Yeah, I mean people rave about his pass for the Van Persie volley in the title winning game against Villa. But they've just fallen for the English media's hype. Anyone who knows anything about football will tell you that it was Kagawa's 3 yard sideways pass to Rooney that *really* made the play.
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Yeah, I mean people rave about his pass for the Van Persie volley in the title winning game against Villa. But they've just fallen for the English media's hype. Anyone who knows anything about football will tell you that it was Kagawa's 3 yard sideways pass to Rooney that *really* made the play.
i was new to this message board a year or so ago, and when i was reading a steady stream of that sort of thing about kagawa i honestly questioned if i really knew anything about football at all.
This is why all these formations with him as a #9 are not going to happen, hopefully though we will see him return to the front 4 once we get in CM's that LvG rates.
Maybe LvG has asked Rooney to do this until he can get the midfield sorted in the summer and Rooney, as Captain, has chosen to put the team before himself as he has in the past.
Must be incredibly frustrating tearing in on Charlton's record and basically having his goal threat colossally reduced for the foreseeable future.
Personally I would rather have Bobby as our record scorer than Rooney.
Louis van Gaal says he plays there because he offers more balance in the 8 role, his competitors are Fellaini and Herrera, Louis van Gaal probably feels he is a little more suited to what he wants than Herrera and feels Fellaini's best work is in the final third (a sort of super sub for now anyway).
I can see his point, when a player is not played (in this case Herrera) the caf tends to be of the opinion that player will be our saviour. In the diamond at least the 8 role is important in terms of helping Blind out, the 10 might be too far forward to come back immediately once we lose possession, perhaps Louis needs somebody not so optimistic as Herrera and to be honest defensively I can't have complaints since Rooney has been there.
I think if the manager is still in a job come this summer then he will buy a proper 8 or two and play Rooney as a striker.
I also would like to see classic 442 if he wants to play Rooney in the middle because he loves the ball to the flanks therefore having Young / Januzaj and Angel di Maria in addition to overlapping full backs will get more out of him.
That said if we go classic 442 then Herrera might as well be the 8 because Januzaj and Di Maria will be wide midfielders who will come back to defend and also unlike the diamond the full backs do not need to go so high up the pitch so soon therefore the 8 doesn't need to be as positionally disciplined.
I can see his point, when a player is not played (in this case Herrera) the caf tends to be of the opinion that player will be our saviour. In the diamond at least the 8 role is important in terms of helping Blind out, the 10 might be too far forward to come back immediately once we lose possession, perhaps Louis needs somebody not so optimistic as Herrera and to be honest defensively I can't have complaints since Rooney has been there.
I think if the manager is still in a job come this summer then he will buy a proper 8 or two and play Rooney as a striker.
I also would like to see classic 442 if he wants to play Rooney in the middle because he loves the ball to the flanks therefore having Young / Januzaj and Angel di Maria in addition to overlapping full backs will get more out of him.
That said if we go classic 442 then Herrera might as well be the 8 because Januzaj and Di Maria will be wide midfielders who will come back to defend and also unlike the diamond the full backs do not need to go so high up the pitch so soon therefore the 8 doesn't need to be as positionally disciplined.
Nice sentiment, but the team is suffering along with Rooney during this bizarre behaviour from Van Gaal. It's not as if Rooney's a good midfielder who wants to play as a striker - he's a very good striker who's being wasted in midfield at the expense of proper midfielders...
Why? Wouldn't you rather watch history being made in your own lifetime than simply paying lip service to a time that you (probably) didn't even experience?
Rooney's been a great player for us and proven during the Moyes and Van Gaal stints that he's far from the spoilt brat Fergie tried to paint him as.
He's shown far more loyalty during times of genuine crisis than many players who are regarded as greats - like Ronaldo, for example, who fecked off after the classless flirting with Real Madrid. Or Keane, who's bitterness and public disrespect of the club is ever-present.
Rooney's shown his true colours during this rough patch and I'd love to see him make history and become our greatest ever goal scorer.
The team should be built around him imo, and instead he's playing out of position so that lesser players who've been with the club for a fraction of the time he's been here can enjoy starts in his position.
Well that's an opinion, but clearly LvG doesn't see anything in Fellaini or Herrera to trust them in CM and prefers Rooney there, whether he's wrong or not will be evident in time.
Or maybe he realised he isn't getting similar money elsewhere and he won't get another club that'll put up with his antics and suck his cock when he needs it like we did last year.
Which is odd because when Falcao and Rooney were both injured Fellaini played in CM against Chelsea and shepherded Fabregas out of the game for 90 mins - arguably our greatest midfield performance (given the opposition) this season.
We looked a balanced side in that game with Fellaini in CM and RvP leading the line and I find very difficult to believe that Van Gaal can't recall this.
I wouldn't say that it's 'an opinion' that playing Rooney in midfield and two out of form number 9s up top is hurting the whole team - I'd say it's pretty much a given.
Didn't Chelsea make a bid for Rooney the summer that Moyes took over?
Rooney could go to a lot of top sides and walk into the team as a 2nd striker. We're lucky to have him.
Louis van Gaal said after the game against Burnley that Rooney gives our midfield more balance. That's his opinion, not mine, it's his reasoning.
You do realise most of our premier league opposition aren't Chelsea? Fellaini will perform a specialist role however Louis van Gaal prefers Rooney's distribution in most games and also he prefers Rooney to Fellaini in the diamond.
Absolute fact. Crazy to me how many people on here don't realise how lucky we are.
That was one game though, Fellaini had other games afterwards that were more clunky and less fluid, my guess is out of him and Rooney, LvG prefers Rooney's mobility and engine.
I meant it was an opinion that the other options in midfield would be better, they might well be and I think RvP and Falcao are absolutely woeful up top, but I can see where LvG feels more secure with Rooney workhorsing in midfield than with the other two options. The thing I don't get is why he doesn't play Mata up top with one of the strikers, he's no slower than either and could feed the 9 in, where as RvP and Falcao are just in each others way.
He also likes Rooney's long passing, his ability to switch play.
And on your point regarding Mata, if he were to drop Falcao and I think Falcao has given him enough reason to do so, then Mata should just play as a 10 with Young / Januzaj and Angel on the flanks.
Mata as a false 9? Personally I'd rather give Wilson a shot with Mata as the #10 behind him.
We need to squeeze every point we can in this race for top four, he is probably better off getting his run next season, as for now RVP might perform better as the lone striker and should be given a game or two in that role first. If he fails then Rooney.
RVP can still raise his game for the big matches, his experience will be vital during that mad run which is coming up after the next three games, he has it in him to be a match winner and also he should be able to bring others into play. I'm not sure giving Wilson his run when we have the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, City etc. around the corner is the best timing.
MEN - don't they literally make stuff up?
Bit of a rubbish article. Essentially reads like it was written by one of the posters on here.
Yep.
Makes sense though. He's never fit with any of his striking partners, always looked better up top on his own in 09/10. RVP and Falcao are done and Wilson isn't fully ready yet.
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I've always thought that one of Rooney's best qualities has been his ability to link up well with anyone you throw him with. Hernandez, Welbeck, Tevez, Ronaldo, even Van Nistelrooy on certain occassion and most particularly Saga, have all struck up a decent partnership with him on the field.
So initially he didn't rate Rooney as striker and now he thinks he's our best striker?
Honestly fed up of his bullshit.
From reading some of the quotes coming from Van Gaal, it seems that once we get an all rounded box to box midfielder, Rooney may get played up top.
I'm sure he'll find some ridiculous reason why he can't put him up front. Probably play him at left back or something and claim he needs to be there.
Well I'm comforted by the knowledge that the manager hasn't cracked.
Ye. Balance and all that.
So Louis van Gaal said "Rooney is maybe the best striker" when asked if he isn't good enough for that position but explained he needs his qualities in midfield which shows how highly he rates Rooney and hints once he gets an 8 that can offer what he wants then Rooney will be moved up top.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31477919
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31477919
Yeah he's all over the place. In some ways LVG can seem very honest and straight talking but then at other times it seems like he's most interested in portraying his own decisions in the best possible light, rather than admitting he made a mistake.
I missed few last pages, so sorry if anybody else already asked this, but why Rooney isn't putting transfer request? The last time he played 2 games in central midfield two years ago his agent and PR guys from media went on blabbing on how he is unhappy to play there, how he wants to play as a striker, so that was the reason hehe wanted out of the club. So, why isn't he expressing himself as unhappy, and why he isn't asking for transfer request this time?
More than likely it wasn't the real reason back then, which was obvious since he hardly played in midfield back then.
I do think he offers more to our midfield than some of the midfielders we have available. But at the same time, he's offers more than our strikers are right now.
However, he's an absolute engine in midfield and it's just a precaution playing him there at the moment. In due time he'll be back up front. I f@&£ing love the guy though, the things he does for us...
However, he's an absolute engine in midfield and it's just a precaution playing him there at the moment. In due time he'll be back up front. I f@&£ing love the guy though, the things he does for us...
I don't see what everyone is complaining about.
He thinks Rooney is our best striker, I don't think anyone can argue with that, but he also feels he offers something in midfield that is much needed and that no other player he has availiable currently offers.
He thinks Rooney is our best striker, I don't think anyone can argue with that, but he also feels he offers something in midfield that is much needed and that no other player he has availiable currently offers.
That is what people are complaining about, because maybe they disagree.
Because that thing he thinks Rooney offers in midfield that no one else can, is simply a figment of his imagination. We all know as fans that Rooney in midfield just isn't working at all.
I don't particularly like him there myself but, especially without Carrick, we don't have anyone with his range of passing which is also combined with physical power, solid defensive contribution and pace on the counter.
As I said in another thread, Herrera (who I think is obviously superior) offers very different things to Rooney. His short passing game is superior, as is his eye for a through ball but he doesn't switch the play quickly like Rooney does and he struggles to win the physical battle.
There's no denying they are different players and it's those differences that Van Gaal currently looks to employ.
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