was veron really worth 29 million????

[uranushk1]

Originally posted by RUnited:
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thought about the fact that maybe becks scholes and giggs are playing worse because Veron is in the team? Without him we could revert back to the old system and get the smoothness going again..

i don't think it's fair to base your judgement on that the rest have not played well either.. it's the tactical change that has made them play worse.. even Veron must be findin it hard to play with the original United lads.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree. Scholes was affected the most by Veron's arrival, since he needed to adapt to an unfamilar position. If Veron hasn't come here I can bet anything with you that Scholes would have performed better last season. Becks had some bad period last season, but he also had a very good period and finally scored the most number of goals in a season in his career.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by Murt:
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exactly but throw in Beckham there aswell. None of them have been dreadful but none of them have performed consistently to the best of their abilities for at least the last yr.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, Beckham could be thrown in there as well, I agree

 

[GTR]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Veron's game is well suited for Europe, because he generally gets better time on the ball.

In the PL he gets closed alot quicker, which takes his forte out of the game, i.e. his ability to pick out people with killer passes.

However, although he's not performed as well as desired in the PL, he hasn't been as bad as some people seem to think.</strong><hr></blockquote>

His killer passes doesn't seem to work in the PL as a lot of it seems to go astray. Lack of time on the ball i agree...does that mean he isn't suited to the PL & may well never adjust since the PL is so fast? I'm sure the "neutrals" like the scousers/gooners in this forum will generally pick veron as a "weak link" due to his below-par performance?

Anyway, lets hope he eventually adjusts to life in the fast lane.
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[Ever hopefull]

It is easy to have a go at Seba because of the transfer fee.
I agree with whoever said Scholes and Becks have played no better but no-one really questions them because there was no transfer paid.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>It is easy to have a go at Seba because of the transfer fee.
I agree with whoever said Scholes and Becks have played no better but no-one really questions them because there was no transfer paid.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But that's fair comment!

It's not fair to blame Veron, but the fact is that the higher the fee, the higher the responsibility.

And also, Scholes and Becks have achieved for us -I can guarantee that if Veron wins us the CL trophy with his performances, everyone will be far less concerned about his cock-ups in the league.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
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And also, Scholes and Becks have achieved for us -I can guarantee that if Veron wins us the CL trophy with his performances, everyone will be far less concerned about his cock-ups in the league.</strong><hr></blockquote>


i hope you're right.

 

[uranushk1]

Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>It is easy to have a go at Seba because of the transfer fee.
I agree with whoever said Scholes and Becks have played no better but no-one really questions them because there was no transfer paid.</strong><hr></blockquote>


If you think they are shite you have every right to start another thread to discuss it, it's absolutely no problem at all. But this thread is to discuss Veron, and there is no point to get every other players involved in here.

And I agree with Runited's comment that Becks and Scholes below average performance last season were very probably caused by the arrival of Veron and the change of system.

 

[Ever hopefull]

Originally posted by uranushk1:
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If you think they are shite you have every right to start another thread to discuss it, it's absolutely no problem at all. But this thread is to discuss Veron, and there is no point to get every other players involved in here.

And I agree with Runited's comment that Becks and Scholes below average performance last season were very probably caused by the arrival of Veron and the change of system.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That wasn't my point. This thread was stating that Seba wasn't worth the transfer fee, my point was that a large transfer fee makes it easy to criticise a player. How are you supposed to assess a players form without comparing him to other players.

If you are saying Seba wasn't worth the money put yourself in his shoes. How would you perform going to a new country where the style is completely different to anything you've encountered before, you don't speak the language and everyone is expecting instant miracles.

 

[Stanley Road]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I can guarantee that if Veron wins us the CL trophy with his performances, everyone will be far less concerned about his cock-ups in the league.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wont

He wont win us the CL, the team might though

 

[uranushk1]

Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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That wasn't my point. This thread was stating that Seba wasn't worth the transfer fee, my point was that a large transfer fee makes it easy to criticise a player. How are you supposed to assess a players form without comparing him to other players.

If you are saying Seba wasn't worth the money put yourself in his shoes. How would you perform going to a new country where the style is completely different to anything you've encountered before, you don't speak the language and everyone is expecting instant miracles.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, I absolutely agree that a player going to a new country need time to adjust. But then the question is again "does he worth 29m". You won't buy a "future prospect" which cost 29m. If we want to buy a player for the future, 9m is enough. When you spend that much, you expect the player can immediately benefit you, or at least pay something back in the first year.

 

[Ever hopefull]

Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Yes, I absolutely agree that a player going to a new country need time to adjust. But then the question is again "does he worth 29m". You won't buy a "future prospect" which cost 29m. If we want to buy a player for the future, 9m is enough. When you spend that much, you expect the player can immediately benefit you, or at least pay something back in the first year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He had a big say in us reaching the semi-final of the Champions League. A lot of his performances in Europe got overlooked last year because of his poor premiership form.

 

[uranushk1]

Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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He had a big say in us reaching the semi-final of the Champions League. A lot of his performances in Europe got overlooked last year because of his poor premiership form.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So is it worth to bring in a 29m player who can just help you get into the semi-final of CL and is consistently poor in PL? I don't think so. But then, most people would agree that he will completely worth his money if he can play a big part to help us win the CL this season. Let's see whether it will actually happen or not.

 

[Ever hopefull]

But you have to agree that Seba is probably the form midfielder in the whole Champions League, and his premiership form is a hell of a lot better this year. It not upto what we would expect but it is getting there.

I stand by my original point in the we should get off his back until atleast after Christmas. Once the Christmas period is over, look at Seba's form again and make a judgement

 

[becks_rules]

c'mon how about we just sell him back 2 lazio. he is hining like crazy. then we can buy a proper playa who is great and is worth the cash.

right fellas <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />

 

[uranushk1]

Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>and his premiership form is a hell of a lot better this year. </strong><hr></blockquote>


Then I think may be you and me have different definition and view point on what's a "good performance". IMO he has still yet to play a good league match this season, and in the seven league matches he played in this season so far, he was substituted four times in the second half (without injury). If this means "a hell lot better", then I don't know what's your definition of "bad". When what I see as "bad" or "average", is "good" in your eyes, then I don't think our discussion will have any result.