Think you are being a tad harsh. He's a work in progress for them, but certainly looks better than he did last year.
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Think you are being a tad harsh. He's a work in progress for them, but certainly looks better than he did last year.
Naismith was outstanding against Chelsea, passing and moving all game.. its his name which suggests he's shit.
You need to listen to Alastair more - Naismith was shite against Chelsea. Headless chicken.
Naismith would get a game up front for Arsenal.
Yeah you are spot on. I thought he was toxic againt Chelsea bar his goal.
Average and limited.
Unfortunately it seems to be that way. Really struggles on the ball
Anybody changed their mind on him yet? Some of the assessments of him are/were laughable.
He's not average. That's for sure. Could play for better teams and he probably will. One of those players that stood out in a poor league, moved up and got better. Only 23 but, and don't be mad at me for saying it, the best Kenyan to ever play football.
He's been a brilliant player for Southampton after a slow adaption period. It's evident in here that plenty don't rate him but at 23, he's proven to be one of the best in the league at what he does.
I'm not going to say Kenyan footballers are shit, but if Craig Gardner was Kenyan, he'd be up there too.
Good player, not Manchester United standard though. We need more top quality.
A well-rated young player that struggled at first in the PL but now has found his footing? Well now I've heard of everything!
Absolute monster. Have said since I seen him at Celtic we should be after him.
He's better than any of our deep midfielders. Far rather him than Morgan Schneiderlein.
He's better than any of our deep midfielders. Far rather him than Morgan Schneiderlein.
He is a decent player but, we are not in the same dire straights where we were in the past and it seemed like any decent midfielder would improve our side. He is not better than the midfielders we currently have so not a worthwhile signing.
Maybe Carrick of some seasons ago. Right now though everyone would want the big boy in their side. However Carrick can ping the ball around in a way Wanyama could only dream about.
Which is what van Gaal will want. With a possession dominant style to our game now, I highly doubt van Gaal will want a player like Wanyama. He'd see an awful lot of the ball and be expected to circulate it well.
He's no Paul Scholes but the sort of passing we're seeing from our current lot, Wanyama can do. You're talking as though he can't pass a football, when he's actually pretty good at this. Can use both feet too.
Carrick can handle the ball better that's undoubted true and ready the game well of course. But Wanyama's faster better stronger in all defensive areas.. Even only the better mobility and physical presence would bring to our team more balance and better results overall and long-term. And Wanyama is not a bad passer either. Just because he's big and beast in tackles doesn't make him bad passer but people overlook that. Certainly good enough for holding midfielder what we play. Him and Herrera woul be a great combo.
Ander could concentrate more on attacking or driving the ball forward unlike now when we have to worry when some pacier stronger player will bully Blind on counter. This is the type of player what we need.
He's alright but wouldn't want him at United. And Schneiderlin is far better.
Wanyama's pretty average and fouls way too much.
And we seek to improve upon that. Why add mediocrity?
Mediocrity? Well I guess a Welbeck fan would be an expert on that
People fall into a trap of thinking all midfielder's are the same. He's not as good a passer as Carrick. That's obvious. It's also irrelevant. You wouldn't be signing someone like Wanyama and putting him into a midfield to replace a Carrick type player. It'd be to compliment the more technically gifted player. He's not as good a footballer as ADM, Herrera, Carrick, Mata or Rooney though he's sure as hell better than Fellaini but I digress. He doesn't need to be as good a footballer as any of those guys.
Despite his apparent "mediocrity" he's playing in a team who move the ball well and play decent football (more so than United currently do) and they're still right in the mix for top 4 at the expense of United. His limitations evidently haven't held Southampton back. His distribution has noticeably improved since arriving at Southampton anyway and to the extent where I don't think he'd be a liability in any 'top side'.
There was a game v Spurs back in 2012 at Old Trafford that is still fresh in my memory because of just how bad a midfield performance it was as well as how exposed United were.
Look at the first two goals and tell me a player like Wanyama wouldn't have been crucial in there. Carrick who's been mentioned already in the thread in comparison to Wanyama can't get near Vertonghen and unforgivably just gives up chasing him. The Bale goal there's nobody even there. I know it's from 2-3 seasons ago but I still don't think it's been rectified. Blind's a good distributor but he's more of a deep lying playmaker type than a guy who's going to dominate that area of the pitch and shore up the defence as evidenced by just how bad United have been defensively this season.
Southampton are welcome to keep him. Do not want.
He's a good player but that's it, we can and should do better.
I honestly have no response other than this. It's great for him and whoever else that he has been improving but he isn't going to accelerate progression enough to warrant a purchase.
He's improved from his poor performances/passing last season. Even Le Tissier was saying earlier in the season how much he's improved from his shaky play
That said he's still well off Sneiderlin - but he is more powerful. He's about Fellaini's level in midfield, but fits into teams better because he can play the deepest role whereas Fellaini has shown he cant sense danger or track runners. Normally you'd want your strong, physical midfielder to play that role and Wanyama does.
We will be fine with Carrick and Blind as Defensive midfielders for next season I would also like to see Pearson given some game time next season so I don't think we need him.
I don't think I agree. Carrick is aging, and Blind is too easy to get past. He recycles possession well, but he has no power in him, and doesn't position himself as well as Carrick does.
He's fine in possession, people harping on in here like he's Phil Jones or something. Wanyama at £20m would be an absolute steal.
Carrick is of course coming towards the end of his career but I think he has at least one more season at this level in him. Blind has been one of our best players this season so I don't think I need to defend his place in the squad. The main reason why I would object to buying Wanyama or any other DM is that I want Pearson given some time on the pitch next season I think he could be Carricks sucesor he has all the attributes to become the DM playmaker LVG uses.
Pearson would be bullied by Wanyama. Blind is neat and tidy but he's athletically poor and players get by him too easily.
He's very good at what he does, but I think we need a Schneiderlin more than a Wanyama currently.
No we won't, for all we know Carrick could do a Rio on us next season and be a complete liability which would expose us since we are certain to have some form of European football next season, we need one more player with defensive awareness in midfield. I don't think Wanyama is our guy, though, because we can and should strive for better, So'ton would demand a fee north of £25m and we can't continue throwing around those figures for average/incomplete players.
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The only advantage Wanyama has is that he's already a PL player. At least we wouldn't get any of this "it'll take him a year to get used to playing in the PL" shit.
He would of been 10x better than any of our midfielders tonight.
I don't get how anybody could disagree he would make our midfield better either at the expense of Blind or Carrick. He is much more what we need now - steel pace, strength, legs. The same people saying he's not extraordinary world class player say that blind and Carrick are neither but that we need that kind of players in the team. Well player like this would balance us out much more than the walking, defensively week duo we have now. So called deep laying play makers just because they can pass the ball. Even Blind and Carrick can be considered surely better passers. for what we need Wanyama is not bad passer either.
Pair him with Herrera whom we give some more freedom and you'll see different better football with solid defense and good base for attacks at the same time and send Fellaini+money to Everton for Barkley..
Pair him with Herrera whom we give some more freedom and you'll see different better football with solid defense and good base for attacks at the same time and send Fellaini+money to Everton for Barkley..
hes not what we need. Its another Fellaini situation if you ask me, although he is a good player hes not a good enough passer of the ball to playing in midfield for us.
Whether it's him or someone else, we need a player like him. I don't care if he isn't Riquelme, neither was Makalele. We need real physical strength in there, coupled with mobility too, not Fellaini strength.
Wanyama would just have to sit and do a De Jong sort of role I'd imagine.
Wanyama would just have to sit and do a De Jong sort of role I'd imagine.
He would have been really really useful in a game like that.
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