Varane publicly challenges the FA over rule changes and number of games

[JB7]

Without the Pl, broadcasters etc the players don’t get the wages they’ve been getting. They’re all apart of the same puzzle with equal responsibility for the state the game is currently in.
And yes, yes they would. Kits and tickets would be a lot cheaper because they literally were. And the lower down the pyramid you go, the cheaper it is to see your team and buy mechandise.

Tickets were cheaper - merchandise not necessarily (bare in mind this article is nearly 10 years old when looking at the inflation calculations): The price of football at Christmas 1982: £2.55 a ticket - but kits cost a bomb | Football | The Guardian

In terms of tickets, I don't agree that prices would be much lower if the players were paid much less. While prices do generally fall level on level, it's not as dramatic as you would expect given the difference in costs of running the clubs - and that is despite considerable funding from the PL and TV companies to help the Football League clubs, and it is noticeable where that money slows down in the clubs ticket prices.

For example, Burnley charge £25 behind the goal and £40 along the side for Premier League football, Blackburn charge £25 behind the goal and £30 along the side for Championship football, Accrington charge £20 anywhere in the ground for League One football, Morecambe charge £20 behind the goal and £25 along the side for League Two football, Rochdale charge £20 behind the goal and £22-24 along the side for Conference football, Chorley charge £14 anywhere in the ground for Conference North football.

To look at a London example; West Ham charge £32-75 behind the goal and £55-90 along the side (they band matches C-AA which dramatically changes the prices - thank goodness for the £30 away ticket cap!), Millwall charge £28 behind the goal and £30 along the side for Championship football, Leyton Orient charge £24 behind the goal and £29 along the side for League One football, AFC Wimbledon charge £25 behind the goal and £27-35 along the side for League Two football, Dagenham & Redbridge charge £17-19 behind the goal and £23-25 along the side for Conference football, Welling charge £15 anywhere in the ground for Conference South football.

Bare in mind the dramatic drop offs for CN and CS football is largely due to those clubs being part time. But realistically match-day ticketing doesn't cover a clubs wage bill at Premier League level anymore, even Brentford with the lowest wage bill in the league last season were paying far more to wages than they took through the gate, so lowering the wage bill wouldn't automatically mean lower ticket prices.

 

[reelworld]

They should be implementing the rules by brandishing yellows (and 2nd yellows) religiously. It would then naturally stop.

For what it's worth I like the added time rule but it shouldn't need to happen if the refs dealt with it in the first place

bingo!

 

[norm87cro]

Everything beyond 6 minutes gets om my tit. And player who fake injuries to waste time should not ne allowed to play for at least 5 minutes and the problem is solved

 

[Huddsred]

The referees just need to grow a pair and start booking players for timewasting. Problem solved.

 

[MancunianAngels]

The solution to stopping time wasting is to book people after the first instance. Red card after the second. It would soon stop.

The issue with added time would be lessened if games didn't kick off at stupid times though.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

What a daft comment

Not really, put varane in a 9-5 on normal wages and he'd probably realise how stupid he sounds whinging about playing a few extra minutes a match.

Footballers don't live in reality.

 

[Escobar]

Not really, put varane in a 9-5 on normal wages and he'd probably realise how stupid he sounds whinging about playing a few extra minutes a match.

Footballers don't live in reality.

Football players body / fitness is all they have. The psychological and physical pressure is substantial, and with more and more games or minutes, their risk is also much higher. They play probably up to 60 games, 2 times a week, internationals too. It does not matter if a top CEO or a plumber complains if conditions get worse and they are at risk.
The problem is it is not just a few extra minutes. Imagine if it is 10mins more per game, over the course of the season, that's like 5-6 full games on top. In football terms, that is quite a lot. There are better ways to deal with the time wasting issues too

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Football players body / fitness is all they have. The psychological and physical pressure is substantial, and with more and more games or minutes, their risk is also much higher. They play probably up to 60 games, 2 times a week, internationals too. It does not matter if a top CEO or a plumber complains if conditions get worse and they are at risk.
The problem is it is not just a few extra minutes. Imagine if it is 10mins more per game, over the course of the season, that's like 5-6 full games on top. In football terms, that is quite a lot. There are better ways to deal with the time wasting issues too

That's the annoying thing. If these players didn't waste time then this wouldn't need to be implemented. Varane is essentially complaining about something which is completely caused by the players petty behaviour.

Maybe the players should collectively decide to stop feigning injury or kicking the ball away etc if they don't want so much time added on.

 

[Rossa]

Everything beyond 6 minutes gets om my tit. And player who fake injuries to waste time should not ne allowed to play for at least 5 minutes and the problem is solved

I really don't understand the problems here.

Give yellows readily for time wasters - and don't be apprehensive about brandishing yellows either. A goalie wasting time after 5 mins (Newcastle last season) - give him a yellow straight up. A red is coming his way next time. It'll stop as easy as that. Players who fake injuries - carry them off the field. Unless there is a neck or head injury, there should be no reason for him to stay on the pitch. I've even seen players roll back onto the pitch after they slid off, or rolled off (looking at you Neymar) the pitch when getting "injured" - carry them off. Easy peasy.

I think having matches go on for 100-110 minutes is too long.

 

[Escobar]

That's the annoying thing. If these players didn't waste time then this wouldn't need to be implemented. Varane is essentially complaining about something which is completely caused by the players petty behaviour.

Maybe the players should collectively decide to stop feigning injury or kicking the ball away etc if they don't want so much time added on.

Imo the referees need to give a warning and then yellow cards. Otherwise, it will never stop and it is annoying. But playing so many more minutes does not make sense either

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Imo the referees need to give a warning and then yellow cards. Otherwise, it will never stop and it is annoying. But playing so many more minutes does not make sense either

problem with football is it never wants to use other sports rules. It could learn a lot from rugby by introducing sin bins and stop the clock rules.

it’s a really simple solution.

 

[TheRedHearted]

Yes, the ball in play time has been shown to be as low as 54 minutes and is showing a decreasing trend. Last season was the worst on record for actual game time.

Basically the ball is spending nearly half the game dead. Which means the players themselves are spending half the game not doing a huge amount.

Time wasting is ruining the game, the sooner the players cut it out, the sooner the injury time goes back to 'normal' conditions.

You stilll gotta track players when the ball is dead if they are moving around

 

[Champ]

You stilll gotta track players when the ball is dead if they are moving around

Not to the same level of intensity as when the ball is in play, you won't be sprinting like you would chasing a ball for example.

The simple fact of the matter is football players have been playing less football than ever before.

 

[Mockney]

Really surprised at the lack of support for the workers here.

I swear our fans are becoming more and more cnutish, though I’m sure it was always thus merely less viewable. But between Qatar, Greenwood, Maguire, this and even just the lack of universal sympathy for other fans who’d shelled out near to a ton to watch our reserves in pre-season, it’s like we’re all dutifully falling into the role of ravenous soulless consumers, only bothered by the quality of the product & our instant satisfaction.

I mean it’s not like we’ve JUST come off a season where we could all see with our own eyes how utterly spent we were by about March. Let alone ignoring how this just benefits the likes of City, who can squad hoard £50m fullbacks till the cows come home. Add in the World Cup, the Euros, all manner of shit…

We all like more football but it’s obviously faster and more excertive these days, however many minutes they play… It’s clear is fecking them up. And they’d know!

Weirdos man. It’s Broken Britain… this is exactly how Na….

 

[TheRedHearted]

Not to the same level of intensity as when the ball is in play, you won't be sprinting like you would chasing a ball for example.

The simple fact of the matter is football players have been playing less football than ever before.

More games, more training sessions i imagine, less recovery time.. higher demand of football .. what’s the difference between actual minutes played n the past and now?

remember the final minutes where everyone is tired could arguably be the most dangerous minutes

 

[Nicolarra90]

I mean it’s not like we’ve JUST come off a season where we could all see with our own eyes how utterly spent we were by about March. Let alone ignoring how this just benefits the likes of City, who can squad hoard £50m fullbacks till the cows come home. Add in the World Cup, the Euros, all manner of shit…

But how spent was Elanga, how spent was Pellistri, Mc Tominay, Fred, Maguire... The problem is the misuse of a whole squad.

Now of course our level drops significantly using all our squad but that's another problem.

But I think that of you have a squad, then almost every member should be having over 1000 minutes played in the season.

Hopefully this season with a better squad we will be doing that as City does.

 

[Champ]

More games, more training sessions i imagine, less recovery time.. higher demand of football .. what’s the difference between actual minutes played n the past and now?

remember the final minutes where everyone is tired could arguably be the most dangerous minutes

Stop the time wasting and injury time will be reduced, it's all relative anyhow, the time added on is done so because they waste that time during the game.

It's not difficult to comprehend

 

[Mockney]

But how spent was Elanga, how spent was Pellistri, Mc Tominay, Fred, Maguire... The problem is the misuse of a whole squad.

Now of course our level drops significantly using all our squad but that's another problem.

But I think that of you have a squad, then almost every member should be having over 1000 minutes played in the season.

Hopefully this season with a better squad we will be doing that as City does.

Thats how it benefits City. These days overplaying everyone only benefits the oil clubs who can stock pile players. That shouldn’t be the only way to do it, let alone encouraged. Our Treble in ‘99 was done with mostly the same players. People like to go on about our striking options, but our midfield back up was Jesper Blomqvist, Nicky Butt and Jonathan Greening!

It’s a hell of a lot more strenuous on your body to play top level football now, which is why talk about minutes is pointless. Teams should play less, so they can compete with less players, and level the playing field against teams who can stockpile. It’s better for everyone

 

[TheRedHearted]

Stop the time wasting and injury time will be reduced, it's all relative anyhow, the time added on is done so because they waste that time during the game.

It's not difficult to comprehend

That has nothing to do with the congested schedule and added games or the added intensity of the game.
How does varane waste time? Or any of our players for that matter

 

[Fabio Rochemback]

Getting rid of poxy international fixtures that no one cares about would go a long way to resolve this but good luck every achieving that.

 

[Champ]

That has nothing to do with the congested schedule and added games or the added intensity of the game.
How does varane waste time? Or any of our players for that matter

Good job I'm not talking about fixture pile up then.
That's always been an issue and merely one factor that Varane is talking about.

Doesn't matter that Varane is not time wasting, other players are. We have players who decide to roll around on the floor rather than carry on just to take a bit of time out of the game, we have players who surround the ref when upset with a decision, we have players who decide to kick the ball away or whom take an age to throw the ball back into play.
Call it gamesmanship, call it experience but the simple fact is it's cheating and is taking away the amount of football that is actually played.
When people spend a ton of money, and let's not forget that football is a business now and is a product, if people are only seeing a fraction of the product they paid for then there's an issue.

 

[JuriM]

 

[jadaba]

‘It’s too much’: Uefa to avoid inflated added time in Champions League [The Guardian]

Pretty strong stance taking by UEFA against the new stoppage time approach, with its football chief labelling it 'absurd' and 'crazy' as he cites concerns for player welfare and fatigue. I guess a key consideration is that by the end of the match players are already running on empty and those additional 10 minutes have an outsized impact.

The UEFA chief also makes the point that ball-in-play time for UCL games is over 60 minutes (more than 5 mins longer than PL games), not because of added time but because they instruct referees to focus on restarting play quicker.

It seems that all the big leagues in Europe are applying the longer added time approach so it'll be interesting to see how this pans out and who changes first, clearly there isn't universal support for it.

 

[El Zoido]

It’s the wrong focus. There are simply too many games played. If they want a bigger impact then they should downsize the CL and scrap the league cup. But they won’t because $$$. If they could monetise 10 minutes of stoppage time then UEFA would be all over this idea.