Varane publicly challenges the FA over rule changes and number of games

I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.

Players seem to be perfectly happy to drive a hard bargain, to squeeze every last cent out of clubs but apparently they're not happy to play more games in order to continue attracting more revenue to the game that supports their up to 50% of turnover wages and the transfer fees within the game that they're perfectly happy to angle for when it suits them.

Managers need to manage a squad. Not just talk about having a big squad. Not moaning when you actually have to use said squad. Use it. You've got 20 odd footballers for a reason, how can they all get tired?
 
Varane will be crippled a few weeks into the season anyway so no idea why he’s moaning about it.

players just need to get on with, they just couldn’t survive in the real world.
 
We should just stop the clock every time a team has possession in their own half, really ramp up the attacking play. Who cares if the game is 3 hours real time, at least we'll get better goals highlights.
 
Squad rotation is even more paramount now. Just means the rich clubs get even richer because they will need a world class bench now to navigate the ridiculous amount of games in the season.
 
Ludens the Red said:
As true as it is, footballers themselves are half to blame for it as the likes of FIFA, Uefa are. They’ve driven up wages over the years and the consequence of that is everyone wants a piece. Clubs need to do these money spinning tours in the summer to give themselves a financial boost. Uefa have to offer more money and more games to clubs because the clubs are whining about not getting an equal share of the money. All because football players at the highest level earn obscene amounts of money.
I have little sympathy. Loads of footballers have fecked off to play in Saudi Arabia because of their incessant greed. Give it a few months before some of the European players start complaining about how it’s too hot to play football there.
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Well no, it's the other way around. I think players actually did well to get parity for the amount of money that football generated. I mean the latest Premier League broadcast rights alone worth 10 billion dollars for 3 seasons. They should get their share
 
reelworld said:
Well no, it's the other way around. I think players actually did well to get parity for the amount of money that football generated. I mean the latest Premier League broadcast rights alone worth 10 billion dollars for 3 seasons. They should get their share
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Doesn’t mean much does it when Pl clubs are taking home 3 billion a season of that money, most of which is spent on you guessed it , paying players their wages. They should get their share but also accept the more money they make the more games they’ll be expected to play because as I said everyone wants their piece. All these organisations are run by equally as greedy people, they won’t stand back and watch the players take all the cash. Pl players would garner more sympathy from the common fan over the games they played if they weren’t earning such absurd amounts. But when fans are being rinsed dry to see their team on tv or in the stands and you’re charging them £80 a kit, don’t expect the violins to be out because you had to play ‘50 minute football matches’ twice a week for a year. Didums…
 
Ludens the Red said:
Doesn’t mean much does it when Pl clubs are taking home 3 billion a season of that money, most of which is spent on you guessed it , paying players their wages. They should get their share but also accept the more money they make the more games they’ll be expected to play because as I said everyone wants their piece. All these organisations are run by equally as greedy people, they won’t stand back and watch the players take all the cash. Pl players would garner more sympathy from the common fan over the games they played if they weren’t earning such absurd amounts. But when fans are being rinsed dry to see their team on tv or in the stands and you’re charging them £80 a kit, don’t expect the violins to be out because you had to play ‘50 minute football matches’ twice a week for a year. Didums…
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The players are the last person you put the blame on this. Without olayers there'll be no league.
Kits, ticket prices that's not on the players, that's on the clubs.
Put it this way, if the clubs could paid the players pittance, you think they would keep the ticket prices down? Keep the kits cheap? Would they feck.
 
reelworld said:
The players are the last person you put the blame on this. Without olayers there'll be no league.
Kits, ticket prices that's not on the players, that's on the clubs.
Put it this way, if the clubs could paid the players pittance, you think they would keep the ticket prices down? Keep the kits cheap? Would they feck.
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Without the Pl, broadcasters etc the players don’t get the wages they’ve been getting. They’re all apart of the same puzzle with equal responsibility for the state the game is currently in.
And yes, yes they would. Kits and tickets would be a lot cheaper because they literally were. And the lower down the pyramid you go, the cheaper it is to see your team and buy mechandise.
 
acnumber9 said:
So you just made a comment without knowing what you’re talking about? As if the extra 6 minutes is going to be the problem. As far as I know the issue of people leaving early is more to do with overcrowding on the tram and traffic. That won’t change.
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I know the UK well enough to know that getting buses and trains after 10:15 is hard work. You’ll recall that I didn’t reference Old Trafford specifically.

Do you think that an arbitrary ten minutes of extra time every match is going to be good for the game? Feel free to answer that. If you’d rather flex your muscles online then just whack me on ignore, though.
 
Withnail said:
They played at a much lower intensity in decades gone by as well. It's something ex players tend not to understand. You hear ex pros giving out about players and they don't take into account they use to stroll about the place in the 70s/80s.
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Strolled about? The pitches were mud baths for much of the season, the sort of physical challenges that were an acceptable part of the game took significant toll on players whose on field treatment amounted to a wet sponge.
Nutrition awareness was barely on the agenda .Boots and the balls were heavier, also the league was made up of more teams so 42 league games not 38 FA Cups had replays sometimes more than one .
Away travel was mainly on the day none of this flying to league games or enjoying an overnight stay as a matter of course
Yes the game is played at greater intensity but please don’t underestimate the physical demands players had placed on them in the 70/80 era
 
Time wasting isn't just about time, it's also about killing the tempo and flow of the opponent's play, or should I say momentum.

The more you do that the more frustrated your opponent gets and you're able to provoke them into fights that result with even more time and momentum loss...

Sidenote:
feck Atletico Madrid
 
Kag said:
I know the UK well enough to know that getting buses and trains after 10:15 is hard work. You’ll recall that I didn’t reference Old Trafford specifically.

Do you think that an arbitrary ten minutes of extra time every match is going to be good for the game? Feel free to answer that. If you’d rather flex your muscles online then just whack me on ignore, though.
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You did say Manchester though. As far as I know you can get trams from Old Trafford post midnight. Happy to be proven wrong though as I’m not from Manchester.

It’s no more arbitrary than injury time already is. If refs do their job properly it won’t be. And those few extra minutes is unlikely to be the problem getting home. As always it will be traffic. Which will be exactly the same as it’s always been.
 
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Seems more than reasonable to me. Never liked the policy of raising the threshold for fouls and penalties - yes, it's fewer stoppages in play and adds to the intensity, but it also increases the risk of injury and hands an advantage to physicality over skill, and to destructive interference over creativity. That doesn't make for a better or more entertaining game overall, in my view.

If they want to do something about the amount of actual game time, then just do the obvious thing and introduce 30-minute halves with the clock stopped whenever the ball's out of play, like in Hockey or Basketball.
 
refs aren't strong enough on time wasting, you see players time waste over and over, refs warn them, and then eventually book them late in the 2nd half after their 3rd or 4th offence
 
I agree with the time wasting rule, the problem is it won't be applied correctly. Instead of 10+ minutes being added on when one team is blatantly taking the pee with time wasting (i.e. every Newcastle game), our refs will just add on 10 minutes to any game where one team is pushing for a goal regardless of any time wasting,y because they'll do what they do now and just go by what the score is instead of actually officiating the game properly.

The problem specifically in the premier league isn't the rules, its that the officials are god awful and have about as much integrity and accountability as Nigel Farage's tax returns
 
Also find it hard to have very much sympathy with someone saying they feel privileged at the same time as whining about having to do an extra 5 minutes work a week for their 200k per week salary.

Not a criticism of Varane as he's just echoing what every player at a CL or Europa league club would say, but just get on with it. If you can't give your best for an extra 5-10 minutes a game that's a problem for you and your manager to sort out.the manager can literally sub off half the outfield players every single game if they want. If the players are knackered and the manager keeps them on anyway, that's on them
 
Doracle said:
What is he on about? If there is less time-wasting, the games won’t be any longer. It’s really not a difficult concept. Players will now just be playing matches that are the correct length, not artificially shortened by whichever team happens to be winning.
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So surely the way about this is yellow cards for time wasting? Not to just make games longer
 
Abraxas said:
I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.

Players seem to be perfectly happy to drive a hard bargain, to squeeze every last cent out of clubs but apparently they're not happy to play more games in order to continue attracting more revenue to the game that supports their up to 50% of turnover wages and the transfer fees within the game that they're perfectly happy to angle for when it suits them.

Managers need to manage a squad. Not just talk about having a big squad. Not moaning when you actually have to use said squad. Use it. You've got 20 odd footballers for a reason, how can they all get tired?
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Have you seen the schedules? It’s a clear increase in game time. If it wasn’t for that I would be able to see your point
 
TheRedHearted said:
Have you seen the schedules? It’s a clear increase in game time. If it wasn’t for that I would be able to see your point
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So what? Just get on with it. Rotate the team. Why have 2 players for every position then use 13 or 14 just to later complain about fixture build-up? That makes no sense.

It's all about commercials and money. The sporting concerns have been secondary for a long time but they pick and choose when they acknowledge this as footballers. They go into negotiations wanting everything under the sun, where do they think it materialises from?
 
TheRedHearted said:
So surely the way about this is yellow cards for time wasting? Not to just make games longer
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They are doing this as well....kick the ball away that's a yellow, dive and roll around, yellow etc.
 
TheRedHearted said:
Have you seen the schedules? It’s a clear increase in game time. If it wasn’t for that I would be able to see your point
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It's an increase on game time for sure, but it's game time that's been steadily reducing in terms of actual in play game time.

By doing this the game actually becomes the alloted time it's meant to be.

Should the players actually cut out the gamesmanship, time wasting and petty arguements then the extra/injury time will be far less.
 
Last time they had the dissent drive they booked Diego Costa early on in the game for moaning at the refs, then let him get away with tackles like this without a second yellow so he could score the winner in the game. I predict we'll see something similar this time around.

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Abraxas said:
So what? Just get on with it. Rotate the team. Why have 2 players for every position then use 13 or 14 just to later complain about fixture build-up? That makes no sense.

It's all about commercials and money. The sporting concerns have been secondary for a long time but they pick and choose when they acknowledge this as footballers. They go into negotiations wanting everything under the sun, where do they think it materialises from?
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rotation is smart but you’re not gonna play half your starters and half squad if you really want to win the game. As for contracts, yeah they’ll get the best deal but the increase in schedule plus the modern pressing game takes a toll on all of them.
Champ said:
They are doing this as well....kick the ball away that's a yellow, dive and roll around, yellow etc.
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That’s not where the time goes though, it’s smaller things that add up.
Champ said:
It's an increase on game time for sure, but it's game time that's been steadily reducing in terms of actual in play game time.

By doing this the game actually becomes the alloted time it's meant to be.

Should the players actually cut out the gamesmanship, time wasting and petty arguements then the extra/injury time will be far less.
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Steadily reduced by how much? Is there a study for it? How much shorter are games now?

the game is increasingly more demanding now, the modern pressing game is way more demanding.
Playing a game and getting into that gear is demanding, whether or 70 or 100 minutes, it takes that toll and rest time needed is the same - is it not?
 
TheRedHearted said:
rotation is smart but you’re not gonna play half your starters and half squad if you really want to win the game. As for contracts, yeah they’ll get the best deal but the increase in schedule plus the modern pressing game takes a toll on all of them.

That’s not where the time goes though, it’s smaller things that add up.

Steadily reduced by how much? Is there a study for it? How much shorter are games now?

the game is increasingly more demanding now, the modern pressing game is way more demanding.
Playing a game and getting into that gear is demanding, whether or 70 or 100 minutes, it takes that toll and rest time needed is the same - is it not?
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That's for the clubs and manager to work out. If the players are as tired as they claim they won't help win the game will they? Can't have it all ways.

At the end of the day the game is going to keep looking to expand its existing revenue streams in terms of sponsorship and advertising and TV money. All those guys are willing to pay more but they expect more for it. That's the commercial world. There's no such thing as a free lunch, it's no different to any other industry yet they seem to think they should be when the basic money grabbing principles are exactly the same.

All I'm saying is the players want more and more wages but they keep saying they want less games. If that's truly the case maybe they should get together and propose salary caps that will effectively freeze their salary rises. Maybe they should introduce some kind of nuance to their argument that places them as one of the chief beneficiaries of the sports continued expansion, show an understanding of that fact and then come to the table with a realistic position. At the moment they just cry for less games but have their agents and themselves taking every pot of gold on offer. Not going to happen.
 
TheRedHearted said:
rotation is smart but you’re not gonna play half your starters and half squad if you really want to win the game. As for contracts, yeah they’ll get the best deal but the increase in schedule plus the modern pressing game takes a toll on all of them.

That’s not where the time goes though, it’s smaller things that add up.

Steadily reduced by how much? Is there a study for it? How much shorter are games now?

the game is increasingly more demanding now, the modern pressing game is way more demanding.
Playing a game and getting into that gear is demanding, whether or 70 or 100 minutes, it takes that toll and rest time needed is the same - is it not?
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Yes, the ball in play time has been shown to be as low as 54 minutes and is showing a decreasing trend. Last season was the worst on record for actual game time.

Basically the ball is spending nearly half the game dead. Which means the players themselves are spending half the game not doing a huge amount.

Time wasting is ruining the game, the sooner the players cut it out, the sooner the injury time goes back to 'normal' conditions.
 
Varane complaining about playing too many games???...maybe he should leave that for his Captain to make comment as it would carry more weight
 
So that means Lindelof-Martinez partnership? I really love Martinez but with his height and the lack of agression from Miss Sweden we will have problems.
 
Ludens the Red said:
Without the Pl, broadcasters etc the players don’t get the wages they’ve been getting. They’re all apart of the same puzzle with equal responsibility for the state the game is currently in.
And yes, yes they would. Kits and tickets would be a lot cheaper because they literally were. And the lower down the pyramid you go, the cheaper it is to see your team and buy mechandise.
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:lol: I think you massively underestimated the greediness of the owners.
If you think Glazers would lower the ticket prices because they can pay Varane say 50kpw then you're fooling yourself.
 
duffer said:
And now that they've said they will, the players are moaning.
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They should be implementing the rules by brandishing yellows (and 2nd yellows) religiously. It would then naturally stop.

For what it's worth I like the added time rule but it shouldn't need to happen if the refs dealt with it in the first place
 
I'm totally in favour of more stoppage time as the solution. Stop clocks would fundamentally change the way the game is played and its lack of transferability jars me, it's not exactly going to work in local Sunday league settings without a massive digital timer stuck on a nearby tree.

And to enforce such a radical transformation of the game all in pursuit of 4 mins of extra in-play when the WC-style stoppage time as a solution averages over 58 mins of in-play seems silly.
 
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