,Wilfried Bony and Berahino over Rooney?
I clearly said they have had better seasons than him.
Pretty basic stuff this, play him up top and play Mata behind him. That's the only way we're reaching top 4 imo. Anything else will see us gracing Europa league of our presence. Hopefully LVG figures that out in time. He'll get us the goals, we all know he bangs em in for fun when he plays there. He also has a good all round game but what I'm more interested in is him putting the ball in the back of the net so we can start collecting enough points for 4th. We should be looking to sign a second striker in the summer to play behind him if we aren't convinced by Mata, and a new manager will do nicely.
Christ. Berahino, ings, Austin, bony, griezmann, Icardi Kane better strikers? You're out of your mind if you think that. Even benzema isn't better but has had a better season since Rooney has been moved around so much. Only costa and aguero are better strikers then him. You can't say this season when he's hardly played as one, but when he has played hes scored anyways more or less.
Even when RvP comes back from injury, and if he has to come back in the team, I'd rather keep Rooney up front and put Van Persie in the #10 role. Who knows, it might actually work a lot better then Rooney behind van Persie.
See stuff like that reveals you to be a bit of a cretin. Sorry but there you go. It has to be said. You know he's played most of the season in central midfield, right?
Last season.
He is the best striker we have, but that doesn't mean he is good enough. For now he'll do but he needs replacing in the next 2 seasons IMO
That period of playing Rooney in midfield is looking increasingly more stupid by the game. Can't believe it took this long to move him forward, LVG & Giggs' biggest mistake so far IMO as its cost us a lot of points over Christmas/Jan period IMO. Does anyone have Rooney's goal scoring stats when he has played up top, can imagine them being good reading.
Has he has lost a fair bit of explosiveness, flair, the ability to consistently fashion chances for himself and the threat on the ball which made defenders back off him before? Yes, no two ways about it and it is natural given that he's not a bustling 22 year old Rooney anymore but rather a more experienced 29 year old.
However, he's still extremely clinical, more composed, retains the same industry without the fieriness, possesses good hold up play and link up play (up front). He might not be the most technical of forwards granted but for all his flaws, he is still ridiculously productive and has so much more going for him.
I doubt if we will ever see the Rooney of 09/10 and 11/12 of old up front again but he's good enough to lead the line for United as it is. Besides there is hardly a viable and better alternative out there is there? If someone like Lewandowski becomes available, then I'd agree with you but what are the chances of that?
According to whoscored.
He has played 7 games as a FC and has 2 goals and 2 assists.
His best position this season has been playing at ACM/10 where hes played 4 games with 4 goals and an assist.
19/40
18/28
You are correct.
Still, would like to mention, completely unrelated to anything, that Rooney also had 21 assists, while van Persie had just three.
Not sure I agree with whoscored there. Off the top of my head he's scored vs the following whilst playing up front: Arsenal theother night then Swansea (H), QPR (h), Arsenal (a), Hull (h), Preston (a), Sunderland (h) x 2
Hardly unrelated, in a discussion about "complete strikers".
I know, I was just teasing Orton. 
He played as #10 at QPR (behind RVP and Falcao), was a CM at Arsenal (Di Maria and RVP played up top) and was some sort of hybrid CM/AM against Hull.
Not how I remember it...
QPR - was up top with RVP with Mata behind until Falcao came off the bench, Rooney had scored by then.
Arsenal away - yes he started deep but RVP then got subbed and Rooney moved up top and scored.
Hull home - he was up top with RVP, maybe playing slightly off RVP but would still classify that as up top.
Yeah, you're right about QPR. My bad.
Not sure about Arsenal or Hull. I seem to remember Wilson and Di Maria still playing up top after RVP went off.
At least he's working hard, getting into good positions to score goals unlike RVP and Falcao.
You are potentially correct re Arsenal, I didn't enjoy that game one bit so probably blocking it from the memory. All I remember was Rooney furthest forward for his goal so thats maybe blinkering my view!
Hull at home I should really know as I was there but was quite hungover, all I remember is that Hull were pathetic !
I've always felt it would work better that way than how we've tried it. Van Persie is better at creating his own chances and has sensational hold up play. He's also imo a bigger threat from range. Rooney will stretch teams better and is a better box striker. He's also got the workrate to give the defenders and keeper a hell of a lot of problems. I'd be like having the Cole-Cantona combination again.
-------------Rooney-----------
Young---Van Persie---DiMaria would be potent imo.
That would be great if we had good enough midfield to back it up.
Rooney lacks the dicipline to play that role and allow RVP the space to do his thing in behind IMO I may be wrong, but Rooney will always drop deep even when playing as a 9.
RVP lacks the mobility to help out with the defensive work required from our team when you play as a 10 (because the midfield is light) This is also why Mata is on the bench
He'll always drop deep but if given clear instructions to lead the line he'll do just that. He just isn't a static striker who stands there all game plus he's always working so gets dragged out of position, but has great mobility so will get back in there. He's done that for the past few games since being reinstated as our striker and he's lead the line well. Dropping deep when he needs to, and staying up when he doesn't need too. Its pretty simple, if he feels the team isn't doing well in terms of build up, he's coming to collect it. If they are, he'll stay up top. Intelligence of movement has always been one of his strongest points imo.
A Carrick-Herrera midfield will do. Not the strongest, imposing of midfields but the league isn't blessed with many great direct through the middle teams so they should cope. Van persie will need to play with more effort to make it work, and I doubt he'd refuse to follow instructions from van gaal. I'd preffer van persie over mata cause he's a bigger goal threat, better in the air and he holds it up better. Mata wouldn't be a factor in a physical battle. We're gonna need goals as our defence has more holes in it than a shower head.
----------------Rooney---------------
Young------VanPiersie------DiMaria
---------Herrera--Carrick----------
Shaw------Rojo--Smalling----Valencia
-----------------DDG-------------------
Could take us to even 3rd place if the effort is there. We saw in the first half against arsenal that even with the limitation of having the talentless Fellaini our team can dominate the play in the middle of the park.
The main problem though is that RVP's workrate from that position would be quite limited. Granted he'd be good on the ball, but he wouldn't be able to dictate the play in behind the striker in the same way players like, say, Silva or Hazard potentially could. You'd be relying on the midfielders to do a lot of work to get the ball to him.
Not every team needs a silva(don't know why you mention hazard as he's playing nothing like someone who can dictate anything)
We'd play outside in, rather than inside out. By that I mean the midfielders should get the ball to the wide men, and they'd find van persie instead of playing through van persie unless we're in transition where we could dump it into van persie and he'd turn and pass it to either young, di maria or Rooney.
Fully agreed. It's always been very clear that he only drops deeper when the team is playing shit and he can't get the ball. If everything behind him is going smooth he can stay up top.
If you have 30 minutes of spare time, all his goals for United! Saw it off reddit.
4 goals in 5 games since moving back up top I think, stop dicking him around and play him as the center forward with mata in behind him. The way he brings everyone into play, not to mention his workrate is phenomenal.
Based on the opinions posted in this thread (and many others).
He's showing the kind of form that made him a beast in the 2009/10 season. Get Mata in behind to provide service and we are on to a winner.
<3 I didn't really have 30 minutes, but I watched the whole thing anyway. He's still the heartbeat of the team.
Would anyone here actually swap him for any other striker in the league?
The only ones that cross my mind would be RVP 13/14 or an injury free Aguero. But that's like saying I'd like a Rooney with a better bottom level of performance who never tried to pull off the 12/13 contract shenanigans.
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