Whilst the point stands, if you're going to try and be sarcastic you might want to get your facts straight. He's Kenyan, not from Zimbabwe.
Victor Mugabe Wanyama
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Whilst the point stands, if you're going to try and be sarcastic you might want to get your facts straight. He's Kenyan, not from Zimbabwe.
It was part of the joke that he quote that I replied to, the previous poster mentioned he will cost 5 trillion dollars, a reference to the Zimbabwe's hyper inflated currency...
And I assume you read my whole post where I clearly said he was from Kenya so I don't see the point of your post?
Scored two goals yesterday. This guy has a lot going for him. Quick, fast, strong, good in the air, tough, works hard, can score goals, can play different positions.
Not sure if technically he's good enough for United yet but he's making big improvements almost weekly.
Not sure if technically he's good enough for United yet but he's making big improvements almost weekly.
his technique is very average
The fact he was only brought to my attention because he scored 2 goals in a game in Scotland rather than his outstanding passing or technique says a lot.
Where was the bump after a midfield masterclass?
Where was the bump after a midfield masterclass?
Some people are going to look very foolish when he moves to England in January/the summer.
It actually was a midfield masterclass from him on Saturday, regardless of the league he plays in. I'm extremely confident he'll be able to perform to a high standard in matches against Steve Sidwell, Dean Whitehead and co
Average technique? His technique is improving all the time. He's a 21 year old defensive midfielder, man. If anyone is expecting Iniesta then they're in for a shock. He's like Yaya Toure except much younger. Great potential and would do a better job in United's midfield than Fletcher or Anderson would do, imo.
It actually was a midfield masterclass from him on Saturday, regardless of the league he plays in. I'm extremely confident he'll be able to perform to a high standard in matches against Steve Sidwell, Dean Whitehead and co
Average technique? His technique is improving all the time. He's a 21 year old defensive midfielder, man. If anyone is expecting Iniesta then they're in for a shock. He's like Yaya Toure except much younger. Great potential and would do a better job in United's midfield than Fletcher or Anderson would do, imo.
You cannot improve your technique past the age of 16. You are born with a certain amount of it.
You are born with it, but hours and hours of work and you'll improve. Look at Ronaldo, and the strides he's made in his game since joining us.
Nope, 16 is the cutoff limit. I'm shocked that you're even arguing about it. It's the well written rule that technique can't improve.
Ah right. 
Apologies Sarni. Think he got banned not too long before I was up.
Apologies Sarni. Think he got banned not too long before I was up.So in your world - if you never touch a ball before 16 - the technique you have the first time you touch the ball is how good you will be regardless if you train 3 hours a day for the next 6 years.
And imagine that football clubs actually spend hours training technique...they don't know much do they ?
As he is now, no way
As he is now, no way
I brought his age up because you're slagging his technique like it's relevant. He's a young defensive midfielder. Who expects great technique in a player like that? It's a bonus not a necessity.
More Gattuso than Yaya Toure? That's your opinion but you don't think United could benefit from a young Gattuso in their midfield?
Not bad technique for a player who's main role in the team is to win the ball back as quickly as possible and who's greatest strengths are his physicality and tackling.
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Probably because nobody had heard of him until they read a wummy transfer rumour and started YouTube wanking
It is irrelevant. Average technique is average technique. Whether you are aged 16, 20 or 30. It's merely a description of the level of technique being displayed. Rather than a declaration about the ability he will have through out his career.
TBH I only expect great technique from any player being called a young Yaya Toure/Essien as has been said of Wanyama in some quarters. Simply because those players had great technique at that age. It's only things like awareness and game reading that were all over the place.
Which all have nothing to do with great technique being a necessity for all players, for that matter. Or it being a necessity for Wanyama either. I've simply described Wanyama's technique as it currently is, especially in comparison to those he is compared to when they were his age. Nothing more needs to be read into that.
Yes. Our midfield right now doesn't need another Gattuso. We need a player more similar to a Yaya Youre. A player similar to or better than the now departed Pogba.
We already have our 'older' Gatusso in Fletcher and the 'younger' version in Tunnicliffe. Having another like them won't help us ease the problems that Giggs and Scholes inevitable retirement will give us.
I never said his technique was bad. I called it average instead. Bad and Average do not mean the same thing. Besides, we both know bonafide acclaimed footballers of that very role he plays who have had and save worse technique than he does.
The only reason I feel his technique is an issue is because I feel united need to improve on their current level of technique in the center of the pack to compete with the likes of Barcelona in the future. Especially when looking to add players with more physicality than our current midfield crop.
How did he get on against some decent opposition yesterday?
Just for the record; Yaya Toure was playing in Ukraine when he was the same age as Wanyama. Some people in this thread are talking utter bollox.
I have been more and more impressed with Wanyama everytime I have watched him play. He has added goals to his game recently and I feel that a Premiership team should definitely take a punt on him. His brother got a transfer to Inter and I feel that Victor Wanyama is the better of the two.
I have been more and more impressed with Wanyama everytime I have watched him play. He has added goals to his game recently and I feel that a Premiership team should definitely take a punt on him. His brother got a transfer to Inter and I feel that Victor Wanyama is the better of the two.
Didn't get to see their match but Sky and ITV pundits were raving about his performance.
Victor MUGABE Wanyama could certainly help dictate from midfield.
Reasonably well. Brown was better - a more disciplined and ruthless defensive midfielder - as he is most times I watch Celtic. Wanyama's got the tools to play in the Premiership, but Chief's correct insofar as he lacks the ability on the ball necessary for a team which seeks to dominate possession.
Rejected a new contract. Wouldn't be surprising to see him leave in the summer. Don't think Celtic would allow him to go in January but for the right price it could be possible.
Lennon was valuing him at £25 million though
Lennon was valuing him at £25 million though
Rejected a new contract. Wouldn't be surprising to see him leave in the summer. Don't think Celtic would allow him to go in January but for the right price it could be possible.
Lennon was valuing him at £25 million though
His agent is a fat money grabbing cock which is why he's rejected the contract offer. "But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that he lost great earning potential in the summer [by not moving to England]." Disappointing quote.
I don't see anything wrong with Lennon making a statement of intent that we won't be shafted by arrogant English clubs who'll deem it okay to offer about 4-5m for him and then go and pay up to 17m for a highly inferior player in Jack Rodwell. Anyone wants him then pay what you would if he was playing for another English team or else no deal.
Hard to judge how good players are north of the border the standard is that pathetic, I don't think even someone like Lennon could believe he will get anywhere close to that fee bidding will probably start around 5m but i would be surprised if many clubs went much further than 10m especially if the player is pushing for a move.
Rodwell is young and english which automatically adds around 5 million to his fee. Plus the fact that City bought him enables clubs to get that bit extra as they know they can pay anything they want.
I wouldn't have thought Celtic would be in a position to hold out for a lot of money, but perhaps i am wrong.
Also you have to wonder how good Rodwell would look playing in the Celtic midfield in the SPL, I wouldn't be so sure he is a inferior player although it's clear injuries have damaged his development.
Rodwell may look good in the SPL but he wouldn't be as good as Wanyama is. Wanyama's also been brilliant in 3 Champions League matches this year. So much so that even the mainstream pundits are starting to notice and praise him which believe me, when you're playing for a Scottish team, is an unbelievable feat.
Lennon doesn't seriously expect 25m, nobody does. I'd imagine he's trying to scare teams off although he doesn't need to anyway as the club holds all the cards. He's under contract until 2015. I think it was tongue in cheek but with a serious undertone.
Craig Gordon went to England for 9 million. Alan Hutton went to England for 9 million. It doesn't matter if he's playing in the SPL, if Sunderland are entitled to 20 million for Jordan Henderson then there's no way Celtic should sell a player attracting the attentions of England's top clubs for anywhere close to 5 million. feck, Palacios went to Spurs for 12m.
Lennon doesn't seriously expect 25m, nobody does. I'd imagine he's trying to scare teams off although he doesn't need to anyway as the club holds all the cards. He's under contract until 2015. I think it was tongue in cheek but with a serious undertone.
Craig Gordon went to England for 9 million. Alan Hutton went to England for 9 million. It doesn't matter if he's playing in the SPL, if Sunderland are entitled to 20 million for Jordan Henderson then there's no way Celtic should sell a player attracting the attentions of England's top clubs for anywhere close to 5 million. feck, Palacios went to Spurs for 12m.
Nevertheless, why should anyone pay any more for him than the minimum fee your club would accept?
They shouldn't, what I'm saying is, the minimum fee in the buyer's eyes should be the same minimum fee they'd expect and be willing to pay if it was Victor Wanyama of Stoke and not Victor Wanyama of Celtic.
Brilliant is a generous description given Celtic have ceded control of the midfield in each of their three Champions League games so far.
Still, Lennon's right to demand a decent fee from a league which pays £25m for mediocrity like Bent, Milner and Lescott, especially given comparable talents such as Jelavic or Fletcher have been picked up from the SPL for a pittance.
Still, Lennon's right to demand a decent fee from a league which pays £25m for mediocrity like Bent, Milner and Lescott, especially given comparable talents such as Jelavic or Fletcher have been picked up from the SPL for a pittance.
Didn't Liam Miller do well in the CL and attract a lot of hype from the media, in fact there has been quite a few players come from the SPL reputation and done nothing. Don't get me wrong the lad may come to England and do fantastic but one of the reasons he may not attract the same fee as similar players who play for PL clubs is that they have already proven themselves in the top league where coming from Celtic he would be playing in a league where the vast majority of teams would not be good enough for the English second division.
Miller's an interesting one because United signed him on the basis of his performances in the Champions League where he did a lot more than he ever did in the SPL. I agree with your general point although the biggest money signings from up here - Hutton and Gordon - could attribute their fall from grace to injuries rather than necessarily getting 'found out'. The gulf in their level of performance for the national team - pre and post-injury - is evidence enough.
I think Hutton might be a bit different in that he was obviously very highly rated - from memory Fergie praised him a couple of times - but he was never an especially good defender. But in the SPL he could get away with it with his attacking play and physicality. I suspect most people assumed he would train on and develop a bit of defensive nous to go with the rest of it but defensively he's shocking and his game as a whole has gone down a couple of notches, probably, as Gio says, due to injuries.
Gordon is just blighted by injuries. When he has a run of games it's pretty apparent he's a very decent keeper who just hasn't played enough football.
Gordon is just blighted by injuries. When he has a run of games it's pretty apparent he's a very decent keeper who just hasn't played enough football.
Miller and Hutton are similar inasmuch as both had a sudden run of good form after looking mediocre-to-shit in the first few years of their careers. They caught the eye of English teams during those spells and were picked up in the expectation, that they would kick on and develop.
It never happened, obviously, and both players reverted quickly to their previous form. Miller, at least, was free...
Wanyama looks the part at the moment, and is developing every game. There's never a guarantee about how a player will develop but he certainly has the physical attributes to play in one of Europe's technically inferior leagues, such as England. Given time he might turn out to have the ability to play in a more skilful league.
Celtic won't (and shouldn't) let him go for less than £10m, I reckon. I suspect he'll sign a new contract over the next few months and then leave in the summer...
It never happened, obviously, and both players reverted quickly to their previous form. Miller, at least, was free...
Wanyama looks the part at the moment, and is developing every game. There's never a guarantee about how a player will develop but he certainly has the physical attributes to play in one of Europe's technically inferior leagues, such as England. Given time he might turn out to have the ability to play in a more skilful league.
Celtic won't (and shouldn't) let him go for less than £10m, I reckon. I suspect he'll sign a new contract over the next few months and then leave in the summer...
Yeah like the Andorran league, they ooze technique and skill there.
Looks brilliant tonight, and not just because he's scored
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