Vinicius Junior

First hits a keeper, and then wants to fight the referee, how long should he be banned for? Being Real Madrid player I reckon for one game. Imagine the length of a ban if one of our player wanted to kick the referee :lol:

giorno said:
Wonder why that is....I mean, it's not like we can trace this behaviour pretty much exactly with the beginning of one of the most vile racial abuse campaigns a player has suffered in decades.... :rolleyes:
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Have the keeper and referee racially abused him or he will just kick random people because some other random idiots are racially abusing him in completely irrelevant incidents led to this?
 
harms said:
Can we? You'd know better so it's a genuine question, I don't watch Madrid week in week out. I felt like he was always acting like that — diving, constantly arguing with other players and officials etc., but I don't really know the timeline. And it may be a retroactive thing (as in my memory playing tricks on me).
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He was, but he wasn't any more out of control than say, a Bruno Fernandes. This level of lack of self-control tracks with the start of the racist campaign against him across nearly every away ground in Spain
harms said:
A quick google points to the game against Barcelona in 2021 as the first racist incident against Vini after which there were so many but maybe there were different ones earlier on that went unreported (I'd assume so)? Or did he really change that much since 2021/22 in terms of his behaviour?
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The start of 22/23 is when it really kicked off
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Edit: I can't really imagine how it was playing under such scrutiny and constant abuse. But I'm not sure if I'd attribute all of his behaviour to that.
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Maybe it isn't, but the correlation is obvious at least, and ultimately it just pisses me off when people act like he's just an idiot for lacking self-control. It's a very real issue of his and one he needs professional help for
 
There's a clear correlation between Vini's behaviour and the abuse he gets, with almost every time the former leading to the latter. It's strange how some people pretend not to see it. He was beyond pathetic yesterday.
 
giorno said:
Wonder why that is....I mean, it's not like we can trace this behaviour pretty much exactly with the beginning of one of the most vile racial abuse campaigns a player has suffered in decades.... :rolleyes:
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Valencia fans were blatantly racist, no doubt about that. But Vinicius attitude and antics are fuel to all the hate he receives and yesterday he was acting miserable. Was the referee being racist too? If Valencia fans are so racist why is it they don’t go and also bully the rest of Madrid’s squad? More than half of their starting eleven are black/non-spaniards and I don’t see a bunch of racists trolling them as it happens with poor innocent Vini.

Oh, and it’s laughable that Madrid fans complaint when Barcelona files injunctions against red cards or the Dani Olmo case but if it’s Vinicius wanting to kick a referee it’s fine, ban him for 2 matches. Not saying I approve any of the clubs decisions but both benefit form their status and like to jump over the rules. If this was Almería or any other team it would be 10 matches ban for a direct agression.
 
Marvin look out said:
There's a clear correlation between Vini's behaviour and the abuse he gets, with almost every time the former leading to the latter. It's strange how some people pretend not to see it. He was beyond pathetic yesterday.
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So… people racially abuse Vinicius because of his antics?
 
DWelbz19 said:
So… people racially abuse Vinicius because of his antics?
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It wasn’t phrased well but I believe the poster meant that by now Vini is behaving like a cnut and then gets abused which leads to him spiraling. Make no mistake, the guy needs professional help but everyone shouting racist shit at him should go to jail and receive a lifetime ban.
 
DWelbz19 said:
So… people racially abuse Vinicius because of his antics?
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Unfortunately, yes. They hate Vini because of his antics and use racial insults to hurt him. That's what a lot of people do in life. It's an explanation, not a justification. If they hated Vini purely because of his skin colour, then the other black players at Madrid would have been targeted as well. To my knowledge they haven't. Besides the racial abuse against him is a rare occurence, found mainly at Atleti and Valencia. Usually he just gets booed at away stadiums and that's it. Only him, not his teammates.
 
I think he showed his true colours when he had that embarrassing tantrum over the stupid little football award show. Just can't warm to him after that.

On this red card though, the keepers theatrics were pathetic.
 
He needs to learn how to channel his frustrations into the game to his advantage.

Maybe I'm suffering from dementia, but I can't recall this level of vitriol from opposing crowds since Ronaldo in England after that world cup. So I'm not dismissing these hurt feelings from him. That said, I don't see this changing anytime soon, because he loves the attention AND there are a few to many idiots who may shout something offensive or racist to try and throw him off.

And I don't think his seniors from Brazil are well experienced to explain the challenges that come with this sort of vitriol that has a racial tinge as part of mentoring him.

I honestly think he needs to reach out to several athletes across all sports who have similar travails and can relate to his background and journey. Basketball comes to mind. He may need a translator, but he needs to speak to Michael Jordan and LeBron James*.

The potential for all time greatness is there. He just needs to channel everything that is being thrown at him into fuel for his ambitions. There's no one else like him in today's game, would be a waste of his tantrums are the memory most are left with.

*I initially thought of Terrell Owens :lol:
 
Easily the most unhinged and odious little twat of a player in recent memory, and that's saying something considering Brazil had plenty of them with Diego Costa and Neymar leading the line.
 
He got just two games even though his teammates stopped him from kicking the referee. :lol: Apparently the punishment was just for hitting the keeper, they ignored that he wanted to attack the referee.

Again wanted to get in a fight last night but was stopped by Ancelotti and his teammates, even though he was on the bench when the players on the pitch were having a situation.
 
Adz_99 said:
I think he showed his true colours when he had that embarrassing tantrum over the stupid little football award show. Just can't warm to him after that.

On this red card though, the keepers theatrics were pathetic.
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Yep...no fan of Vinicius but the keeper here is an absolute joke.....His own fans should call him out for this, as fans of all clubs should if their players do it....it'd soon stop. Ive only seen from one angle but no way a sending off
 
Amar__ said:
He got just two games even though his teammates stopped him from kicking the referee. :lol: Apparently the punishment was just for hitting the keeper, they ignored that he wanted to attack the referee.

Again wanted to get in a fight last night but was stopped by Ancelotti and his teammates, even though he was on the bench when the players on the pitch were having a situation.
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Really, you are not doing yourself any favour with your braindead comments. Vinicius didn't want to start anything. Maffeo was just doing his Maffeo things. But how would you know this? I don't expect from English fans any decent knowledge about Spanish football.

You dislike Vinicius? Fine, but you will have to find a way to cope with that feeling, because he isn't going anywhere. You are witnessing greatness.

As for the game against Valencia, can somebody post something for me? Go to Madrid's subreddit, and type Vinicius "provokes" again. You will find a very interesting video. There are two sides to every story.
 
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chamartin said:
You dislike Vinicius? Fine, but you will have to find a way to cope with that feeling, because he isn't going anywhere. You are witnessing greatness.
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He is absolutely amazing player for me, that's not even the point.

chamartin said:
Really, you are not doing yourself any favour with your braindead comments. Vinicius didn't want to start anything. Mafeo was just doing his Mafeo things. But how would you know this? I don't expect from English fans any decent knowledge about Spanish football.

You dislike Vinicius? Fine, but you will have to find a way to cope with that feeling, because he isn't going anywhere. You are witnessing greatness.

As for the game against Valencia, can somebody post something for me? Go to Madrid's subreddit, and type Vinicius "provokes" again. You will find a very interesting video. There are two sides to every story.
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Funny how he always has explanation for his antics. Do you have any explanation for this? You probably have good reason why he attacked the referee too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/F3vxa3w0yy
 
Amar__ said:
He is absolutely amazing player for me, that's not even the point.



Funny how he always has explanation for his antics. Do you have any explanation for this? You probably have good reason why he attacked the referee too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/F3vxa3w0yy
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I mean, it's his reaction to deplorable racial abuse and permissive refereeing. It's very telling that you have posted something from soccer subreddit. They never disappoint in terms of Real Madrid hate and publishing something out of context. Where is my video?

It took Tebas only something around a year to say that Yamal should be protected. Vinicius had to wait years and years for La Liga's reaction. La Liga's butchers could do everything to him without any punishment. Criminal tackles on his legs, hits in the head without the ball, even a bite in the neck. Zero reaction for years. Probably because he is not Spanish, plays for Madrid and his skin is darker than Yamal's. God forbid, that a bullied person stands up for himself.

Vinicius always in my team. If Neymar had at least 50% of his character maybe he would live up to the expectations. Vini has already outshone him in Europe.
I will enjoy a player like him (there are not many of them), and you can celebrate uninterested, apathetic, and lazy Rashfords, Martials, Sanes, de Jongs etc.
 
As somebody who luckily was never subject to racism, I find it pretty difficult to judge the antics of a player who had to endure extreme ampunts of it. I don't that such stuff just happend and leaves no mark on you and who knows how the people who are hating on him now would react to perceived injustices after such experiences. Hard to blame somebody for being thin-skinned after constant racial abuse since being a teenager.
 
Zehner said:
As somebody who luckily was never subject to racism, I find it pretty difficult to judge the antics of a player who had to endure extreme ampunts of it. I don't that such stuff just happend and leaves no mark on you and who knows how the people who are hating on him now would react to perceived injustices after such experiences. Hard to blame somebody for being thin-skinned after constant racial abuse since being a teenager.
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Footballers receive (for all the wrong and shitty reasons) tons of abuse. Racism, but also other heavy insults, death warnings, jokes about family disasters and so on. At the end of the day, it is terrible abuse and each player needs to find a way to deal with it to go on. Just look at Beckham for example
 
Zehner said:
As somebody who luckily was never subject to racism, I find it pretty difficult to judge the antics of a player who had to endure extreme ampunts of it. I don't that such stuff just happend and leaves no mark on you and who knows how the people who are hating on him now would react to perceived injustices after such experiences. Hard to blame somebody for being thin-skinned after constant racial abuse since being a teenager.
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It's not just that with him, I trully think it's the weight of being so so young at that juggernaut under the biggest spotlight and that first very problematic period and his rising to stardom what shaped many of his current behaviours.
 
Is there any reason why he doesn’t pass to other players in better positions?

Every time I watch him, he beats a player but rather than pulling it back, he shoots in a tight angle squandering the chance.

Nearly cost them the game against A Madrid.
 
He's been subpar since the Ballon D'Or ceremony.

Him and Mbappe don't have good synergy together.

I don't think it's a coincidence Mbappe has a better goal to minute ratio when Vini isn't in the team(if I'm wrong, correct me).
 
Brazilian_Ronaldo_9 said:
Is there any reason why he doesn’t pass to other players in better positions?

Every time I watch him, he beats a player but rather than pulling it back, he shoots in a tight angle squandering the chance.

Nearly cost them the game against A Madrid.
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I don't agree, he is quite pass happy
 
chamartin said:
I mean, it's his reaction to deplorable racial abuse and permissive refereeing.
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So whatever he does is okay, because racism. Ignoring the fact that other players that get racial abuse do not behave like this unhinged moron contradicts your theory. Unless you have another delusional explanation.
 
Just took a look at his Instagram and there’s a staggering amount of people casually commenting with monkey emojis.

Must be soul crushing.
 
Fugeeface said:
So whatever he does is okay, because racism. Ignoring the fact that other players that get racial abuse do not behave like this unhinged moron contradicts your theory. Unless you have another delusional explanation.
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What has he done that makes him an unhinged moron ?
 
Fugeeface said:
So whatever he does is okay, because racism. Ignoring the fact that other players that get racial abuse do not behave like this unhinged moron contradicts your theory. Unless you have another delusional explanation.
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unhinged post
 
Great player, yes he had a poor game against Atletico but that doesn't change the fact he is one of the worlds top talents right now.
The racist Spanish fans get away with way too much (any racism is too much) and I hope Vini's determination paves the way for future generations not to get so much abuse.
He is young and human so of course he will react to it at times.
It would have been easy for him to move to a PSG or City, but he seems set on achieving greatness with Madrid and sticking a middle finger to the racists in the stands, behind keyboards and in authority. I hope he achieves this!
 
Tallis said:
What has he done that makes him an unhinged moron ?
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If only the constant shoving, neck-grabbing and other violent stuff that he does to the opposition? I'm not talking about the in-game fouls either, it's usually something that happen when the ball is out of play. He's a horrible diver too.

Just a random video that I found in a few seconds, apparently everything in it is from 2023.


I sympathize with him regarding the racial abuse stuff, I don't think any other footballer today gets the same amount of racial abuse as Viní, not even close. Yet, in terms of his behaviour, he is one of the least likable characters in world's football... Suárez-light with the racism thing being the other way round though.

Should go without saying, but I feel that I still need to specify: being unhinged, annoying and provocative doesn't warrant racial abuse and doesn't explain it. And, going backwards, his provocative behaviour started way before the racist campaign against him, so while those things certainly overlap at some point, neither one explains the other.
 
Fugeeface said:
So whatever he does is okay, because racism. Ignoring the fact that other players that get racial abuse do not behave like this unhinged moron contradicts your theory. Unless you have another delusional explanation.
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"I know you're getting called a monkey and hearing monkey noises and insults by hundreds of people every game but please react the way i like"
 
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