The penalty... Durr
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A penalty for that is just insane. Tame header moving away from goal, from a couple of feet away. A penalty! Almost guaranteed goal. Pellistri was fouled more in the first 4 minutes while trying to tap in and it didnt even get a mention.
It's a handball under the champions league threshold. nothing rigged about it.
There is not just one set of rules, it also depends on how they are interpreted.
In the Champions League these are given, in the Premier League the refs have agreed to give less of these if so close/little time to react.
But yeah this one is really hurt by the playback speed. It looks intentional seeking the ball in slowmo, but natural in normal speed.
In this case I'm pretty sure it's a handball law issue rather than a VAR issue. That's the type of handball call that get's given in the CL, so VAR were probably right to call it, but the actual rules are an ever-changing mess.
Then the rules need to be changed asap. Who can look at that with any common sense and say "yep let's give them a 0.77 xg chance because of that".
Tbis is not correct. I am sure that if you looked hard enough you would find 5 such instances in Europe where this wasn’t given. There is no real law anymore, just whatever the ref feels like
Can you post the threshold so we can see it please if you know it
I'm going to sound like a dinosaur for saying this, but this really is never what this sport was meant to be. Intentionality, reaction time, distance between the players should all matter a hell of a lot more than whether a nothing ball across the box has struck someone's arm at point blank range.
The XG difference between the chance from that situation and the automatic goal you get for a penalty is just way too severe for the sort of foul that that is.
The XG difference between the chance from that situation and the automatic goal you get for a penalty is just way too severe for the sort of foul that that is.
It's a mistake, referee's been told to bring it back to deliberate handball, as the law is written.
No way this is, it's too close and arm doesn't move towards the ball, isn't high.
This is a clear mistake in law and UEFA hopefully admit it as such.
Can't have the CL with different rules to all other football.
If you want an indication of how much the handball rule has changed, I thought the PSG/Dalot one was so wrong at the time. We’ve got to a point where it can be a yard away, not even blocking a shot/pass, and not even an outstretched arm.
They definitely should bring back indirect free-kicks for this type of handball.
It's the same with offsides. The spirit of the law (for lack of a better term) has been totally forgotten.
Offside wasn't brought in to penalise attackers for having a nipple ahead of the last defender, yet here we are.
His hand is outstretched, it's hit his actual hand and it's stopped the ball going into the 6 yard box. Penalty all day
It's not outstretched... It's up but still in his body... it's a natural jumping action.
If it hadn't hit his hand it would have hit his body.
Bayern is awful. 
Good on ref for pushing them with imaginary penalty when they needed it...
Good on ref for pushing them with imaginary penalty when they needed it...To be fair, offsides were brought in exactly for that
The worst thing about this for me is that he didn’t give it and it actually got overturned. Complete mockery.
I promise if you gave an unbiased person who has no interest in the game a look at the Pellistri one & this one then if one had to be a pen then it won’t be the handball
I promise if you gave an unbiased person who has no interest in the game a look at the Pellistri one & this one then if one had to be a pen then it won’t be the handball
This would be so easy to implement as well.
Shots stopped by a hand/arm are penalties, crosses are indirect free kicks.
To me if the on-field referee or linesman didn’t feel that was a penalty why is VAR getting involved. What happened to clear and obvious? That was the whole point of VAR which has been massively lost.
They measure offsides and handballs to the MM but miss clear fouls. I can’t understand how they’re got it so wrong and it’s ruining the game now.
They measure offsides and handballs to the MM but miss clear fouls. I can’t understand how they’re got it so wrong and it’s ruining the game now.
Don’t reason with him, he jumps with his arms at his sides
Excuse me, 6 weeks ago we had a fortunate call in our favour! Red tinted specs or what.
No. The linesmen were always told to favour the attacker when in doubt. VAR invented the toe-nail offside and has ruled out hundreds of goals that nobody would have complained about in the past. Before VAR, common sense was encouraged when refereeing. That's gone now.
For context, this is another handball that got given in the CL but almost certainly wouldn't be in the PL. And generally they're stricter again when the arm is high.
Once Eriksen had his arm near shoulder height and touched it it was always likely to be given. Have stupid rules, get stupid results.
Which call?
No, offsides were brought in to align the sport with rugby. It was an offence to play the ball forward never mind favouring the attacker.
Offsides never favoured the attacker. They always looked for close offsides and ended up guessing so many times when they weren’t sure
His arm wasn’t near shoulder height?
For context, this is another handball that got given in the CL but almost certainly wouldn't be in the PL. And generally they're stricter again when the arm is high.
Once Eriksen had his arm near shoulder height and touched it it was always likely to be given. Have stupid rules, get stupid results.
Outstretched? Kim has his right arm in exactly the same position behind him too, because that’s how people run
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Onana v Wolves. You know I was being sarcastic.
The Dortmund one was ridiculous as well, the rule is fecked if it leads to those decisions.
Eriksen? Yes it was:
For the purposes of the handball, that's around shoulder height.
Soft but these get given, his arm was way far out
No they weren't. Offsides, initially, were called very similarly to how they are in rugby, and were a hangover of the pre-codified games that eventually became football as we know it now. Pretty much every single revision has been to provide advantage to the attacking player.
The spirit of the offside law has always been about preventing unfair territorial advantage to the attacking team, but, importantly, without unduly penalising them. These ridiculous bootlace VAR calls seem to have forgotten that last part.
That free kick by the touchline where we supposedly got an advantage was another hilariously bad call from the ref Martial was fouled almost inside the box and he gives the advantage foul out wide instead.
Martial was fouled almost inside the box and he gives the advantage foul out wide instead.It wasn’t a hangover, offsides were literally a lot tougher than this and that’s what I’m arguing against when people claim offsides were never brought in for this. They were and it was a lot stricter and advantage to the attacker was never a rule. They even altered the rule to have three players between the attacker and goal for it to be onside! Up until 1990 an attacker was offside when he was level with the defender, in our lifetime the rule was still you had to be behind the defender!
I understand the frustrations and I have them as well but in an era where an attacker isn’t flagged for offside when he’s on is a huge plus for the sport.
München was better team but referee and VAR won it.
We are really being bullied. Now both in Premier League and Champions League.
We are really being bullied. Now both in Premier League and Champions League.
Should never allow a referee from a league without VAR to referee in a CL game tbh, he has no bottle or experience in using it.
It wasn't at all, it was brought into stop goal hanging not to rule out perfectly good goals because at the point the pass was played the scorer's knee was 3mm offside.
What exactly was VAR looking at for so long on Casemiro's 2nd goal? The replay showed there was a defender stood ahead of him on the goalline and the keeper was clearly ahead of him as well.