what has veron done. he didnt play well at all 4 argentina and was named captain????
yes he is god! well he will be (fingers crossed)
sometimes he plays like he's worth it, unfortunately, a lot of the time he doesn't
ffs theres already another topic open on this AND its been done 2334534436456457547 times already.
Veron was disappointing today - again.
Do his good games really compensate that much for the rest?
How long can we keep saying that he will come good? I really don't think he's that well suited to English football. A good game - even a great game - here and there, isn't a good return for the money.
Do his good games really compensate that much for the rest?
How long can we keep saying that he will come good? I really don't think he's that well suited to English football. A good game - even a great game - here and there, isn't a good return for the money.
Is a Lottery ticket worth a Pound??????
Was buying Veron a lottery. ? 
Originally posted by ManUinOz:
<strong>Was buying Veron a lottery. ?
Paying millions for any footballer is a Lottery..............there is no guarantee of a victory, but you live in hope it will come good eventually..............................oh yeah..................
After watching the game vs Fulham & tons of other games "live" (never miss a match! ) on telly. I conclude that our Mr Veron is a utter waste of money. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
) on telly. I conclude that our Mr Veron is a utter waste of money. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />Originally posted by GTR:
<strong>After watching the game vs Fulham & tons of other games "live" (never miss a match!
Harsh conclusion..Although I see where you are coming from , he has been very dissapointing and often frustrating. We have seen glimpses of his brilliance ( normally in games where he is given time on the ball ) Unfortunately you don't get that in the premiership. I say give him till the end of this season and re assess then , he may adjust eventually..He is a vital asset in our European campaign this year IMHO.
To be fair he's not getting much help from the players around him, the problem is a drop of form with the whole team not just veron.
Veron would do well in a team that can pass the ball around and keep posession - at the moment we are unable to do that, how many balls where simply punted up the field today? - to many imo.
When keano comes back it will actually help veron because keane is a ball winner that knows how to keep posession, Veron is a playmaker thats what we bought him for but right now he is being asked to be ball winner and playmaker in a team that is incapable of keeping the ball for more than 3 or 4 passes.
I think when keane comes back veron will be given plenty of oppertunity to play alongside him but if things dont start coming together a return to lazio could well be on the cards....
Veron would do well in a team that can pass the ball around and keep posession - at the moment we are unable to do that, how many balls where simply punted up the field today? - to many imo.
When keano comes back it will actually help veron because keane is a ball winner that knows how to keep posession, Veron is a playmaker thats what we bought him for but right now he is being asked to be ball winner and playmaker in a team that is incapable of keeping the ball for more than 3 or 4 passes.
I think when keane comes back veron will be given plenty of oppertunity to play alongside him but if things dont start coming together a return to lazio could well be on the cards....
I think the real point here is that the tranfer market is vastly over inflated and even more so when world famous clubs such as Manchester United go hunting for players.
Let`s face it - financially crippled Lazio were never going to let Veron go for nothing more than a ridiculous price when Manchester United showed interest. I think, however, people also have to understand where Sir Alex was coming from. He bought Cantona and the expectations were not high but of course it was the buy of the decade in the 90s or the buy of the century, according to whether you think Eric was THE United player of all time or not.
Sir Alex knew Eric would bring something totally different to Manchester United and I believe his signing of Veron was another attempt to energise the team with a player who is coming from a different footballing background. The fact that Veron has not made the impact expected does not mean he was a bad buy. I think he should be given until the end of this season before he is judged to have been a waste of money.
Yet the fact remains, when you spend that kind of money you don`t spend it hoping that Veron will come through in the Champions League games. He has got to start being consistent in the Premiership and until he does, unfortunately that arbitrary price tag will hang like an albatross around his neck.
Let`s face it - financially crippled Lazio were never going to let Veron go for nothing more than a ridiculous price when Manchester United showed interest. I think, however, people also have to understand where Sir Alex was coming from. He bought Cantona and the expectations were not high but of course it was the buy of the decade in the 90s or the buy of the century, according to whether you think Eric was THE United player of all time or not.
Sir Alex knew Eric would bring something totally different to Manchester United and I believe his signing of Veron was another attempt to energise the team with a player who is coming from a different footballing background. The fact that Veron has not made the impact expected does not mean he was a bad buy. I think he should be given until the end of this season before he is judged to have been a waste of money.
Yet the fact remains, when you spend that kind of money you don`t spend it hoping that Veron will come through in the Champions League games. He has got to start being consistent in the Premiership and until he does, unfortunately that arbitrary price tag will hang like an albatross around his neck.
Originally posted by roxyfella:
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Paying millions for any footballer is a Lottery..............there is no guarantee of a victory, but you live in hope it will come good eventually..............................oh yeah..................
If we're talking lotteries, then the only that paid BIGTIME is Eric. Like Lotto, don't expect the next payout to happen anytime real soon.
Veron, on the other hand, is an investment....
I think Veron's problem is much to do with his passport scandal problem which is the only thing I believe is effecting him and his game. Yes he worth 29mil but the problem is he has'nt got the opportunity to prove so because of the passport problem.
But I think watching Teletubbies may help
But I think watching Teletubbies may help
Veron was bought because we needed creativity in midfield to unlock those stubborn defences which were becoming an increasing problem as teams found out how to play us, particularly at OT. The problem has been how to play JSV. He's not your all action ball winner. He needs to play with a minder ie with someone like Butt and a more restrained Keane who can give him the ball to make something out of nothing. The sort of support he gets from Simeone. He remains a world class performer but we're not getting the best out of him because the demands of the PL are different and he's not being given the space and time to play his game. He needs support. On the other hand if we get rid of him the problem of midfield creativity remains unresolved.
Originally posted by Cantona07:
<strong>I think Veron's problem is much to do with his passport scandal problem which is the only thing I believe is effecting him and his game. Yes he worth 29mil but the problem is he has'nt got the opportunity to prove so because of the passport problem.
But I think watching Teletubbies may help
I think you're right
When my passport expired i suddenly became really shit at football, i remember it well
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Yes, Veron WAS worth £29M. He isn't today tho. And, yes: He was a waste of money.
I've said that we should give him this season too to adjust to Manchester United and English football (take the loss and never look back). But I'm more and more liking the idea of him being sold. That said, he can still be the difference between losing and winning the Champions League.
His game when we bought him wasn't suited to English football but such a good player should be able to adjust. Someone said having Keane back would help Veron but I don't think that's true. If you look at the best performances by Seba they have come when Keane hasn't been playing.
I've said that we should give him this season too to adjust to Manchester United and English football (take the loss and never look back). But I'm more and more liking the idea of him being sold. That said, he can still be the difference between losing and winning the Champions League.
His game when we bought him wasn't suited to English football but such a good player should be able to adjust. Someone said having Keane back would help Veron but I don't think that's true. If you look at the best performances by Seba they have come when Keane hasn't been playing.
simple answer---NO!
Veron is not tough enough, in his game, for the PL atm, though he is trying hard!. He has great skill but seems to be struggling to get the space & time to demonstrate it in England! No sooner has he the ball than he's swamped by the marauding opposition....he has, i bekieve, to have a strong guard to enable him to perform. Unless Utd sort this via Keane/Butt, who can create spce for him, he WILL have been the biggest waste of money ever IMO....but I really like the guy & as long as he wears the shirt I will be shouting his name & hopin'
I don't care if Veron makes a telling pass or not. I don't care if Veron gets stuck in tackles or not. And I really don't care that he has scored only half a goal for us up to now.
But For feck's sake can he AT LEAST stop giving the fecking ball away time and time again.
But For feck's sake can he AT LEAST stop giving the fecking ball away time and time again.
Originally posted by osterdal:
<strong>Yes, Veron WAS worth £29M. He isn't today tho. And, yes: He was a waste of money.
I've said that we should give him this season too to adjust to Manchester United and English football (take the loss and never look back). But I'm more and more liking the idea of him being sold. </strong><hr></blockquote>
So why not sell Beckham aswell ?
If I am to go by your logic, such a move would make 100% sense for Bex. He is immensely talented like Veron, and we have all seen his ability as we have with Veron, but Bex hasn't been worth a fart for much of last season and all of this season, bar the odd bit of genius. So shall we sell him ? What do you think Osterdal ? Afterall you seem to be a bit of a football whizz.
Originally posted by redmad:
<strong>Veron is not tough enough, in his game, for the PL atm, though he is trying hard!. He has great skill but seems to be struggling to get the space & time to demonstrate it in England! No sooner has he the ball than he's swamped by the marauding opposition....he has, i bekieve, to have a strong guard to enable him to perform. Unless Utd sort this via Keane/Butt, who can create spce for him, he WILL have been the biggest waste of money ever IMO....but I really like the guy & as long as he wears the shirt I will be shouting his name & hopin'
Fair Play !
Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
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So why not sell Beckham aswell ?
If I am to go by your logic, such a move would make 100% sense for Bex. He is immensely talented like Veron, and we have all seen his ability as we have with Veron, but Bex hasn't been worth a fart for much of last season and all of this season, bar the odd bit of genius. So shall we sell him ? What do you think Osterdal ? Afterall you seem to be a bit of a football whizz.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, what has Beckham ever done for United? He's only been one of our best players for the past 5-7 years. After returning to team after being dropped last season he was as good as ever. Then came the injury and he hasn't been performing that well so far this season but it's coming.
I think it is important to remember why he was bought. He had won the league the three previous seasons, the last two at a stroll. We needed that something extra to win the Eurpean Cup. Seb was meant to provide it. His performances in Europe are generally better than those in the league. If he contributes to us winning the European Cup he was worth it. If we dont win and he contributes to us losing the league he wasn't worth it.
Winning the league in 1993 was fantastic, twenty six years waiting was over. Winning in 2001 seemed fairly unimportant because it was expected. THE trophy had become the European Cup. Fergie had to try something to raise us another notch from a very high standard. It might fail but we had to try.
Winning the league in 1993 was fantastic, twenty six years waiting was over. Winning in 2001 seemed fairly unimportant because it was expected. THE trophy had become the European Cup. Fergie had to try something to raise us another notch from a very high standard. It might fail but we had to try.
Originally posted by dicko:
<strong>If he contributes to us winning the European Cup he was worth it. If we dont win and he contributes to us losing the league he wasn't worth it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's a fair point. If he helped us to win the CL I think most of us will like him. But the point is: If Fergie really bought him for the CL, FGS don't use him in PL anymore! I certainly don't want to see him "contributes to us losing the league" one more time....
outside of the bubble that is football, of course, nobody is worth that kind of money when you think of the wages of a nurse or a fireman etc.
However, even in the ridiculous world of footballing finance, I think this transfer and the ferdinand transfer represent the silly side of an already silly world.
They won't happen again IMO.
Has veron been worth it? up to now, not even close.
However, even in the ridiculous world of footballing finance, I think this transfer and the ferdinand transfer represent the silly side of an already silly world.
They won't happen again IMO.
Has veron been worth it? up to now, not even close.
have to say i only saw the itv highlights of your game at fulham, but i don't actually think i heard veron's name once on the commentary, and in fact the first time i saw him at all was catching the ball at the final whistle. bizarre. and certainly not good enough for a guy who's supposed to dictate games and make you lot tick.
I was really excited when we signed him. I even thought it wasnt a bad price (compared to Real's spending). I then defended him for a season expecting him to come good. I was delighted to be at the Olympiakos game and was once again convinced that he was about to come good.
Sad to say that its looking like he'll never fit in. I hope he continues to do the biz in Europe, then we can sell him at the end of the season. Such a shame
Sad to say that its looking like he'll never fit in. I hope he continues to do the biz in Europe, then we can sell him at the end of the season. Such a shame
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>I was really excited when we signed him. I even thought it wasnt a bad price (compared to Real's spending). I then defended him for a season expecting him to come good. I was delighted to be at the Olympiakos game and was once again convinced that he was about to come good.
Sad to say that its looking like he'll never fit in. I hope he continues to do the biz in Europe, then we can sell him at the end of the season. Such a shame
If he win the CL for United, would you still want to sell him?
Originally posted by osterdal:
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Yeah, what has Beckham ever done for United? He's only been one of our best players for the past 5-7 years. After returning to team after being dropped last season he was as good as ever. Then came the injury and he hasn't been performing that well so far this season but it's coming.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But what has that got to do with anything ? Saying that Beckham has been one of the best players for the past 5 - 7 years means nothing if he has been very poor for the past 2 ! That would be like refusing to sell Brian Robson in the 90s because he was so good for us. True to say that Brian was past it, and Beckham isn't, but my point is that you can not use that as an arguement. In a nutshell Bex has been MUCK since the middle of last season and has underperformed, as has Veron - so by your arguement, Beckham is as bad as Veron right ?
I never said anything to the extent that Bex has done nothing for United ! That would be silly, what I WAS saying is that the same claims you make for Veron are currently applicable in Beckham's case also, and have been for almost 2 years now - yet NO-ONE on this site holds up the "Sell Beckham" flag. I don't either because I would rather hang on to him - but equally I would hang on to Veron.
Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
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But what has that got to do with anything ? Saying that Beckham has been one of the best players for the past 5 - 7 years means nothing if he has been very poor for the past 2 ! That would be like refusing to sell Brian Robson in the 90s because he was so good for us. True to say that Brian was past it, and Beckham isn't, but my point is that you can not use that as an arguement. In a nutshell Bex has been MUCK since the middle of last season and has underperformed, as has Veron - so by your arguement, Beckham is as bad as Veron right ?
I never said anything to the extent that Bex has done nothing for United ! That would be silly, what I WAS saying is that the same claims you make for Veron are currently applicable in Beckham's case also, and have been for almost 2 years now - yet NO-ONE on this site holds up the "Sell Beckham" flag. I don't either because I would rather hang on to him - but equally I would hang on to Veron.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How many goals did beckham score in that second half of the season?
A player is worth what the market is willing to pay for him. You can make the case that Veron has not lived up to expectations, but in the end, its a matter of simple supply and demand.