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Was the Casemiro signing a mistake?
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Hogwash. Midfield is the most important position in football and we’re a much more balanced team thanks to both Casemiro and Mainoo.
He’s done nothing but show passion for the club since he got here. Not legend status but it’s easy to see why he has such a cult following
We should be playing back and forth football.
Just because someone is younger doesn’t mean they’ll be a top signing, it’s not Football Manager. That’s what has Chelsea in mid-table.
Did I say United legend? Applying your own narrative there fella!
All I meant was he is good. He’s a legendary player, a beast, a boss. Of course he’s not a United legend. Not been here long enough for a start.
One of our best players last season, thought he was class for most of it.
Looks like he's not coping with the speed of the league this year. Still really good at nicking the ball off toes on the edge of the box, but he's not been able to make the tackles needed in the middle of the pitch and to make it worse he is constantly diving in late or cynically fouling so at risk of being sent off.
Looks like he's not coping with the speed of the league this year. Still really good at nicking the ball off toes on the edge of the box, but he's not been able to make the tackles needed in the middle of the pitch and to make it worse he is constantly diving in late or cynically fouling so at risk of being sent off.
Yes. No long term planning. Now we have to sign his replacement in the summer, only 2 years after we signed him.
Our midfield setup is appalling and displays no tenets of how a functional midfield should be constructed. It doesn’t facilitate the short, compacted space that encourages cerebral play over hard running at 100mph in one direction or another. Basically, you need very athletic players at or around the height of their physical prime to bridge the gaps cover the acres of space we offer the opposition to run into if they beat the initial press - it is way, way too much open space for an ageing Casemiro to cover, and even in his pomp, he was part of a proper midfield that never overextended any component. So what we’ve done is place him in a midfield that asks far more of him than he ever had to do, and done it an age where he should be doing less hard running and playing the game more in his mind and reading to sweeping.
We haven’t catered to his attributes in the slightest and with that being the case, he definitely should be sold in the summer. In a different team, where he is catered to, we’d get to see just how useful and effective he is or is not, but what’s for sure is the way we currently ask him to play, he will look like the game is too much for him and that he’s struggling to keep up with the play/league. Casemiro was never a Kante type, so expecting him to run around making key sprints every other minute is absurd; he isn’t capable of it.
We haven’t catered to his attributes in the slightest and with that being the case, he definitely should be sold in the summer. In a different team, where he is catered to, we’d get to see just how useful and effective he is or is not, but what’s for sure is the way we currently ask him to play, he will look like the game is too much for him and that he’s struggling to keep up with the play/league. Casemiro was never a Kante type, so expecting him to run around making key sprints every other minute is absurd; he isn’t capable of it.
I don't agree that we signed the wrong calibre of player. He's a high profile player who is a winner, ambitious, and brought a lot to the club last season. However, I am disappointed by his performances this season. He seems notoriously slow to start and seems to take a large number of games to hit his stride. Without looking into the situation too much, I question his fitness regime, especially at the intensity required for the league. On that note, I question the same thing for the vast majority of our squad. It's something that needs to be looked at.
On paper, Casemiro and Mainoo seem like a very solid and tough midfield pairing. But, from what I've seen so far, Mainoo is very mobile and nimble, whereas Casemiro seems to be second to almost everything, lunging in and quickly accumulating cards. I do think that there is a place for him at the club, but we 100% have to go to the window again this summer for the midfield positions. We need somebody who is mobile, can keep the ball, and is able to spot a pass. A ball-keeper to compliment what Mainoo can do.
On paper, Casemiro and Mainoo seem like a very solid and tough midfield pairing. But, from what I've seen so far, Mainoo is very mobile and nimble, whereas Casemiro seems to be second to almost everything, lunging in and quickly accumulating cards. I do think that there is a place for him at the club, but we 100% have to go to the window again this summer for the midfield positions. We need somebody who is mobile, can keep the ball, and is able to spot a pass. A ball-keeper to compliment what Mainoo can do.
It's a mistake because we invested huge money on short term when we are nowhere near in winning the league. Now, we need to invest the money again to buy new one to rebuild.
At the beginning many or some people were against signing Hojlund because he's still too young, and people wanted Kane. But now, lot of people seem to be pleased that we invested the money for future like Hojlund rather than for short term. Invested on young players for future is better signing for us considering that we are still nowhere near in the level of winning or challenging the league.
At the beginning many or some people were against signing Hojlund because he's still too young, and people wanted Kane. But now, lot of people seem to be pleased that we invested the money for future like Hojlund rather than for short term. Invested on young players for future is better signing for us considering that we are still nowhere near in the level of winning or challenging the league.
Big fan of his when he was at real but hesitant on signing him due to age and a lot of mileage in his legs.
I wanted Bissouma that summer and long term that probably would've been a better buy. Frankie De Jong who was the initial target I didn't want as he's basically what Mainoo gives us but a little better. Not a DM.
If we can get a good young DM in to rotate with Cas that'd be ideal. Something like a £40m DM, a £40m ball playing CM to replace Eriksen/Amrabat and Mitoma for around £50m would be a very good window for the gaps we have in our team currently. If we could sell Antony and Mount for a decent fee and bring Greenwood back that would be the cherry on top.
I wanted Bissouma that summer and long term that probably would've been a better buy. Frankie De Jong who was the initial target I didn't want as he's basically what Mainoo gives us but a little better. Not a DM.
If we can get a good young DM in to rotate with Cas that'd be ideal. Something like a £40m DM, a £40m ball playing CM to replace Eriksen/Amrabat and Mitoma for around £50m would be a very good window for the gaps we have in our team currently. If we could sell Antony and Mount for a decent fee and bring Greenwood back that would be the cherry on top.
Obviously they'd have to be young and good. Chelsea's problem is they have signed too many players too young, too quickly and not good enough.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to argue that giving Casemiro such a long contract and paying such a large fee was a bad idea due to his age.
The physical aspect is true but he's only been worse than expected with his passing and reading of the game. He is careless with the ball in a way our midfield can't afford especially with Bruno also playing. I'd sell asap
He was good for about 10 games last year. Must get rid.
I didn’t watch him too match at Real, I am surprised at how adventurous and care free his passing is with us. Thought he would be more conservative, even though it’s nice to see some of his progressive pay off some times. Like you mentioned, we can’t afford that with Hollywood Bruno playing as well. One of them needs to tone down or get replaced
You didn't watch Madrid.
I love how our form is improved with Case back in the team.
He’s playing a rushed and unsettling role that he isn’t the right profile for. Put him in a proper 3-man midfield and the requirements change as does the range he’s expected to pass over. With shorter passing, it’s easier to hit your mark, but by trying to have him be more expansive than he is capable of, the margins for error increase exponentially. You have to remember that at Real, his main job was to sweep up for Modric and Kroos and then relay short passes to either one for them to be progressive with. What he does here was never his remit, so it ‘exposes’ him more than he should be, and worse, at an age where he’s on an organic decline anyway.
If you really want to see how much he’s actually declined, place him conditions he’s familiar with and see how good/bad at the jobs which he made his name off of.
We just need to find a Kroos and Modric for him shouldn't be too hard.
I agree a lot of the blame goes to ETH both for the structure surrounding him and the instructions given to him within that structure.
Functional cogs in a functional midfield would be grand.
He's legs seem to be gone, he's still class on some aspects of the game but his physically struggling with the league. Seems to be run past by any half speedy player these days. Also the fact that he seems to be a target for referees doesn't help as he's yellow carded pretty fast and he can't challenge for duels anymore.
If the Arabs come calling this is the time to sell, he'll only become slower and slower as years go by.
If the Arabs come calling this is the time to sell, he'll only become slower and slower as years go by.
A lot of fans are more intrested with who a player has played for before rather than what kind of player they are now and will be going forward.
Yes, and it seems the people in charge of your club aren't much better. Hopefully the new regime will be better at spotting talent and develop a clear recruitment strategy. No more over-paying for players who are on the decline. Casemiro for £20-25mil (a la the Jorginho transfer) might have been reasonable but not at £60mil.
He's a very good player but he's clearly past his prime. He has a ridiculous tendency to keep lunging after being booked.
It was always a short term transfer. The work to be done now is to identify a centre mid to replace him.
In the long term it was a bad deal. He’s a good player but his age and constant bans/injuries make it a bad deal for the club.
Endomorph? The concept is utter nonsense.
I still think good signing, good for Mainoo to learn from and hopefully will ve difference in us getting CL
Short termism at its finest. Always great for a season or two (or half in this case), then comes the regret.
But a lot of the equivalent signings like Schweinsteiger for example weren’t even good for a season. At least Casemiro has been good, which can’t be said for a lot of players at the club. For that reason I don’t think he’s been a mistake.
Its 100% a mistake and classic bad signing of the Glazer era. A high profile signing to appease fans, but not what we need. RM keeping doing us over and we keep buying their rejects. Souness was 100% right, wasted a load of money and he already needs replacing. It was clear from start of season his legs had gone, an increasing liability as his passing is not great and he is too slow for PL. So what if we won a tin pot trophy, we need to build a proper team. Money would have been far better saved for Rice who would give us 6-7 years at the top.
Yes...but we never seem to learn. We should have never signed another older DM after we saw how quickly Matic declined once his legs started betraying him. Should have always gone for a younger DM, even if it meant that we didn't win the mickey mouse cup last season and finished outside the top 4. Long-term planning is much more important than short term signings which hurt in the longer term. We spent 100m on trasnfer fees and probably another 100m in wages on those two for what like a combines 60-70 good games in total? Not good, imo.
RM's rejection was kept good record (i.e. Robben, Sneijder , Ødegaard etc). The only thing is....Glazer cannot choose the good one, they chose the big one
Signing wasn't a mistake, maybe the wages and length were but we wasn't going to get him without the other.
He was worth it last year on his own where he really dragged the team through at points last season. This season he's not been great but he's also but been able to get a rhythm with injuries.
He was worth it last year on his own where he really dragged the team through at points last season. This season he's not been great but he's also but been able to get a rhythm with injuries.
We were never qualifying for the Champions League last season without Casemiro, financially he recouped a lot of the fee by leading us there, even if we went out in the group stages.
Also we've 24 points in the 12 games he's played, and 20 points in the 13 games he hasn't played this season. If he's so bad, then why is the team worse without him?
Casemiro was always something of a stop gap gamble, but it will be good for Mainoo to get a season or two experience alongside this guy.
Definite mistake.
I take the argument he qualified us for the CL and recouped some money. It's some mitigation rather than being awful from start to finish. But that's really just one single aspect, the financial one.
The other side is we now have a player that is a worry going into every game. There's the opportunity cost of the fact we could have made a far better decision that we'd now be benefiting from, like we are with Hojlund. It's the usual stuff you miss when you go for these end of career signings. We went for the here and now hoping beyond hope he'd have longevity but now we have the not altogether unforeseeable outcome and the inconvenience of the fact we have to visit the market for the exact position we looked at a year ago.
I take the argument he qualified us for the CL and recouped some money. It's some mitigation rather than being awful from start to finish. But that's really just one single aspect, the financial one.
The other side is we now have a player that is a worry going into every game. There's the opportunity cost of the fact we could have made a far better decision that we'd now be benefiting from, like we are with Hojlund. It's the usual stuff you miss when you go for these end of career signings. We went for the here and now hoping beyond hope he'd have longevity but now we have the not altogether unforeseeable outcome and the inconvenience of the fact we have to visit the market for the exact position we looked at a year ago.
I'm trying to remain optimistic about him, that he'll fully adjust to the premier league and show his quality again consistently for many years. It's a fairly baseless optimism I know, but there's been many mid-30's centre midfielders well capable of excelling in this league. Admittedly they usually played here most of their careers.
It’s pretty much obvious. Another Schweinsteiger but £60m more expensive
You must be an endomorph in denial.