It's genuinely amazing how many of you have written the player off. Talking about him in the past tense. If you're going to use this season as a barometer, you can do that for the entirety of the squad who were here last season.
he physically looks done already by the time mainoo and gore are hypothetically first team starters he will be beyond past it physicallyPeople forget that he had Modric and Kroos alongside him at Real. He didn't have to do all the defensive work himself and when he moved forward one of those 2 covered him. In the end we will see the benefit when he works alongide young energetic players like Mainoo and Gore. They will learn a lot from him and aslo allow him some freedom from the pure DM role he has been given
I disagree. He is being asked to do too much as his partners (Mac, Eriksen, Bruno, Mason) are too busy all palaying as '10' and take no defensive duties. What surprises me is that ETH has not tried him nd Amrabal together, with one of Eriksen/ Bruno/ Mason.he physically looks done already by the time mainoo and gore are hypothetically first team starters he will be beyond past it physically
I would like to see a Midfiled of Casemiro AmrabatI disagree. He is being asked to do too much as his partners (Mac, Eriksen, Bruno, Mason) are too busy all palaying as '10' and take no defensive duties. What surprises me is that ETH has not tried him nd Amrabal together, with one of Eriksen/ Bruno/ Mason.
Casemiro was at least top-class for a season, unlike the majority of our big money signings. We won a cup and we don't get top 4 without him last season, when he arrived we were a mid-table team and would have went the way of Chelsea. I think it's too early to write him off this season, the team is in disarray and the tactics have been strange.
Mata was 26 when he signed for United, the club made no mistake signing him. Dunno how old Matic was though. Casemiro didn't want to sign a new deal so he left. Not sure about Varane..Yes we never learned from the signings of Matic and Mata when signing Varane and Casemiro, There's a reason by big clubs let these players. Varane is injury prone and Real could see Casemiro was in decline.
For the price of Casemiro and Mount we could of signing Declan Rice.
Agreed but at his pedigree it wasn’t so panic, we needed a DM, he was available, great injury record. If we were smart and actually had a Director of football and actually listened to our scouts or had reasonably good scouts we could have signed a prospect for 20-35 plus another midfielder in the de Jong mold. It’s not like we were signing a mediocre aging midfielder with a bad injury record thoughI think it was a panic buy after we failed to sign de Jong. It bought us Champions League football at least so I consider it a mixed success and he's still a first team player so... maybe not a failure exactly. A success with reservations. Ten Hag's second best signing so far, after Martinez.
Yes, but people behave like he is finished completely. Sure, he is not Casemiro from Real but he is still one level above Amrabat or McT. He is still a good player.It's an £130mil outlay if he plays out 4 years.
i mean the thought that literally the only available CDM in the entire world was casemiro is not true. We have a supposed scouting network. Use it.A fair question, but who was the realistic alternative CDM who was available to us last summer?
Yes, but people behave like he is finished completely. Sure, he is not Casemiro from Real but he is still one level above Amrabat or McT. He is still a good player.
We payed 70 mil (lets see will that be 130 mil) for world class player who will lift a team. His impact in first year was huge. He was our most important player with whom we achieved both goals for last season.You dont pay £130mil over 4 years for one level above Amrabat or McT.
You can find that in the Premier League for half the price.
He wasn't, he had a spell in the middle of the season where he was very good, he wasn't great at the start and he had a very poor ending to the season. Add in 7 games missed via suspension as well. We'd all love that good version of him, but we aren't going to get that consistently from him. Great player no doubt, but we got him too late in his career
I didn’t want him last season. Short term. Nothing left to prove. Massive money all round. I thought he’d become another Matic which would stop us buying a more suitable young player for x amount r of years. Then he proved me wrong by being our best player in patches. Also the young lads needed some leadership in the squad.
This season has proven my initial thoughts to be correct but he definitely is still a good player he just doesn’t seem fit yet for whatever reason.
The Matic comparison spot on. Great for a season but players can age quickly in football and both did/have. Need to take the Saudi money in Jan and buy a young DM .
The real pity is in the meantime Caciedo Enzo Bellingham Szobozlai etc have all moved. We really should be front of the line after Madrid for the very top young players. We’ve been way too passive in the market if there are other clubs interested it seems
People saying he had a great season are reaching. It was bad, with a few good moments. Usually goals because his general play was horrific. A real detriment to any hopes of playing progressive football.
You may not like my answer, and if it comes off as condescending I apologise because that's not my intention, but it's basically just my eyes. That's what I'm basing it off.Any evidence to say he was bad last season or just throwing that out there? The opposite argument is far stronger and has statistical and evidencial backing. BBC vote last year 53% picked him United's player of the year, but they must be all wrong. Neville said he was signing of the season in May, and made United 30% better, but he must be wrong too. He was 3rd best in his position in the league after Bruno Guimaraes and Rodri by average rating on WhoScored, but they must be wrong too. He had the third most tackles per game of any player, but he only scored goals apparently.
Put it this way.
A much worse signing than Maguire factoring in price, number of good performances and roi.
It was an objectively bad signing. Ticked every mistake we’ve been making for 10 years.
Spend months pissing about trying to sign someone else. Sign an aging player on a long term contract with high wages. Signing made after the season had already started. Delayed full involvement due to fitness/ integration.
We can't really 'afford' it, hence the FFP difficulties were now in. These type of short sighted signings have caught up with us. He wasn't our best player last season, he had a good mid season spell and was poor outside of it.
Helped us get CL but it's now very likely we've lost it again and we're stuck with his £300k+ a week contract for a heavily declining player.
He'll be hard to offload unless we're lucky that Saudi come in and he actually wants to go.
A lot of Football Manager gamers here, “buy the kid”…Is it worth 60m + enormous wages to get top 4 if that player can then (seemingly) have nothing further to contribute? I'd rather spend the money elsewhere on a younger player who can hopefully contribute to more than just one 3rd place finish.
I see… so, Real Madrid was wrong, Brazil was wrong, the pundits were wrong, the journalists were wrong, but Yagami was right. And still he can’t pinpoint what he doesn’t like about him.You may not like my answer, and if it comes off as condescending I apologise because that's not my intention, but it's basically just my eyes. That's what I'm basing it off.
I don't care what everyone else thought of him. Judging a player is subjective. What many look for in a player, and, in this case, a midfielder, is not what I prioritise. So, every time I've watched him, and his lack of attributes I want in a midfielder are on show, I can't rate his performances. I can't rate a Manchester United midfielder who is so poor on the ball. Who can't shield it. Who can't go 5 minutes without going Hollywood Hulk Hogan. Who, when we have a team pinned back in their 3rd, carelessly gives the ball away instead of playing the safe pass negating any control we built up. Who's a coin flip on whether we'll still have possession after his first touch. I could go on.
I'm just glad more people are realising how bad he is. Everything everyone has criticised him for this season, he has been guilty of since his first appearance here. His literal debut.
He was good till what I recall was an injury or suspension but I agree with the rest. Spending 50m for CL qualification sound sketchy at best. Won't that take a huge chunk of the revenue? Then you have the silent detriment of knowing he'll be due for replacement, no doubt with another 50m at least plus salaries. Is the increase in sponsorship that significant? From afar that just sounds like bad finance if money is the goal.He was a terrible transfer.
People saying he had a great season are reaching. It was bad, with a few good moments. Usually goals because his general play was horrific. A real detriment to any hopes of playing progressive football.
You get a lot of "he was worth it for securing cl football", which isn't true either, but whatever. Let's say he was the reason why. How's that working out for us? We've been on this rodeo before. Prioritising short term gain instead of long term, and then promptly getting embarrassed in Europe because we didn't take the time to build a good team.
When will people learn? This is not new.
