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Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I'm just watching the United vs. Liverpool game in the 07/08 season when we won 3-0. feck me was Rooney sharp in that game. Beating his players, great change of speed and acceleration.
Somewhere on the line he really lost a lot of that.
Somewhere on the line he really lost a lot of that.
Has anyone else seen the news? Rooney was just arrested outside SAF's house for taking a shit in his front garden. As the police dragged him into the van he sobbed and shouted "I hate you, you ruined my life!"
Purely in playing terms, I can't help but think his strength and his weakness is his flexibility.
He's a good striker, but not as good as RvP. He's a good number 10, but not as good as an Ozil, or maybe even Kagawa (though we still haven't seen enough of him to know for sure) and he doesn't have the weapons of Giggs (or a Kaka or an Iniesta) to become exceptional in the role. He's a good winger, but not as good as in form Nani or Valencia or even Young, never mind the ones who play the wide forward role like a Ronaldo. As a worker forward - Welbeck's got that, Rooney has more dozy days.
And yet, I can't think of any club in the world who wouldn't be better off having him in their squad, if not as an automatic choice in their first XI. Yes, even Barca, for all their talent would benefit from a Rooney in the ranks. A reliable 20+ a season goalscorer who can play anywhere and who won't kick up a fuss about being second fiddle? Gold dust, surely.
We'll miss something if he goes, but if he goes, then I'll say thanks and goodbye. I just can't psych myself up to begging him to stay - but then I've never done that with any player and he's just another player.
He's a good striker, but not as good as RvP. He's a good number 10, but not as good as an Ozil, or maybe even Kagawa (though we still haven't seen enough of him to know for sure) and he doesn't have the weapons of Giggs (or a Kaka or an Iniesta) to become exceptional in the role. He's a good winger, but not as good as in form Nani or Valencia or even Young, never mind the ones who play the wide forward role like a Ronaldo. As a worker forward - Welbeck's got that, Rooney has more dozy days.
And yet, I can't think of any club in the world who wouldn't be better off having him in their squad, if not as an automatic choice in their first XI. Yes, even Barca, for all their talent would benefit from a Rooney in the ranks. A reliable 20+ a season goalscorer who can play anywhere and who won't kick up a fuss about being second fiddle? Gold dust, surely.
We'll miss something if he goes, but if he goes, then I'll say thanks and goodbye. I just can't psych myself up to begging him to stay - but then I've never done that with any player and he's just another player.
To be fair you can make a case that handing in a transfer request is tantamount to kicking up a fuss.
You make a good point in the para above though. There are better players in each position, but few who can do them all to the level he can.
If he wants to go let him, we will move on and he will regret his decision! Look it's not like when we lost the sensational ruud or the charismatic cantona!
He's also the most complete footballer in the world today. Our selfish boss has been brooding on personal revenge ever since Our Wayne was born & has relished denying The White Pelé even a meagre bowl of gruel (aiding the perennial decline of the club, which began when it was formed). SAF has hung around United like a bad smell for a mere twenty-seven years. Meanwhile, our hero (who's given us an enormous NINE-years' unstinting & selfless service, playing in every position & losing 100lbs in the process) has been cast out into the snow as Fergie high-fives inscrutable sidekick Mike Phelan.
If SAF couldn't control him then what hope is there for any other manager?
I'd say SAF has never forgotten Rooney's first transfer request, and realised then, that the boy might be thinking he's bigger than the club. Massive mistake, we all know what happens when a player gets too big for his boots. However, like he has done with star players from time to time, SAF was entirely professional and realised that Rooney just needed an arm around the shoulder and a bit of good advice.
Problem solved, life goes on as normal. Forward on til a few weeks ago, for footballing reasons the manager has shunted Rooney about a bit and used a bit of squad rotation, Rooney unhappy with this thinks it may be a vendetta from SAF and questions his own importance to the team and his roll in it, offering to leave if he isn't seen as a key player anymore.
I honestly think that is what's happened, and I don't see what's wrong with it, from either perspective.
I think Moyes will convince him he's a key player and offer him a fresh start. If he does so, so then should we, IMO.
Problem solved, life goes on as normal. Forward on til a few weeks ago, for footballing reasons the manager has shunted Rooney about a bit and used a bit of squad rotation, Rooney unhappy with this thinks it may be a vendetta from SAF and questions his own importance to the team and his roll in it, offering to leave if he isn't seen as a key player anymore.
I honestly think that is what's happened, and I don't see what's wrong with it, from either perspective.
I think Moyes will convince him he's a key player and offer him a fresh start. If he does so, so then should we, IMO.
Four words: Tony Pulis naked headbutt.
I looked at the last few pages of this thread to see if there had been any developments or statements
there's some bullshit on this forum and the last few pages have been rich in it!
there's some bullshit on this forum and the last few pages have been rich in it!
Yes but what about all the turning up unfit stuff? Weren't there other incidences of a lack of professionalism?
If he does stay it's going to be pretty awkward, the majority of fans probably won't forgive him.
If I had to bet I'd say this as well.
A few goals and good performances next year and most won't even remember it.
Not all fans take in all the press BS and hype. They just watch the games, and if he's performing won't care a jot.
Fergie was a pragmatist. He realised although what Rooney did was worthy of a kicking out, as the main player of the time, he couldn't possibly do that.
Instead he geniusly called Rooney's bluff, came out to the press, and quickly put all the impetus on Rooney and his camp. Contract signed, and we moved on.
However, Fergie didn't allow himself to be caught short again and that's where VP and Kagawa came in, and made Rooney vulnerable.
Now, he's not the main man, so it's a different ball game.
However, I expect Moyes to come in and sweeten it, probably by the simple relaying that he'll be a key player, and play in his right position.
And if not we'll geta big fee, and have Kagawa ready to go.
*Obviously I have no insight into or knowledge of the relationship between SAF/Rooney*
Van Persie clearly became Fergie's darling as soon as he got to United. I wonder if Fergie sees van Persie as the perfect professional and - all conjecture - is frustrated that Rooney isn't quite at the level he envisaged for him back when Rooney first joined. And I think it's as much to do with professionalism as it is on pitch performances. It's as if Fergie is disappointed that after all the work he did with Rooney from a young age, he still doesn't quite "get" how a Manchester United player behaves, whereas RVP has come in straight away and bought into the culture completely. I think they have had a father/son bond for a lot of the time they've worked together, but the last few years it's been more the disappointed father vs. stubborn son act (reminds me of Fergie with Beckham, actually). And now the father sees in RVP the son he always wanted.
Van Persie clearly became Fergie's darling as soon as he got to United. I wonder if Fergie sees van Persie as the perfect professional and - all conjecture - is frustrated that Rooney isn't quite at the level he envisaged for him back when Rooney first joined. And I think it's as much to do with professionalism as it is on pitch performances. It's as if Fergie is disappointed that after all the work he did with Rooney from a young age, he still doesn't quite "get" how a Manchester United player behaves, whereas RVP has come in straight away and bought into the culture completely. I think they have had a father/son bond for a lot of the time they've worked together, but the last few years it's been more the disappointed father vs. stubborn son act (reminds me of Fergie with Beckham, actually). And now the father sees in RVP the son he always wanted.
I was surprised to hear him getting booed on Sunday and the YSB chants at the parade, a lot of supporters hate him at the moment and it's going to be a lot harder to win them around as it's the second time he has done this now.
Rightly so.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
Should Moyes answer be any different to that of Fergie's? If the reasons have not changed and they would be just as valid 2013/14, why should we suppose that anything significant has altered in Wayne's mindset long term?
You say that he will be offered a fresh start, considering the present state of his contract that either means the current one is extended or he is offered a new one, can Rooney be deserving of equal or even better terms in light of this season? Surely not.
If he stays, he's at least the new scapegoat. Or spacegoat.
By the way the bit I agree with is how the situation arose. As to whether he'll stay, I really have no idea. But the fact SAF made it public surely doesn't bode well for him staying.
Somewhere not so far away, Nani and Valencia are letting out a sigh of relief, knowing their scapegoat days are over for United.
Or, it's quite the opposite. The story was already out there, there was no point denying it anymore. Maybe make it official, see the response and get Rooney to realise how silly it all is.
I just don't think there's too much in it. Fergie subbed Rooney several times in a row probably to get him fired up again. From some reason, rather than do that, Rooney struggled to pick himself up and instead ended up asking for a transfer or asking if maybe it's time for him to go. Maybe it was a bit childish, maybe he didn't know how to handle a situation he hasn't known yet. But I don't think it's in any way comparable with 2010, and I don't actually think it's very serious. I very much expect he'll stay and be happy to do so.
I think he'll stay too. Moyes will reassure him and it'll be like a fresh start. He's strong enough that he won't give a feck about booing for the first few weeks.
I hope so.
Have you been following this thread this year?
He'll stay. He never knew SAF was retiring
I think so too. All that nonsense with the book and libel claim has been resolved. Moyes knows Rooney's worth and will convince him to stay. Whether or not he'll be forgiven, if that's the right word, by the fans for his perceived lack of respect for Fergie and the club, remains to be seen. I can't recall ever a United player being booed by his own supporters at a trophy ceremony. You've really got to feck things up royally for that to happen.
Especially when Nani's days are over at United anyway!
I've tried to be objective about the subject but, like so many, I feel I've failed badly.
I've got a sneaking feeling that a brief search would find me angrily lambasting Wayne a couple of years ago for the things I'm excusing him for now.
I'd be happy to sell him to Arsenal, should he so heavily have his heart set on leaving.
Arsenal's new sponsorship deal with Puma will bring them £30m a year so i gather, they'd probably have to commit a third of that to Rooney's wages at least.
If Spurs beat them to the CL at the weekend the rumour will be dead in the water regardless.
If Spurs beat them to the CL at the weekend the rumour will be dead in the water regardless.
I highly doubt he is going to go to Arsenal even if they make the Champions League and even if they can afford his wages. There is just no way. It is clearly a step down and he is looking for one maybe two last big contracts. He is not going to get it at Arsenal. Even Chelsea is a step down from us but at least they are competing for the title or will be next season. And this 'transfer kitty' that Wenger and Arsenal keep promising has been going on for almost 3-4 seasons now and nothing has materialized.
he will stay , probably has no real offers outside the prem and we don't sell to rivals .(city or chelsea)
If Chelsea offered us enough and we had a ready use for the money i think we'd consider it. PSG would be more to our liking of course.
It's all well and good people saying he'll stay but that is not a sentiment without cost, 25-37 million or so at current levels [assuming either an additional two or three years on the existing terms].
It's all well and good people saying he'll stay but that is not a sentiment without cost, 25-37 million or so at current levels [assuming either an additional two or three years on the existing terms].
No way will we sign Rooney. If we can actually afford his wages then I will be livid it wasn't offered to RVP last season.
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