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Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Hayley says he is probably staying.
What are you talking about?
Who do you support? That's madness. What we all want to see is him button it, and realize these are his peak years. He needs to be fit and playing and scoring goals. He's BEEN great here. He can BE great again for United.One season with disruption and you're saying all this? People need a bit of perspective. Not everyone thinks the same. Are you suggesting he's only got bored after 9/10 years? I think people have a sense of what the issues may be and being bored ain't one of them.
He, yeah - that is possible, of course. Moyes shows up at the presser today and simply says that Rooney is staying, will sign an extension of some kind, nothing to see here, move on. That would be rather amusing, given all the speculation and drama.
Perhaps big Dave and Rooney reached an agreement weeks ago, informally. There has been a hell of a lot of smoke, though.
Must have been, Ive never heard SAF say that one. Do you have any links to SAF saying that at all?
Stack, did you actually read my posts properly?
I never said SAF talked about playing 4-2-3-1 but if you were awake, you'd know SAF favoured that formation last season.With all the talk of him going to Chelsea, would you mind a Mata plus cash deal?
Not that I don't rate Rooney, but if he really wants to go (can't take anymore of his shit behaviour); and the Mata reports that he is on the market are true. I really think we could take a world class player, and younger, in Mata. Having Mata playing on the wing with Kagara in the middle and RVP upfront is mouth watering.
He just said that SAF never said that.
Would have taken a swap with Mata but I don't think Rooney will be leaving in this window.
Maybe when Vidic gets back from Wimbledon he could be leaving THROUGH a window...........
So how come everybody is reporting that Rooney is staynig, and the odds have gone to something like 1/9, but it's hardly got a mention in this thread?
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/412647/Wayne-Rooney-will-be-staying
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/412647/Wayne-Rooney-will-be-staying
Hope that is correct and he signs new deal and buckles down but my gut feeling is he'll stay another season and the engineer a move to either Real or Barca at a cut price deal!
I can't see him ending his career at United but getting him to sign an extension will only benefit us in the future.
I say it again: our best player is going nowhere. End of.
Well, that's good news for your best player, but what about Rooney?
Because most in here want him sold so are probably hoping it isn't true?
As long as his lifestyle is improved (if the rumours were true about his drinking), then I'll be thrilled if he stayed. I understand some/many United fans never/barely like Rooney but I've always been fond of the guy. I always think he's a misunderstood individual. He's not clever at all, but it annoyed me that people just used that against him. It's not his fault that he lacked the education - OR that he sacrificed it just so he can concentrate on his football and becoming the player he is today.
He can be a twat at times I admit. The 2010 saga was a pain in my backside, but I was begging for him to stay because I don't think we could have survived without him. I know some will have different views on his current "request to leave", but I don't think it was about the money. I think, if it's true that he wanted to leave, it was all down to him not playing the game time HE believed he deserved. A childish act, but one that I can forgive. I may be more lenient than others in this case.
In my opinion, he's acted professionally throughout this (after the Swansea/West Brom games). Fergie told him to go think about it, and it's clearly what he's been doing. He hasn't given a single comment on it to anyone. I respect that.
Finally, we're a better team with Rooney than without. Last season was probably his "worst" for the club in terms of performance but he still managed to show some impressive returns at the end of it. I think because we're so used to Rooney being our main man season after season, after Ronaldo's departure anyway, it was a complete shock for us to see him below par consistently.
Fresh start with a new manager will probably do the world of good for him. Moyes demands fitness and fight - Rooney won't be around for long if he won't show that. Moyes could easily show him the door, but I think he'd like to manage a more mature Rooney than the one that left Everton 9 years ago.
With the team we have going at the moment, I think Rooney and RVP can spearhead a fantastic campaign next season up front.
He can be a twat at times I admit. The 2010 saga was a pain in my backside, but I was begging for him to stay because I don't think we could have survived without him. I know some will have different views on his current "request to leave", but I don't think it was about the money. I think, if it's true that he wanted to leave, it was all down to him not playing the game time HE believed he deserved. A childish act, but one that I can forgive. I may be more lenient than others in this case.
In my opinion, he's acted professionally throughout this (after the Swansea/West Brom games). Fergie told him to go think about it, and it's clearly what he's been doing. He hasn't given a single comment on it to anyone. I respect that.
Finally, we're a better team with Rooney than without. Last season was probably his "worst" for the club in terms of performance but he still managed to show some impressive returns at the end of it. I think because we're so used to Rooney being our main man season after season, after Ronaldo's departure anyway, it was a complete shock for us to see him below par consistently.
Fresh start with a new manager will probably do the world of good for him. Moyes demands fitness and fight - Rooney won't be around for long if he won't show that. Moyes could easily show him the door, but I think he'd like to manage a more mature Rooney than the one that left Everton 9 years ago.
With the team we have going at the moment, I think Rooney and RVP can spearhead a fantastic campaign next season up front.
Because no-one is surprised. There's an air of inevitability about it because anyone with intelligence realises that Rooney's 'concerns' are just posturing - nobody should be surprised if this episode turns out to be another example of Rooney & Stretford chancing their arms. Funny how often Rooney's concerns coincide with the hope of maintaining or improving his current wage-level.
So another chunky contract for him I guess, disappointing.
If he stays we have to tie him down. We can't afford to lose him for nothing, and in hindsight, despite being very open to the idea of him leaving I don't think it'd be beneficial to anyone other than someone who bought him.
Nail on head.
Rooney's too daft to realize he's unlikely to get it better than at United and we're never going to get the fair fee for him.
Every player has the right to try to get the best deal - it's their careers, after all, and who wants a return to the days when players' contracts gave club chairmen all the authority & control over people's livelihoods? My problem with Wayne's negotiation methods is this: his actual form is the last thing on his list of reasons why he should be paid top-dollar; class may well be permanent but we ideally want regular first-team starters to be in fine form.
I think moving forwards with Kagawa as a '10 would be more beneficial to us, I'm just sick of Rooney in general, we all gave him more than enough leeway and only 2 years on he starts up again.
That's true. Van Persie doesn't have any intention to leave.
Read the previous page where you will find that very story being referenced, also puts some of the replies since into a little context.
Hold on, they're going to hang Fergie out to dry according to the Express article.
Rooney's not going to acknowledge any of hits faults here is he? Oh and he and friend Stretford squeeze some more cash out of the club too no doubt. Like as not Kagawa Hernandez e.t.c. will still be seen as on an equal footing with Wayne.
Today's press conference may yet dispel such assumptions but otherwise, this is a mistake.
Rooney's not going to acknowledge any of hits faults here is he? Oh and he and friend Stretford squeeze some more cash out of the club too no doubt. Like as not Kagawa Hernandez e.t.c. will still be seen as on an equal footing with Wayne.
Today's press conference may yet dispel such assumptions but otherwise, this is a mistake.
I think hang him out to dry is a bit dramatic. But I do think that unless they actually give us a clear and plausible explanation for what actually did happen, nobody will believe a word of what Rooney says. Just "Oh, that didn't acutally happen" won't cut the mustard.
I don't think anyone will know what happened until Fergie or Rooney release an autobiography.
I hope we don't offer him a pay-rise, BUT IF WE DO surely that says that the club desperately want to keep him at United? Compared to the club, we know a nice-sweet feck all about the on-goings of our players. The papers know feck all too. But we seem to be lapping the stories they share about Rooney.
If the club thought Rooney was driving himself to an early grave or ruining his career with a bad lifestyle, then we wouldn't offer him a new contract. It's that fecking easy.
If the club thought Rooney was driving himself to an early grave or ruining his career with a bad lifestyle, then we wouldn't offer him a new contract. It's that fecking easy.
While you obviously cant believe all you read in the papers, nor what supposed experts churn out - there is generally a grain of truth. Its not difficult for journo's with connections to get information which can be failry relaible. Especially in the days when agents and "sources close to the player" like to leak information to serve their own purpose.
In this case, there is clearly an issue of some kind. Sir Alex said himself that a fully fit Wayne Rooney plays week in, week out (or something similar). He was seemingly trying to make a point, and Rooney missed the last game when he clearly wasnt injured.
I personally cant see him getting an increase on what he earns. I recall Fergie saying at the time he last asked for a move that they'd offered him a deal to make him "the best paid player in the PL" so he's clearly on big bucks. He had a good but not outstanding season last year and at his age he's not likely to get any better. The number 10 role can be his but it can aslo be Kagawa's if he shows form - he's no longer the irreplacable player he was. As such, the club might think they can get better value for money elsewhere.
He wont get it at Arsenal, I cant see how he can command it at Chelsea and I dont think he'll move abroad. He needs to think very carefully what's best for his career - a wrong move now and he'll be remembered for being the player who made a disasterous move and was never the same.
I think perhaps he's had a reality check - and it might result in a "change of heart".
Footballers surround themselves with "yes men", and agents who will be constantly preening their egos. I suspect Wayne thought that once he might be on the move the worlds top clubs would be banging his door down to sign him and he'd either get a lucrative move to a superstar side, or another increase at United and guarantees of being picked.
It seems that hasnt happened, his options are now limited and he might be realising he's maybe not quite the hot property he thinks he is.
And we already forgave him for pulling that garbage once, to do so again just irritates me, especially when I think we could grow as a team more successfully without him. If he wants to show United fans he's woke up he can start by getting rid of that piece of trash agent he's had attached to his crotch for the last decade.
Its more then a mistake, its disgusting. Never have the club bent over backwards like this for anyone player.
If he gets a new contract, unless of vastly reduced wages, then we're a joke. Simple as that.
Provided Mata was happy to stay in the PL and not return to Spain, yeah i'd have wanted the club to look into a swap deal like that.
Many on here said that they couldn't countenance selling Rooney to a domestic rival however if you are getting one of the league's best players as part of the transfer it would put it in a quite different light.
I have no idea what will happen, but what I would like to see happen is the following:
Roo happily remains a United man.
Roo improves his fitness.
Okay, noncontroversial stuff but if you're Roo aren't you already incredibly wealthy and always in the public eye? If you're Roo and you choose to stay with United you'll continue to vacuum obscene riches and remaining the public eye. And if you work yourself into peak physical condition you'll hit unbelievable form, possibly doing lifting your national team to a knockout game in the World Cup in 2014.
Easy stuff, Wayne. Just do it.
Roo happily remains a United man.
Roo improves his fitness.
Okay, noncontroversial stuff but if you're Roo aren't you already incredibly wealthy and always in the public eye? If you're Roo and you choose to stay with United you'll continue to vacuum obscene riches and remaining the public eye. And if you work yourself into peak physical condition you'll hit unbelievable form, possibly doing lifting your national team to a knockout game in the World Cup in 2014.
Easy stuff, Wayne. Just do it.
He still has two years to go on his contract so he won't take a pay cut, I would leave him on the same wage but add another another year onto his contract but knowing his agent he will probably come out of this with another pay rise.
Does he deserve to be the highest paid player at the club any longer, or even close to it?
It's not all that reflective of the Rooney 2013 model or good business.
If Rooney stays I am sure the fans will let him know how they feel next season, then he will want to leave as he is being persecuted.
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