Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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How many goals did beckham score in that second half of the season?</strong><hr></blockquote>
How many goals has Ruud scored this season, yet would you consider him to be playing a blinder ? Sometimes the amount of goals a player scores is not a governing factor in his overall performance.
Sometimes the amount of goals a player scores is not a governing factor in his overall performance.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Diego for example
Diego for example
Yeah, Diego has been very good for United but has only scored 1 goal.
I was sorry he wasn't given more time on Saturday. He looked very lively when he came on, and made some nice passes. 10 mins is just not enough for the poor guy
Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
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Yeah, Diego has been very good for United but has only scored 1 goal.
I was sorry he wasn't given more time on Saturday. He looked very lively when he came on, and made some nice passes. 10 mins is just not enough for the poor guy
Agree especially when he has been hitting the goals in the reserves
Ofcourse he was worth it.
Everything is always worth what the donuts...ahem...customers are willing to pay for it.
Plain and simple marketing-truths.
What's the score?
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Everything is always worth what the donuts...ahem...customers are willing to pay for it.
Plain and simple marketing-truths.
What's the score?
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No player i worth 27 million, Do you think Owen is wrth 50 million or Beckham 30?
Didnt think so.
Dont blamb the player for his price tag. If you want top players like Beckham and Veron your either going to have to get lucky as was the cas with Bex or pay for it as is the case with Veron.
Didnt think so.
Dont blamb the player for his price tag. If you want top players like Beckham and Veron your either going to have to get lucky as was the cas with Bex or pay for it as is the case with Veron.
Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
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what drives me NUTS is when other players on the United team are guilty of the same sins, but do not get the same battering because they are not supposedly "worth" the same.
Does this make sense to anyone ? Anyone relate to this at all ?
It;s human nature. It's obvious you are going to expect more from someone who cost a lot of money - especially with the need for other positions to be filled and an apparent "shortage" of funds.
A more pertinent question would be "Is Veron really worth his place in our team". My answer would be a resounding no if others are injury free and available. The only hope I see for us regarding Veron is in the European games where he has more time on the ball, but even then I am sceptical - he wasn't quite there in the semi's last year was he?
I care for Keano but i guess he should shut up for once and concentrate on his game
1 It is the manager's job to pick out the weaknesses on the team
2 It is not fair to insult those (supporters) who are responsable in paying him his 100 grand per week
3 After all he is not a saint, isnt he? How many times he had been sent off because of his childish temper?
These are bad times for Manutd and our captian should lead and not divide the team.
1 It is the manager's job to pick out the weaknesses on the team
2 It is not fair to insult those (supporters) who are responsable in paying him his 100 grand per week
3 After all he is not a saint, isnt he? How many times he had been sent off because of his childish temper?
These are bad times for Manutd and our captian should lead and not divide the team.
The captian's role is to lead the team on the pitch NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS.
He has no right to comment on the players expecially over the media.
Problems should be solved inside OT quarters and this Keano knows it far too wellBut i guess he wanted more publicity for his dairy.
To say the truth I am not completely convinced of
Keano's so called Blind Loyalty to the red devils cause. After all its a fact that he was set to leave Manutd (for free) before he was offered a 100 grand per week.
Inspirational players where ppl like B Robson, E Cantona and R Giggs who had refused the superior lira just to play at OT.
Insulting his teamates is not the solution to Manutd's problems. It only causes more friction as we have experienced during his clash with Ruudie.
He has no right to comment on the players expecially over the media.
Problems should be solved inside OT quarters and this Keano knows it far too wellBut i guess he wanted more publicity for his dairy.
To say the truth I am not completely convinced of
Keano's so called Blind Loyalty to the red devils cause. After all its a fact that he was set to leave Manutd (for free) before he was offered a 100 grand per week.
Inspirational players where ppl like B Robson, E Cantona and R Giggs who had refused the superior lira just to play at OT.
Insulting his teamates is not the solution to Manutd's problems. It only causes more friction as we have experienced during his clash with Ruudie.
No,the next thing we will see Murt is a player which is paid a 100 grand per week and not lasting a game.
A player who get injured for 6 months because he was trying to hurt another player.
A captian who have publicaly humilated P Neville on the pitch with 65 000 supporters watching
A so called loyal player who had been banned for 5 MATCHES just to earn a few more grands by selling a diary.
A player who have started a fight with Ruud Van Nistelrooy ( the best player last season) for nothing
Keano is a shame. He should be stripped from the armband which saw heros like B Robson and B Charlton wearing it
At the end of the day its not keano but Manutd who have suffered from his 5 game ban. We needed him but as usual he wasnt there
A player who get injured for 6 months because he was trying to hurt another player.
A captian who have publicaly humilated P Neville on the pitch with 65 000 supporters watching
A so called loyal player who had been banned for 5 MATCHES just to earn a few more grands by selling a diary.
A player who have started a fight with Ruud Van Nistelrooy ( the best player last season) for nothing
Keano is a shame. He should be stripped from the armband which saw heros like B Robson and B Charlton wearing it
At the end of the day its not keano but Manutd who have suffered from his 5 game ban. We needed him but as usual he wasnt there
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>No,the next thing we will see Murt is a player which is paid a 100 grand per week and not lasting a game.
A player who get injured for 6 months because he was trying to hurt another player.
A captian who have publicaly humilated P Neville on the pitch with 65 000 supporters watching
A so called loyal player who had been banned for 5 MATCHES just to earn a few more grands by selling a diary.
A player who have started a fight with Ruud Van Nistelrooy ( the best player last season) for nothing
Keano is a shame. He should be stripped from the armband which saw heros like B Robson and B Charlton wearing it
At the end of the day its not keano but Manutd who have suffered from his 5 game ban. We needed him but as usual he wasnt there</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sorry Murt I never thought of wasting my time with a stupid like you.
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what are you gotta to do about it! keep whringing about veron does not change the results....
and he's still at the team... face with it!
what are you gotta to do about it! keep whringing about veron does not change the results....
and he's still at the team... face with it!
I think one of the key points about supporter dissatisfaction with Veron is that his inclusion in the team appears to unbalance it.
The saying, `If it aint broke, don`t fix it` applies to some extent here because although Sir Alex saw the established players as needing a challenge, and United went out of Europe after mediocre performances, the fact remains that last year Manchester United did not win the Premiership, had it formation tinkered with, and bought a midfield player despite having more options there already, while neglecting to effectively replace the strikers who left.
I support Sir Alex through the glory times and the lean times but that does not mean I think he is infallible. While he has to be given credit for trying to make Manchester United less predictable by changing formations and buying Veron, it can be argued these were the factors that resulted in no silverware last year. Not the rolex argument espoused by Roy Keane.
In saying that I am not having a dig at Keano - I am just not buying his views on why United failed last season. He is entitled to them but Roy also is not perfect - not only in his behaviour but in his opinions. From everything I have read about Roy he seems to be a man who maybe sees life from a depressive`s perspective. I think he is a marvellous captain and should continue in that position but I think he has been too harsh on some of his team mates.
The bottom line is - Seba was a luxury purchase and while I think he is good for the club in European games, I personally don`t think that justifies unsettling the team and producing the lacklustre performances that have increased since we bought Seba.
It is not his responsibility as such and the other players must lift their game, but you can like Seba, admire his skills, wish him well, yet think that maybe Manchester United is better off without him. Yet if he really fires up the lads in Europe, then maybe it was all worth it.
The saying, `If it aint broke, don`t fix it` applies to some extent here because although Sir Alex saw the established players as needing a challenge, and United went out of Europe after mediocre performances, the fact remains that last year Manchester United did not win the Premiership, had it formation tinkered with, and bought a midfield player despite having more options there already, while neglecting to effectively replace the strikers who left.
I support Sir Alex through the glory times and the lean times but that does not mean I think he is infallible. While he has to be given credit for trying to make Manchester United less predictable by changing formations and buying Veron, it can be argued these were the factors that resulted in no silverware last year. Not the rolex argument espoused by Roy Keane.
In saying that I am not having a dig at Keano - I am just not buying his views on why United failed last season. He is entitled to them but Roy also is not perfect - not only in his behaviour but in his opinions. From everything I have read about Roy he seems to be a man who maybe sees life from a depressive`s perspective. I think he is a marvellous captain and should continue in that position but I think he has been too harsh on some of his team mates.
The bottom line is - Seba was a luxury purchase and while I think he is good for the club in European games, I personally don`t think that justifies unsettling the team and producing the lacklustre performances that have increased since we bought Seba.
It is not his responsibility as such and the other players must lift their game, but you can like Seba, admire his skills, wish him well, yet think that maybe Manchester United is better off without him. Yet if he really fires up the lads in Europe, then maybe it was all worth it.
Sir Alex had once said that NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB but he was right.
I am not saying that Keano should be sacked, but it is true that
1 other ppl had been sacked for much less than that ( ex stam)
2 Keano need to be put controlled
3 Nowadays G Neville and Beckham deserve the captianship more than Keano
About Veron I agree that hes a wonderful player but i dont think that Manutd needed him. We needed a creative forward that can play deep ( ex Ronaldinho) and NOT another attacking midfielder
I am not saying that Keano should be sacked, but it is true that
1 other ppl had been sacked for much less than that ( ex stam)
2 Keano need to be put controlled
3 Nowadays G Neville and Beckham deserve the captianship more than Keano
About Veron I agree that hes a wonderful player but i dont think that Manutd needed him. We needed a creative forward that can play deep ( ex Ronaldinho) and NOT another attacking midfielder
Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
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I'll take one aspect of Veron's game that remains a massive contradiction - and I'll be fair ok.
Veron's passing is both exquisite and poor. His pin point accurate passses to the front men and wings are remarkable. Some of his short passes are done as well as a short pass can be done. Then on the other hand, some of his long balls are a disaster, and many of his short passes are annoyingly poor. So that is fair to say about Veron ok ?
So based on the above, he is not worth his price tag fair and square. There is no point in argueing he is - and although he is one of my favourite players, I'm not going to try. My only point is that there are other players on the United team who would make the same mistakes as Veron, but they seem to go unpunished, and I think this is a little unfair. It is not consistant support.
Do you think that Veron asked to be worth 29m ? I doubt it. I'd say he was just so thankful that United didn't doubt him, that he welcomed the move with open arms. He has had to learn to adapt, and has not done too well in this department, but to summarise, what drives me NUTS is when other players on the United team are guilty of the same sins, but do not get the same battering because they are not supposedly "worth" the same.
Does this make sense to anyone ? Anyone relate to this at all ?
I agree. Tho I do think that it's fair to ask more from Veron than some one like Phil Neville. And we do expect different from different players, at least I do. Maybe that's unfair maybe it's not. We've all seen what Veron can do and that's why we are dissapointed when he doesn't perform to that level.
I'll support Veron as long as he's still with the club. I don't believe he'll ever perform to his potential for United (I did this summer) but obviously I hope I'm (together with most people) proved wrong in the end.
At the time of Veron's transfer i thought it was a great buy. The transfer market was still bouyant and he was one of the best midfielders in Europe, possibly the world. But with the benefit of hindsight, wonderful thing i know, you have to look at performances, we have paid at the moment for a player who is providing top class performances 17 games a season. If that brings us the champions league then he will have repaid his transfer fee many times over.
I still think we have to give him another couple of months, ie. Christmas. If he has still not settled by then and we do not win the Champions League this year then it may be time for him to move on next summer, but we shall see
I still think we have to give him another couple of months, ie. Christmas. If he has still not settled by then and we do not win the Champions League this year then it may be time for him to move on next summer, but we shall see
Originally posted by pete_8:
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Harsh conclusion..Although I see where you are coming from , he has been very dissapointing and often frustrating. We have seen glimpses of his brilliance ( normally in games where he is given time on the ball ) Unfortunately you don't get that in the premiership. I say give him till the end of this season and re assess then , he may adjust eventually..He is a vital asset in our European campaign this year IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe it's a harsh accusation of Veron. Just venting my frustrations after his poor performance agst Fulham.
Yeah...abt his European performance...i have to agree that he generally plays better in European games. But then, there are only a few European games a season. As compared to tons of premiership games week in week out. So i judge him based on the numerous poor showing week after week.
From wat many of us has seen thus far, he would only cut it agst smaller teams who allow us time on the ball. If he would to appear in midfield agst Arsenal/Liverpool, i'm sure he will disappear as usual.
Originally posted by GTR:
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Maybe it's a harsh accusation of Veron. Just venting my frustrations after his poor performance agst Fulham.
Yeah...abt his European performance...i have to agree that he generally plays better in European games. But then, there are only a few European games a season. As compared to tons of premiership games week in week out. So i judge him based on the numerous poor showing week after week.
From wat many of us has seen thus far, he would only cut it agst smaller teams who allow us time on the ball. If he would to appear in midfield agst Arsenal/Liverpool, i'm sure he will disappear as usual.
Veron's game is well suited for Europe, because he generally gets better time on the ball.
In the PL he gets closed alot quicker, which takes his forte out of the game, i.e. his ability to pick out people with killer passes.
However, although he's not performed as well as desired in the PL, he hasn't been as bad as some people seem to think.
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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However, although he's not performed as well as desired in the PL, he hasn't been as bad as some people seem to think.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well a lot of ppl here thinks his bad even thought many other players also did not performed better than expected.
Originally posted by pjaya:
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Well a lot of ppl here thinks his bad even thought many other players also did not performed better than expected.
Easy target
Since he came to the club, he's not performed any worse than e.g. Scholes and Giggs
For any Manchester Utd Supporter to say those ridiculous things about the captain...Well,dont let me get my hands on you,You are suspect..Yeah you.feck off and support the Arse,chocolate ball <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
Please write more Benny you are frightening us <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
You are SOOOO RIDICULOUS <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
You are SOOOO RIDICULOUS
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