Initially read the last part as "quality stupid post" which also makes sense.
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Initially read the last part as "quality stupid post" which also makes sense.
Our injury record has always been poor and when you are competing across several fronts like we were last year, you cant take chances. Look at Real Madrid for example; they have a 1st and 2nd team on deck.
And how many times was he awared chance as a CB? Hardly ever if my memory serves me right.
TFM is on loan right now.
True. Imagine not taking a chance on Aubameyang because he is Gabonese or as someone mentioned Mikitaryan because he is Armenian.
Jones is one of the options and Smalling and Rojo are not exactly an Evra either when it comes to injury records. And considering that has happened more than once to us in the last few years, I'd say it's totally understandable that Mourinho wanted to make sure something like that won't happen again.
This thread is comedy, the guy hasn't even played a competitive game for us yet!
Unless of course you class the super cup as competitive.
Unless of course you class the super cup as competitive.
We have people saying we're crying out for left and right backs, regardless of a squad that has 8 players who are all capable of playing those positions. This is the Caf, enough is never enough and our players are all average and crocks.
On paper, I don't think even Real Madrid are as well stocked as United on the CB positions.
Tuanzebe has played little as a CB, but done very well the few times he has.
TFM being on loan might very well have something to do with Lindelöf.
Lindelöf might prove world class for all I know; I just don't think it was an area where needed to prioritize.
Valencia is quality at RB, but our left backs have been underwhelming for a while now. I think most agree that Shaw has the potential, but there is a long way ahead to seeing that being fulfilled.
I think he could have trusted Tuanzebe and TFM for those rare occasions when all four are out injured, including Blind, making it five.
Comedy started prior to signing him, as he was obviously going to lead to Smalling and Jones being sold, as he was going to instantly become better than them. Hyped to the max, lad has a lot to learn. But Jose knows how to get the best out of defenders and he's got time on his side.
You are right. Real Madrid aren't that stacked in terms of CB's, but the point was that for a long time now we've suffered with a bad injury record. Tuazebe played well in his very brief appearances as a CB, but so have multiple other young CB's coming through the ranks at United only for them to show their true colors *sneeze-- Paddy Mcnair and Tyler Blackett* Thats not to say that Tuanzebe wil turn out like them but at best he is unproven just like TFM.
Smalling will be gone once Lindelof is ready.
That is how I read his coming here.
That is how I read his coming here.
Lindelof seems to have a lot of the same attributes as Blind (both in terms of strengths and weaknesses). But he's taller so he has the potential to overcome one of Blind's bigger shortcomings.
Is it odd that I still don't consider him a United player?
Is it odd that I still don't consider him a United player?
Smalling will be 28 in November. I wouldnt mind seeing him gone in the summer. He wasted his promise all these years without establishing himself at the club as a starter
Long term, I read it Rojo as moving to leftback (to compete with Shaw) and Lindelof being a squad player at centreback (to compete with Bailly, Jones and Smalling).
We still need to see how Shaw and Rojo recover first, mind you.
Rojo is terrible at LB
So if someone can't establish themselves as a starter, you should sell them? Why not keep them as squad players?
Because we can get good money for him. I would rather keep players as squad players that can push the starting players and improve further and are actually good enough to start for us. By that logic you would never sell any player, since they all can be used as squad players (Evans, Cleverley, Welbeck, Rooney,...)
He was also terrible at CB under van Gaal. Since Mourinho arrived, he's put in good performances in both positions. Unlike Lindelof, he has the pace to be decent in that position.
He really wasn't. He was pretty decent at CB until he dislocated his shoulder, and then virtually never got picked there again.
We have a shit ton of money. We are like the most valuable club in the world.
I would too, but given how much Smalling would come in handy in our annual cases of CB injuries, it would be wise to keep him. Also all those players you listed arn't even valuable enough to be squad players any more.
Just because we have money, doesnt mean we cant make smart sales. The caf complained a lot about us selling players for peanuts.
Thats not true, plenty of posters would take Welbeck, Evans and someone like Chicharito as squad players here. Even Rooney on lower wages woudlnt be an issue, ok currently that opinion wouldnt be popular due to off the field issues.
Madrid used to have 2 top CB options and great prospect in Varane. They played in less physical league and Spanish FA is more supportive to their clubs in arranging schedule. Also, Madrid arguably has had best midfield in the world to control the game and leave the defense with less work to deal with, while our midfield may still let back and forth games occur more. Last but not least winter break for La Liga teams, but not for PL teams.
Going into this season, the lack of CB options had already cost Madrid vs Valencia with Casemiro was employed in this unfamiliar position. You can check that some Madrid supporter has pointed out Pepe would have been better kept around. The CB option may prove to be Achilles's heel for Madrid this season. Time will tell.
Lindelof can play RB and is (still need to prove with us) better CB than TFM. TFM is physical type of CB so ideally to balance out his partner should be a calmer type. We have too many robust physical CB which meant TFM is pretty down the pecking order.
I think Tuanzebe role in Mourinho plan is the same as toward the end of last season. He's being slowly integrated as first teammer. I think the uproar here is due to the expectation of Tuanzebe to be a wonderkid and quickly establishing himself higher up the pecking order soon. I don't see the need to rush. He is yet to turn 20.
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Mourinho was crystal clear, he needed one more player so as to be able to play the 3 at the back.
He meant Perisic of course.
And this is the reason we bought Lindeloff too.
He is a ball playing CB and good for the back 3.
Home grown players are difficult to buy. Leave Smalling and Jones alone.
Young will leave the club and we need home grown players for the ChL squad rules.
He meant Perisic of course.
And this is the reason we bought Lindeloff too.
He is a ball playing CB and good for the back 3.
Home grown players are difficult to buy. Leave Smalling and Jones alone.
Young will leave the club and we need home grown players for the ChL squad rules.
No he wasn't. His only spell at centre half under Van Gaal was more than decent. It was roughly between the December and March of that first season, ending with a reckless challenge on Aguero in which he dislocated his shoulder. He often partnered Smalling and did so very well.
On topic, this Lindelof chat is a bit odd. He seems to play well and receives stick. Why people on this forum continue to whinge about our very good set of defenders is baffling in the extreme.
"Let's sell Smalling; let's sell Blind; why even buy Lindelof?"
Bleurgh. I mean, honestly, they're all worthy of a spot here, there's plenty of games to go around and I am routinely satisfied by the Laurel and Hardy displays over at City, Liverpool and Arsenal while we continue, for the third season running, to keep regular clean sheets.
While I respect the opinions of all people on the CAF, whether or not many posters believe xyz dosen't make xyz true. facts do. Those plenty of poster don't speak for me either. Except from Chicharito who should have been kept, none of the other players mentioned had the quality at the time they were sold to make it as a squad player.
He will get his chance in the upcoming fixtures one of them being the CL opener vs Basel and probably the league cup game as onwell. It's down to him to perform well in these games so that he can continue to gel with the rest of the team. Game time is really important especially for defenders to help develop an understanding between them. Jones and Bailly have been immense so far and they deserve to keep their places although I'm still a bit worried about Jones with his injury problems in the past. Will he stay fit until the end of the season? Can we rely on him to stay fit? I'm not so sure. Everyone will have a part to play and I suspect we'll see loads of different CB combinations throughout the season especially when you consider form, injuries, suspensions etc. Last season we started with Bailly and Blind and then Smalling came in and Blind moved to LB. Bailly got injured at Chelsea and this is when Jones came in and he formed a strong partnership with Rojo over the Christmas period. When Bailly returned he was playing with Rojo and this was our best defensive pairing IMO. The point is that there will be plenty of opportunities for Lindelof to establish himself but first he needs to focus on these coming games to get ready for the PL.
Should never play there
Partick Thistle have 8 players who are capable of playing full back. Chesterfield have 8 players capable of playing fullback. I doubt you'll find a team in the land that isn't chock full of young players who could fill in in a pinch. But we're meant to be the biggest team in England, one of the biggest in the world, and we have one good fullback in Valencia, a couple of fairly versatile players in Blind and Rojo who can play left back (but maybe shouldn't), and a load of children who will mostly end up sold.
We're desperate for a great left back, and we have no useful cover for Valencia. We're two bad injuries away from struggling to make the champions league again, and that shouldn't be the case.
Yeh, but it's been a while since he played there (Northampton in league cup I think) so the myth is about to start a boom phase in the cycle, until he's the left back we're desperate to see and half the caf clamour for, till he plays and we unanimously remember he's shit playing there.
Just most of us!I can see Jose wanting to turn this lad into an Ivanovic who can pass,
This. Lindelof has bags of potential and as someone else has said he's got a higher level of experience than Keane.
Against Bielorussia, Bielorussia.
might as well post about our defence here.
Think Mourinho brought Lindelof to partner Bailly.And as a back up for Valencia. He probably will sell Smalling next season. Rojo is still aways to be fit. He is still unsure about Shaw. Fitness, attitude and midset. When CBJ comes back next season we will have another option at LB besides Blind, who obviously can also play CB. No one expected Jones to be the monster he has become...except Mourinho. But he is a fitness worry.
TFM. I think he will end up a defensive midfielder. Back up for Matic?
Tuanzebe. Now this lad can play RB and CB and as a defensive Midfielder. I think TFM is a better player and will be the permenant replacement for Matic in a few years.
Darmain may want to return to Italy if he does not nail down a regular place.
But Mourinho has mentioned that this is about a strong squad. So he may stay and get his share of games.
Think Mourinho brought Lindelof to partner Bailly.And as a back up for Valencia. He probably will sell Smalling next season. Rojo is still aways to be fit. He is still unsure about Shaw. Fitness, attitude and midset. When CBJ comes back next season we will have another option at LB besides Blind, who obviously can also play CB. No one expected Jones to be the monster he has become...except Mourinho. But he is a fitness worry.
TFM. I think he will end up a defensive midfielder. Back up for Matic?
Tuanzebe. Now this lad can play RB and CB and as a defensive Midfielder. I think TFM is a better player and will be the permenant replacement for Matic in a few years.
Darmain may want to return to Italy if he does not nail down a regular place.
But Mourinho has mentioned that this is about a strong squad. So he may stay and get his share of games.
the state of todays market when we pay £30m+ on potential, but when all cbs are fit today, vic is 5th choice lets be honest
Because none of the defenders you mentioned off we what Lindelof has been brought to offer. An ability to play from the back changes the way we play and will cut out hoofing it from the back. That is an effective strategy especially against a high press. Someone like Smalling can't offer us that, no matter how talented he is.
It's why I really think it's stupid how some people constantly bring up Harry Maguire as an alternative signing. We are not looking for that type of defender. We are already well stocked .
It's the same kind of backward logic that had people arguing that Lukaku was a direct replacement for Ibrahamovic from last season and thus nothing had changed., without considering how their differences would change the fundamentals of our play.
Yes mates we're all doomed I tell ya.
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