his first touch is a bit off because he's slightly lacking in form and confidence (something we know from past experience it only takes a goal to change) - there's no long-term cause for concern there at all. and while you may well be debating whether Rooney is world-class, there are those in here who seemingly would have you believe Wayne is barely fit to lace Dirk Kuyt's boots.
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his first touch is a bit off because he's slightly lacking in form and confidence (something we know from past experience it only takes a goal to change) - there's no long-term cause for concern there at all. and while you may well be debating whether Rooney is world-class, there are those in here who seemingly would have you believe Wayne is barely fit to lace Dirk Kuyt's boots.
he's a fantastic player.
you pric*k you don't still get it do you. The rooneyloving continues only as MU are winning. If MU started losing games and rooney was culpable of missing chances - would you come on and praise rooney??
Joe Cole is showing rooney up bigtime - he has the skills, the passes and the goalthreat - this is what is expected from rooney! So i don't understand all this tactical bu*LL about him being out of position etc IF Cole can perform on a world-class level on the left-wing then so should rooney!
Joe Cole is showing rooney up bigtime - he has the skills, the passes and the goalthreat - this is what is expected from rooney! So i don't understand all this tactical bu*LL about him being out of position etc IF Cole can perform on a world-class level on the left-wing then so should rooney!
By your admission - you should really watch Portugal more before commenting on cr7 i.e qualifiers to wc2006, wc2006 and qualifiers to eu2008. Ronaldo was on fire! This on top of his awesome form in the EPL.
PS Your Kaka is 2 years older than cr7, he was not as good as cr7 at 22 nor has he led his country to a final at age of 18 (euro 2004). Even Ronaldinho at his peak was superior to Kaka - in all sense and that sums up Kaka.
PS Your Kaka is 2 years older than cr7, he was not as good as cr7 at 22 nor has he led his country to a final at age of 18 (euro 2004). Even Ronaldinho at his peak was superior to Kaka - in all sense and that sums up Kaka.
exactly and to the point. Do these clowns really think RvN, Van Persie, Adebayor, Drogba, Anelka, Tevez, Torres, Zlatan, Julio Cruz, Trez, Del Piero, Totti, Nihat, Makaay, Podolski, Klose etc etc would miss these chances that rooney typically misses????
He is not a good finisher - and often his shots are not even on target!
But it's all allright- as rooney runs around for the good of the team!!!!!
That's what LFC fans say to defend Kuyt!???
Rooney is judged on goals/ assists/ and providing attacking thrusts - everything else is secondary or immaterial.
He is not a good finisher - and often his shots are not even on target!
But it's all allright- as rooney runs around for the good of the team!!!!!
That's what LFC fans say to defend Kuyt!???
Rooney is judged on goals/ assists/ and providing attacking thrusts - everything else is secondary or immaterial.
Rooney is class.
Anyone who says anything different is wrong. There's no arguement.
Anyone who says anything different is wrong. There's no arguement.
Have you not watched Utd play for the last 3 years?
yes, and i've seen that he is a poor finisher who keeps missing alot of easy chances. He's a poorer finisher than Andy Cole - and the latter used to get grief!
Rooney is the worst forward in the last 10-15 years at MU and cost the most!!!! 10m more than RvN - that gives an indication of how over-rated he is!
Rooney is the worst forward in the last 10-15 years at MU and cost the most!!!! 10m more than RvN - that gives an indication of how over-rated he is!
You can't be serious....he has never played any other position in his life.
Word.Scottish red is probably a 12 yr old who thinks Kaka is a big match player after watching the United games against Milan and some youtube clips.
The myth about Kaka performing when it matters -
Off the 10 goals that Kaka scored last season in the CL, there were 4 penalties, there was a Lampardesque deflected goal off the defender Zetka when Milan beat Anderlecht 1-0 away and a hatrick against them at home.
He was in Hargreaves pocket against Bayern and did nothing against Liverpool as long as Mascherano was on the pitch. His only worthy contributions were against Celtic and a depleted United defence.
Of the 8 league goals that Kaka scored, 4 were from the penalty spot again and 3 goals were against relegated sides Ascoli and Messina. Milan managed just 7 wins in their 19 away games.
18 goals - 8 penalties, 8 goals against Anderlecht / Ascoli/ Messina/ Celtic. Big match player indeed
Can someone explain to me why the feck Rooney loves to track back and defend..can't he fecking leave it to people like Carrick and Hargreaves MOST OF THE TIME and concentrate on stretching defence by his shear presence...right next to them like proper forwards should do??
Reading shit like this is why i try and avoid the Manchested United forum.
Agree. Motson and Lawro were embarrassing at times .Rooney showed a lot of energy and determination.But isn't he meant to be a striker.Even SAF wants him to concentrate more on scoring goals.
You must be retarded. Seriously, you're mentally challenged. You're a very special boy.
Amen brother...
Just as a matter of interest, which house in feckwitsville do you live in ?
Rooney is withut doubt class, and when he's on his game, he is without doubt World Class.
However, he isn't on his game at the minute, and does need to sort it out. If that was Fletcher or Carrick in that sort of form you know you'd be losing the plot.
This season he has no doubt been important, but if you listed the first XI in order of importance, he would not make top 5.
Not in order: Ronaldo, Rio, Evra, Vidic, Tevez - all ahead of Wazza.
Its not a problem though, Rooney will come good as we all know.
However, he isn't on his game at the minute, and does need to sort it out. If that was Fletcher or Carrick in that sort of form you know you'd be losing the plot.
This season he has no doubt been important, but if you listed the first XI in order of importance, he would not make top 5.
Not in order: Ronaldo, Rio, Evra, Vidic, Tevez - all ahead of Wazza.
Its not a problem though, Rooney will come good as we all know.
I can understand why most of the posters from england would label him world class, after all he is almost a local boy and the crowd get to see him give 110% for the team every match, its would be criminal if they couldn't magnify every single good thing he did for the team,but in my eyes he's now far away from the world class category,only his reputation is keeping him there, 2-3 years ago he was an absolute genius,now he's just become average in my eyes.Forget his striking ability,its ok even to be a little sloppy sometimes,but some off his touches can be shockingly atrocious at times nowadays to be considered a world class player,not that he doesn't have the talent,but dare i say it i often feel he's lost his hunger and desire to create those moments of magic that made him the player he is.
Well said. Needs to score more goals though, they will come.
That has to be the biggest load of bullshit I have EVER read on Redcafe, and I assure you, there has been a lot written.
I really am beginning to pity you. You have major issues.
exactly, rooney is failing in his role and dic*kheads frequent this forum as if all is well as rooney:
1/ runs around alot for the team hell the scouse defend Kuyt this way?!
2/ tackles now and then so that makes him great
3/ loses the ball - but its ok, cos he's a fighter
4/ drifts into different position - not because he's lost his discipline but he's versatile
5/ misses chance after chances- but that's because he's played out of position!
6/ His confidence is low - but all will be ok once he gets a 'goal'. If that was the case why does'nt he take the next pen?? Then again having seen his woeful pens perhaps not!
Rooney is the prime example of over-hype by fans/ pundits galore and only cost £27m. Not much pressure then!
1/ runs around alot for the team hell the scouse defend Kuyt this way?!
2/ tackles now and then so that makes him great
3/ loses the ball - but its ok, cos he's a fighter
4/ drifts into different position - not because he's lost his discipline but he's versatile
5/ misses chance after chances- but that's because he's played out of position!
6/ His confidence is low - but all will be ok once he gets a 'goal'. If that was the case why does'nt he take the next pen?? Then again having seen his woeful pens perhaps not!
Rooney is the prime example of over-hype by fans/ pundits galore and only cost £27m. Not much pressure then!
So which striker would you place rooney ahead out of our strikers on last 10-15 yrs???
Yorke
Mark Hughes
Eric Cantona
Ole Solksjaer
Andy Cole
Teddy Sheringham
RvN
Yorke
Mark Hughes
Eric Cantona
Ole Solksjaer
Andy Cole
Teddy Sheringham
RvN
That has to be the biggest load of bullshit I have EVER read on Redcafe, and I assure you, there has been a lot written.
I really am beginning to pity you. You have major issues.
Oh sorry, now I see, we've only had 7 strikers in the last 15 years.
And for the record, he's better than Yorke, Cole and Sheringham. You can't really compare him to RVN or Ole as they are totally different sort of strikers, it's like comparing a player like Kaka, to a player like Gattuso. It can't be done.
Rooney is world class
But I do think him not playing where he should be playing (off the main striker ) is hampering his rightful passage to being one of the best in the world.
Good to see confirmation that he is considered by Capello as being the best English striker
PS. Mithun appears to be a full-on dildo
But I do think him not playing where he should be playing (off the main striker ) is hampering his rightful passage to being one of the best in the world.
Good to see confirmation that he is considered by Capello as being the best English striker
PS. Mithun appears to be a full-on dildo
interesting
But all the TV pundits and managers that say hes definitely one of the best players on the planet know less than you..
Fergie who has seen some of the greatest players United have had, knows feck all compared to you...
I think you should apply for the vacancy when Fergie retires... What with your infinite knowledge of what makes a player worthwhile buying...
Yorke - Definitely yes...
Hughes - Close but I think Rooney would get the edge because hes more adaptable
Cantona - Very hard to call but week in week out Rooney is more influential and is so reliant on moments of brilliance.
Solskjaer - Not as prolific but far more valuable in terms of workrate and ability.
Cole - No brainer. You'd go for Rooney everytime
RVN - Ruud couldnt play alongside another striker. Rooney can. So Rooney is by far the better option...
So out of those 7 I would say Rooney would be a first choice over at least 5 of them.
Taxi for Mithun! Who's willing to pay?
Its ok to vent your frustrations if you think he's been disappointing,heck its even ok to critisize him for not matching what you think are united's standards,but to go on and on and on about him being useless is just plain retarded and a disgrace.
I'm not rooney's biggest fan and i can see your point but you've gone a litlle over the top and so has sam for starting this thread mainly because he felt rooney was under-rated and under-valued by posters when that clearly is not the case.
The only valuable point mithun brings is what happens when we start drawing or losing games because of the lack of genuine goal-scorers,will hargreaves and carrick be blamed?
you really are low on intelligence that you cannot understand my post - in my post i listed all the best strikers of the last decade etc If rooney is worldclass and one of the best where does he compare to our best??
Why is rooney better than Cole or Sheringham or Yorke. These guys were brilliant team-players and finishers.
Sheringham is a PFA player of the season winner and scorer in FA cup/ UEFA cup finals.
Cole has consistently scored goals for MU in his carrer and scored decisive goals that won EPLs. He has the most goals from open play in EPL history more than Shearer.
Yorke was class for Villa and MU and was a ace finisher of all types of chances.
So what has rooney got on those legends of MU?? fuc*k all!
Why is rooney better than Cole or Sheringham or Yorke. These guys were brilliant team-players and finishers.
Sheringham is a PFA player of the season winner and scorer in FA cup/ UEFA cup finals.
Cole has consistently scored goals for MU in his carrer and scored decisive goals that won EPLs. He has the most goals from open play in EPL history more than Shearer.
Yorke was class for Villa and MU and was a ace finisher of all types of chances.
So what has rooney got on those legends of MU?? fuc*k all!
Oh sorry, now I see, we've only had 7 strikers in the last 15 years.
And for the record, he's better than Yorke, Cole and Sheringham. You can't really compare him to RVN or Ole as they are totally different sort of strikers, it's like comparing a player like Kaka, to a player like Gattuso. It can't be done.
This is an amazingly sensible post for someone with your tagline...
credit to your post.
as i've explained rooney was bought in at £27m to provide the attack, score goals etc. This is'nt happening. Rooney gets clear cut chances and never looks like converting. This is plain infuriating and the frustration builds up as there is no improvement. Look at ronaldo he was not a good finisher but now his shots and finishing have improved immensely.
MU need a goalscorer. So say if Berbatov came - rooney then would have a fight on his hand to retain his place vs Tevez - who for all intents and purposes looks suited for the withdrawn role. What is to then become of rooney especially if he goes on spells of bad form?
As to your last comment - i reserve judgement on Hargreaves yet, but carrick is a useful player who due to his good passing is expected to provide through balls or key passes. He does do that and i'm happy. Against Roma - he showed his excellent shooting skills - two great goals - and i would like him to try and get goals. Above all Carrick is a good team player who lets the better player's play thier game! He needs to improve his awareness of markers as sometimes he gets caught out or closed - unlike the master Scholes!
as i've explained rooney was bought in at £27m to provide the attack, score goals etc. This is'nt happening. Rooney gets clear cut chances and never looks like converting. This is plain infuriating and the frustration builds up as there is no improvement. Look at ronaldo he was not a good finisher but now his shots and finishing have improved immensely.
MU need a goalscorer. So say if Berbatov came - rooney then would have a fight on his hand to retain his place vs Tevez - who for all intents and purposes looks suited for the withdrawn role. What is to then become of rooney especially if he goes on spells of bad form?
As to your last comment - i reserve judgement on Hargreaves yet, but carrick is a useful player who due to his good passing is expected to provide through balls or key passes. He does do that and i'm happy. Against Roma - he showed his excellent shooting skills - two great goals - and i would like him to try and get goals. Above all Carrick is a good team player who lets the better player's play thier game! He needs to improve his awareness of markers as sometimes he gets caught out or closed - unlike the master Scholes!
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